KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

It seems a good percentage of the threads on this board are "what if?" or regret threads. Unless we are going to ban these threads (I'm okay with that) countering the premise that Obi is a bust and we should have taken Halliburton with we likely wouldn't have then taken IQ seems fair enough. And then to compare the two rookie guards. That's what we do here right?

IDK I'm too busy making plans with Rebecca for tomorrow night

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

It seems a good percentage of the threads on this board are "what if?" or regret threads. Unless we are going to ban these threads (I'm okay with that) countering the premise that Obi is a bust and we should have taken Halliburton with we likely wouldn't have then taken IQ seems fair enough. And then to compare the two rookie guards. That's what we do here right?

IDK I'm too busy making plans with Rebecca for tomorrow night

Damn -- I gotta get me a new pretend girlfriend!

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

It seems a good percentage of the threads on this board are "what if?" or regret threads. Unless we are going to ban these threads (I'm okay with that) countering the premise that Obi is a bust and we should have taken Halliburton with we likely wouldn't have then taken IQ seems fair enough. And then to compare the two rookie guards. That's what we do here right?

What if Quickley was averaging almost as many points as Halliburton despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts?

Oh wait, that’s actually currently happening

I just dont get it. Your comparison of 2 players, one bench one starting, is limited to and defined by Points Scored?

Luka – 22
Zion – 20
LaMelo – 19
Mitchell – 24
Tatum – 23
Fox -23
MPJ - 23
Booker – 24
Bam – 23
SGA – 22
Ingram – 23
Collins – 23
J. Allen -23

If the Knicks could sign Allen and Lonzo in the offseason and flip 4 first round picks, toppin, quickly, mitch for Bradley Beal would you do it?

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

It seems a good percentage of the threads on this board are "what if?" or regret threads. Unless we are going to ban these threads (I'm okay with that) countering the premise that Obi is a bust and we should have taken Halliburton with we likely wouldn't have then taken IQ seems fair enough. And then to compare the two rookie guards. That's what we do here right?

What if Quickley was averaging almost as many points as Halliburton despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts?

Oh wait, that’s actually currently happening

I just dont get it. Your comparison of 2 players, one bench one starting, is limited to and defined by Points Scored?

While Haliburton has a better shooting percentage and is higher in assists per - they are fairly close in a number of per 36 / per 100 stats including TS% and scoring. Also, the starting vs. bench is a BS argument when Haliburton has only become a starter over the past 11-12 games and is alongside Fox who garners much of the defensive focus.

Points per 36 - IQ (22.2) / TH (15.5)

Points per 100 possessions - IQ (30.8) / TH (20.7)

Free Throw % - IQ (89.4) / TH (87.5)

TS% : IQ (54.3%) / TH (59.9%)

MS wrote:Just to put something in context. If you're not producing at 23 years old it's troubling. Below are some of the NBA's best young talent, as ranked by ESPN.

Luka – 22
Zion – 20
LaMelo – 19
Mitchell – 24
Tatum – 23
Fox -23
MPJ - 23
Booker – 24
Bam – 23
SGA – 22
Ingram – 23
Collins – 23
J. Allen -23

If the Knicks could sign Allen and Lonzo in the offseason and flip 4 first round picks, toppin, quickly, mitch for Bradley Beal would you do it?

And Obi has been playing better in recent games. He’s stuck behind Randle who plays 40 minutes per game once Randle is eventually traded Obi will do well as the new full time PF

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

It seems a good percentage of the threads on this board are "what if?" or regret threads. Unless we are going to ban these threads (I'm okay with that) countering the premise that Obi is a bust and we should have taken Halliburton with we likely wouldn't have then taken IQ seems fair enough. And then to compare the two rookie guards. That's what we do here right?

What if Quickley was averaging almost as many points as Halliburton despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts?

Oh wait, that’s actually currently happening

I just dont get it. Your comparison of 2 players, one bench one starting, is limited to and defined by Points Scored?

Points scored is an accepted metric yes. Quickley has also been a good defender and facilitator

For middle schoolers?

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:This is all time machine stuff, which means projecting ahead as well as reconsidering. But looking back, I think it is very unlikely we would have picked Quickley later if we had chosen Hali or another PG at 8. So a question for me would be would you prefer Obi and IQ or Halliburton and...?

This is a very good point. Especially given that IQ is not all that far behind Hali. Almost the same point average at 2/3 of Hali's playing time. Hali a better 3pt shooter right now and assists-man, but then Sancto probably trusts him more with the ball and runs plays for him.

And we can't know what Halliburton's development would be here. He might be getting Obi's minutes -- or less.

We don’t draft Quickley if we take Halliburton at 8. Both are combo guards and Quickley > Halliburton

How? Seems like Hali is more than holding his own and doing it better than IQ

Quickley is averaging almost as much ppg (12.3 for Quick versus 13.1 for Halliburton) despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts and plays 35-40 minutes per game

Do you want to try again or is just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it turns out right is good enough?

35-40 minutes per game... I mean at this rate I'm just banging Rebecca every night and we'll just call that a thing

It seems a good percentage of the threads on this board are "what if?" or regret threads. Unless we are going to ban these threads (I'm okay with that) countering the premise that Obi is a bust and we should have taken Halliburton with we likely wouldn't have then taken IQ seems fair enough. And then to compare the two rookie guards. That's what we do here right?

What if Quickley was averaging almost as many points as Halliburton despite coming off the bench while Halliburton starts?

Oh wait, that’s actually currently happening

I just dont get it. Your comparison of 2 players, one bench one starting, is limited to and defined by Points Scored?

While Haliburton has a better shooting percentage and is higher in assists per - they are fairly close in a number of per 36 / per 100 stats including TS% and scoring. Also, the starting vs. bench is a BS argument when Haliburton has only become a starter over the past 11-12 games and is alongside Fox who garners much of the defensive focus.

Points per 36 - IQ (22.2) / TH (15.5)

Points per 100 possessions - IQ (30.8) / TH (20.7)

Free Throw % - IQ (89.4) / TH (87.5)

TS% : IQ (54.3%) / TH (59.9%)

Bro that efficiency disparity lol. Not to mention Hali is the far better passer.