ESOMKnicks wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think randle is in the best shape of his life and it’s showing...also I think we finally have a great coaching staff that puts players in there comfort zones for success.

No way should we trade randle if he keeps playing this good, he’s playing like a super star something we’ve been needing for years

If he keeps up this level of play he is worth way more than a FRP. This year he is said to display leadership qualities and that's worth more to this team than another FRP

Randle is a 20-10 guy and maybe the best player on a miserable team. But I do not see him as a transformational superstar of a Karl Malone or Charles Barkley caliber. His absolute ceiling is a Kevin Love. And Love still needs LeBron to win a championship. Whereas LeBron does not need Love to win a championship.

I see any one of the Cade-Suggs-Mobley trio as a transformational superstar, so I think anything that increases our chances of getting one of them must be done. Marcus Morris is also an awesome player, but we did well by trading him for a late first rounder.

Sure, a couple may be superstars? We don't exactly have the best draft luck? Have you seen the many present/former players we have/had? Most drafted top 10? So...not exactly a sure thing.

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think randle is in the best shape of his life and it’s showing...also I think we finally have a great coaching staff that puts players in there comfort zones for success.

No way should we trade randle if he keeps playing this good, he’s playing like a super star something we’ve been needing for years

If he keeps up this level of play he is worth way more than a FRP. This year he is said to display leadership qualities and that's worth more to this team than another FRP

Randle is a 20-10 guy and maybe the best player on a miserable team. But I do not see him as a transformational superstar of a Karl Malone or Charles Barkley caliber. His absolute ceiling is a Kevin Love. And Love still needs LeBron to win a championship. Whereas LeBron does not need Love to win a championship.

I see any one of the Cade-Suggs-Mobley trio as a transformational superstar, so I think anything that increases our chances of getting one of them must be done. Marcus Morris is also an awesome player, but we did well by trading him for a late first rounder.

Sure, a couple may be superstars? We don't exactly have the best draft luck? Have you seen the many present/former players we have/had? Most drafted top 10? So...not exactly a sure thing.

If we do trade Randle this year I want at least a couple first round picks for him

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think randle is in the best shape of his life and it’s showing...also I think we finally have a great coaching staff that puts players in there comfort zones for success.

No way should we trade randle if he keeps playing this good, he’s playing like a super star something we’ve been needing for years

If he keeps up this level of play he is worth way more than a FRP. This year he is said to display leadership qualities and that's worth more to this team than another FRP

Randle is a 20-10 guy and maybe the best player on a miserable team. But I do not see him as a transformational superstar of a Karl Malone or Charles Barkley caliber. His absolute ceiling is a Kevin Love. And Love still needs LeBron to win a championship. Whereas LeBron does not need Love to win a championship.

I see any one of the Cade-Suggs-Mobley trio as a transformational superstar, so I think anything that increases our chances of getting one of them must be done. Marcus Morris is also an awesome player, but we did well by trading him for a late first rounder.

Sure, a couple may be superstars? We don't exactly have the best draft luck? Have you seen the many present/former players we have/had? Most drafted top 10? So...not exactly a sure thing.

If we do trade Randle this year I want at least a couple first round picks for him

Why stop there?
Might want to consider what else comes back as a team that gives us 2 or 3 picks, will have to likely give us salary to match. Details-details!!

Is Randle worth more than Morris? Perhaps.
Randle puts up these numbers as the no. 1 option as the point forward. Not many teams will give him the ball like that.

I credit Thibs. He goes to cupboard and pulls out what he has and using it well. Using Randle in this manner is not always pretty but its the best we got FOR NOW.
for Randle to make this work Knox and others have to hit the open looks they get for him. Pretty obvious how he gets his Assists. But also consider how others are cutting to the basket and he is finding them.
Obi might not be playing but he is learning. Same for Quickly.

Knixkik wrote:I personally think one thing that isn't discussed is Randle is a better player without competing with Morris for touches. Morris was good here, but he's a 4 that was playing the 3 and operating in the same space a lot of the time as Randle. It forced Randle to have to do other things and create from spots outside of his comfort zone. They were a bad pairing, and starting them together was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Having Barrett play more of the 3 and having a pure shooting guard makes for significantly better balance in the lineup. Even after Morris was traded, replacing him in the lineup with Harkless wasn't ideal. Now you have Randle working in more open space, and better off-ball movement around him, something Morris was not good at. Barrett is a good off-ball cutter and works from different areas than Randle when the ball is in his hands, so their pairing is more fluid. And having Bullock or Burks at SG gives better spacing. The last piece is replacing Payton with a shooter/ball mover (hopefully Quickley) and that's a line-up that makes sense.

Go back and look at Randles stats, he kept getting better and better every yr until last yr.

You have to respect and love players who practice hard and put that work in to get better, he did that BIG TIME.

That's Leadership, and he is filling a Void since Jason Kidd

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I personally think one thing that isn't discussed is Randle is a better player without competing with Morris for touches. Morris was good here, but he's a 4 that was playing the 3 and operating in the same space a lot of the time as Randle. It forced Randle to have to do other things and create from spots outside of his comfort zone. They were a bad pairing, and starting them together was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Having Barrett play more of the 3 and having a pure shooting guard makes for significantly better balance in the lineup. Even after Morris was traded, replacing him in the lineup with Harkless wasn't ideal. Now you have Randle working in more open space, and better off-ball movement around him, something Morris was not good at. Barrett is a good off-ball cutter and works from different areas than Randle when the ball is in his hands, so their pairing is more fluid. And having Bullock or Burks at SG gives better spacing. The last piece is replacing Payton with a shooter/ball mover (hopefully Quickley) and that's a line-up that makes sense.

Go back and look at Randles stats, he kept getting better and better every yr until last yr.

You have to respect and love players who practice hard and put that work in to get better, he did that BIG TIME.

That's Leadership, and he is filling a Void since Jason Kidd

One thing that seems to never be in question is Randle's work ethic and commitment. Leadership was an issue last year but he was still only 25 and appears to have had a funny dynamic with Marcus Morris, who was older, more focal, played the same position, and mostly demanding the ball in the same areas of the court. I think Randle now being the oldest of the best players, is taking the leadership role he needed to.

martin wrote:The best part: Obi now has 2 years to grow at the pace he will set for himself and not be thrust into limelight because of draft position and expectations

Very true. And he can still get starter's minutes off the bench so it's not like his opportunities will be blocked.