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12/16/2020  11:55 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Frank gets the minutes some of you want. And he still cant crack double digits on ppg. Will you still believe in year 4 that Frank is a starting PG?
Not sure about anyone else but I analyze positions by team construction. Are we building the team where the PG is the top scorer? Do you want him to be a game manager?

The way we have our team built, we are not a PG driven offense. We need a PG that will make the right play and move the chess pieces to the right positions. He also needs to be able to defend and rebound.

Now, if frank starts. The offense moves and we get open shots then I would say that is a success. What I do look for him in the offense is take the shots when you are open. If there is a better shot then pass the ball. I want him to penetrate when it is there. Right now our players looks confused on offense. Very Fiz like

Camp opened last Sunday, and they played their first game 4 days later. Most players and indicated that the main focus has been on the defensive end and it showed...Any confusion on the offensive end is due to the lack of practice and emphasis at this point on the offensive scheme's etc....Give it some time.

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12/16/2020  11:56 AM
Very Fiz like because one week of practice and two preseason games with no summer league.
They should look disorganized because they are.
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12/16/2020  1:03 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Frank gets the minutes some of you want. And he still cant crack double digits on ppg. Will you still believe in year 4 that Frank is a starting PG?
Not sure about anyone else but I analyze positions by team construction. Are we building the team where the PG is the top scorer? Do you want him to be a game manager?

The way we have our team built, we are not a PG driven offense. We need a PG that will make the right play and move the chess pieces to the right positions. He also needs to be able to defend and rebound.

Now, if frank starts. The offense moves and we get open shots then I would say that is a success. What I do look for him in the offense is take the shots when you are open. If there is a better shot then pass the ball. I want him to penetrate when it is there. Right now our players looks confused on offense. Very Fiz like

You hit the nail on the head. Seth Curry isn’t going to run an offense as a lead guard. His skill set will always be to drain 3s. He will line up between PG & SG but he will always be asked to mostly just hit 3s while always finding himself paired with a Luka and Simmons etc as a floor spacer. Kind of similar to Horry always being signed to space the floor for a Hakaeem, Shaq, Duncan. Horry lined up at PF but he wasn’t playing the position like Oakley did. Successful teams matchup skill sets not pigeon hold players due to expectations of a position. Also what would matter more than Frank’s ppl would be his efficiency. If his efficiency is high then that will have his teammates confident to find him. But his efficiency should come from within the flow of an offense of unselfish play. Not him tryna jock for his.

Our offense def hasn’t shown to be PG driven. Randle and Barrett will hold most of the usage. Noel, Randle, Barrett like to operate within the paint and shooting 3s isn’t their preference. Gs who are really the 3rd-4th option after those 2 aren’t really working with space to be a drive and kick type of player. And if we did change the offense up for more spacing to promote PGs to penetrate consistently. Would be making RJ and Randle sacrifice their games.

To me it looks like we just collected former lottery picks. And are then putting it all on Thibs to make it all work. Rather than have come up with an actual structure, plan, role for the players when signing. With RJ & Randle. Burks, Forbs, Baynes would have been the pickups if they were focusing on balance. Smith, Frank, Knox, Obi, Mitch could have ran the 2nd unit. And they could have made decision on them from their but it would be clean with clear cut roles and mins distribution. If Quickley beat out Smith or Frank than so be it. And I like Noel as a player nothing against him. But balance wise pair with Randle and RJ. Baynes a way better fit.

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12/16/2020  1:18 PM
Philc1 wrote:I keep hearing Ntilikina can't shoot. The guy is Steph Curry as a shooter compared to Elfrid Payton and his 20% 3pt and DSJ and his 29% 3pt FG.

Frank is an excellent defender. DSJ and Payton can't guard me. Enough of this stupidity already is Isiah back to running things again?

Your thread says it all. "Start Frank please". In that first game we saw how well the second unit played defensively spearheaded by - of course Frank's defense.

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12/16/2020  1:42 PM
If the second unit comprises of Mitch, Obi, Knox, I'd want Frank with them. Keep the young guys on the same rotation together. Who cares who starts with Randle, Noel, Burks
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12/16/2020  1:54 PM
Immanuel Quickley should be playing with that unit because he brings the shooting the Knicks need. He is also supposed to be a good defender. I'm a little underwhelmed by the pick so I haven't been motivated to look at videos of him. But if the shooting and defense is as legit as people say he should definitely get a chance to play with at least the second unit.
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12/16/2020  2:13 PM
awe1028 wrote:Immanuel Quickley should be playing with that unit because he brings the shooting the Knicks need. He is also supposed to be a good defender. I'm a little underwhelmed by the pick so I haven't been motivated to look at videos of him. But if the shooting and defense is as legit as people say he should definitely get a chance to play with at least the second unit.

So your decision would be to just sit DSJr? You just can't do that in preseason situation.

Things will unfold and then Quickley will get time

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12/16/2020  4:47 PM
awe1028 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I keep hearing Ntilikina can't shoot. The guy is Steph Curry as a shooter compared to Elfrid Payton and his 20% 3pt and DSJ and his 29% 3pt FG.

Frank is an excellent defender. DSJ and Payton can't guard me. Enough of this stupidity already is Isiah back to running things again?

Your thread says it all. "Start Frank please". In that first game we saw how well the second unit played defensively spearheaded by - of course Frank's defense.


Kncks won that first preseason game when the team pulled away in the 3rd qtr with Frank as the PG on the floor. What does Thibs do? Gives Frank less playing time the second preseason which they ofcourse lose.

Just sick and tired of this nonsense.

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12/16/2020  4:48 PM
awe1028 wrote:Immanuel Quickley should be playing with that unit because he brings the shooting the Knicks need. He is also supposed to be a good defender. I'm a little underwhelmed by the pick so I haven't been motivated to look at videos of him. But if the shooting and defense is as legit as people say he should definitely get a chance to play with at least the second unit.

I know it's a small sample but I loved Quickley's aggressiveness on O. Everyone else on the team in the second preseason game seemed scared to take a shot.

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12/16/2020  5:43 PM
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ramtour420 wrote:This season Frank is shooting 66% on his 3's.
I know it's a small sample size, only 2of3.
Let's see if he will find some degree of consistency.
Someone looks like he's been practicing his shot.

If Frank continues to improve he realistically will be able to shoot 35-37% from 3 which is what we need


Payton (20% from 3) and DSJ (29%] are a horror show from 3

You can say the same thing about peyton and RJ..

Remember all the 3's we saw mitch shooting in that clip...hahaha, hasn't even attempted one much less make one

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12/16/2020  7:52 PM
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Philc1 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:This season Frank is shooting 66% on his 3's.
I know it's a small sample size, only 2of3.
Let's see if he will find some degree of consistency.
Someone looks like he's been practicing his shot.

If Frank continues to improve he realistically will be able to shoot 35-37% from 3 which is what we need


Payton (20% from 3) and DSJ (29%] are a horror show from 3

You can say the same thing about peyton and RJ..

Remember all the 3's we saw mitch shooting in that clip...hahaha, hasn't even attempted one much less make one

Look we know your feelings on Mitch and Frank and not wanting them here For a while now. Honestly I don’t know what the future holds for either here but I’m excited to see them both under Thibs this year
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12/17/2020  3:37 AM
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Philc1 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:This season Frank is shooting 66% on his 3's.
I know it's a small sample size, only 2of3.
Let's see if he will find some degree of consistency.
Someone looks like he's been practicing his shot.

If Frank continues to improve he realistically will be able to shoot 35-37% from 3 which is what we need


Payton (20% from 3) and DSJ (29%] are a horror show from 3

You can say the same thing about peyton and RJ..

Remember all the 3's we saw mitch shooting in that clip...hahaha, hasn't even attempted one much less make one

You’re comparing one video taken at a gym of Mitch shooting to regular season in game stats


Payton is hot garbage btw. Last night’s game is clear evidence that clown shouldn’t even be in the rotation

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12/22/2020  1:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2020  1:43 AM
Oh man, did I read that correctly? Frank did not receive a rookie contract extension? Meaning he is gonna become a restricted free agent this summer. We could have locked him up for much lower than his projected worth in the future. I think he will be able to get a much better contact after having played for Thibs in his system. I just hope it's us who gives him that contract.
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12/22/2020  1:43 AM
First KP no extension, now Frank?
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12/22/2020  2:48 AM
ramtour420 wrote:First KP no extension, now Frank?

It's over. I wish Frank and DSJ luck on their next destinations. Frank had the misfortune of being drafted into dysfunction. He also has to realize that he needs to be more aggressive if he wants to stick in the NBA. If this doesn't wake him up, then nothing will.

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12/22/2020  4:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2020  4:17 AM
The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.
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12/22/2020  6:18 AM
Not shocked that the real GM Isiah has officially given up on Frank. He never liked him. Frank was a Phil pick and relegated to nothing after Phil left.
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12/22/2020  6:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2020  6:28 AM
TheGame wrote:The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.

The question is whether Frank was willing to accept a 3-year extension at $5m per. Chances are, he and his agent feel he would be worth more on the open market given the recent mammoth deals league teams have been handing out.

I feel there is a certain group of team owners who are acting out of the worst type of moral hazard. They figured they could simply continue to spend away like there is no tomorrow. If league revenues return, they would have already locked up good players. If revenues bomb, they will simply try to re-jig league rules and the CBA to erase the excesses they have themselves created. Just like people who take on mortgages they cannot afford in hopes of a government bailout or debt forgiveness (at the expense of more responsible spenders/borrowers).

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12/22/2020  7:29 AM
ramtour420 wrote:First KP no extension, now Frank?

He will just be a restricted FA. Knicks can decide if they want to match or if they want to let him walk depending on the season he has.

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12/22/2020  7:51 AM
We don’t know the tone or the content of conversation between knicks and Frank. ITs entirely possible they let him set his market price and then the option to match it.
Its also possible he and his agent wanted the flexibility to either get paid or go where there are minutes for him. That might be back in Europe also.
He also can see how things unfold and how we draft before being a free agent.
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