GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nothing to go back and forth about. You're saying that Smith is a ball hog. No basis in fact.

I think people use the the words ball dominant and selfish interchangeably. That's not always the case. Both Melo and Chris Paul pound the air out of the ball, but nobody accuses Paul of being selfish. DSJ does pound the hell out of the ball and is a willing passer. The problem is that he doesn't recognize reads or see the floor as well as he needs to. You can make up for that when you can penetrate at will, but DSJ couldn't do that last year. He becomes useless if he loses a step due to his lack of J. I'm hoping for a bounce. We need as much talent as possible.

Smith jr. has enough work to do on his game without assigning flaws he doesnt have. Marbury as a Knick was ball dominant. He would pound the rock for most of the shot clock, and give the ball up, if he didnt have the lane.

Smith jr gives up the ball early in the shot clock. Keeps the ball moving. Where he goes wrong most often. What makes him cough up the ball, more often than not. Is when DSJr takes it to the rim, in transition, or halfcourt set. And is met by one or two defenders, he too often coughed up the ball instead of a reset. Thats a long way from dominating the ball.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nothing to go back and forth about. You're saying that Smith is a ball hog. No basis in fact.

I think people use the the words ball dominant and selfish interchangeably. That's not always the case. Both Melo and Chris Paul pound the air out of the ball, but nobody accuses Paul of being selfish. DSJ does pound the hell out of the ball and is a willing passer. The problem is that he doesn't recognize reads or see the floor as well as he needs to. You can make up for that when you can penetrate at will, but DSJ couldn't do that last year. He becomes useless if he loses a step due to his lack of J. I'm hoping for a bounce. We need as much talent as possible.

Smith jr. has enough work to do on his game without assigning flaws he doesnt have. Marbury as a Knick was ball dominant. He would pound the rock for most of the shot clock, and give the ball up, if he didnt have the lane.

Smith jr gives up the ball early in the shot clock. Keeps the ball moving. Where he goes wrong most often. What makes him cough up the ball, more often than not. Is when DSJr takes it to the rim, in transition, or halfcourt set. And is met by one or two defenders, he too often coughed up the ball instead of a reset. Thats a long way from dominating the ball.

DSJs Usage Rate this season is a little less than Marbury's when he was a Knick. DSJ was 23% and Marbury's range from about 26% to 20% (the 26% happened during the trade season). It was also higher than Elfrid Paytons. We can argue about what constitutes ball hogging, but one thing is clear. This season, DSJ held onto the ball more than his production of warranted. Does that make him selfiah? I don't think he's anymore selfish than say, Trae Young or Ja Morant. He just had a way crappie season. Again, I'm hoping he bounces back because this team needs as much talent as possible.

DSJ is a ball hog. there's no fair debate about it. He also sulks

he did try and change his ways and frankly to some degree he suffered for it because CS got in his head not in a good way, I think the situation got all out of whack

He should be attacking the rim, and lobbing or dumping if they collapse on him. trying to make him some razzle dazzle Magic Johnson with a 3 pt shot to boot was a horrible experiment.

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote: Just do not think the 34 games, injury plagued year and emotional issues can change the fact that Smith put up very good numbers as a rookie and second year player. It does not change that he is just 22 and is incredibly athletic. But most of all, just feel that it is hasty and shortsighted to trade him for scraps.

My first training camp, there was a guy who was undrafted and he was a four year college starter. He got in 2 preseason games and had a total of 11 snaps. That was all the opportunity he had. A few years later, a guy was on the verge of getting cut, but he recovered a fumble in a preseason game. Saved him just long enough to where another guy in his positional unit got injured. He made the roster and only played that year. But you could argue without getting that fumbled ball, he never would have been in a position to be "next man up"

I think the problem with guys like Smith Jr is he plays like opportunity will always be there. First round picks get two guaranteed years and it's pretty rare for teams not to pick up their 3rd and 4th year options. As much as some fans hate Patrick Beverley, the guy plays like he knows if he ****s up, he's gonna get cut.

Everyone has to overcome something. He acts like a guy who believes there will always be another chance waiting somewhere.

Something Steve Nash said about Jeremy Lin. That the guy worked relentlessly until he got his one chance , then he exploded. He knew he was right at the end of the line and this was it. He made it so the team couldn't take him off the floor.

Does DSJr play with that kind of urgency? Like he needs to die on the floor or he will starve the rest of his life? Then **** him. We all love the Knicks and we all want him to succeed but if he can't honor the jersey by giving that much of himself, then **** him. You want your dick sucked like an All Star? Then produce like an All Star. Champions see tragedy as rocket fuel.

If the Knicks could trade him now for anything, they would. They are stuck with him because they have no choice but to pay him and no one else wants him and the roster is so barren he's better than nothing.

IMO, your post further illustrates my opinion of a skewed view of Smith which is mostly based on personal belief and emotion. As a former athlete, I agree with you that the effort level given at the pro level should always be 100%. And agree that is upsetting when pro players fail to do so. But to be fair, that is the case with about half the NBA. And I can argue that this was not the norm for Smith. However, it still fails to justify trading a 22 year old, former lottery pick and athletic phenom who put up the type numbers Smith did. Which points to the contrary in terms of the effort level and hard work needed to achieve such results.

Your example of Jeremy Lin raises another point. Effort level is great but you know quite well, effort level and motor are not the main metric used to predict success. Not too many GM's are out there picking the 6 foot slow guy who has a great motor over a kid that has a 40+ vert and can run a 4.5 40. Point is, physical ability is usually a bigger metric for the probability of success. Which btw goes up dramatically when that kid with great physical attributes goes on to put up very good numbers his first 2 years of pro ball. Maybe you would have enjoyed Lin on the team the last 10 years but his level of ability was a very good indicator that he would just be ordinary.

Again, I get the whole we like guys to hustle and play good defense, but I thought we were discussing what a professional front office should or will do? Believe they (Knicks) will/should make moves based on facts and stats. The facts/stats favor keeping Smith. Facts are that he had injuries and personal issues during his 34 game season last year. Has exceptional athletic ability and put up 2 years of strong numbers at 20 and 21. Is at his lowest value in 3 years. All pointing to the value of giving him a chance this year. But fair enough, everyone has a right to their opinion. You don;t like him. I hope that who ever gets the minutes next year at PG has a good year.

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:IMO, your post further illustrates my opinion of a skewed view of Smith which is mostly based on personal belief and emotion. .... The facts/stats favor keeping Smith. Facts are that he had injuries and personal issues during his 34 game season last year. Has exceptional athletic ability and put up 2 years of strong numbers at 20 and 21. Is at his lowest value in 3 years. All pointing to the value of giving him a chance this year.

Dennis Smith Jr. only averaged 15.8 minutes in his 34 games played. He averaged only 5.5 points per game and had a putrid 2.9/1.7 assist to turnover ratio. After an offseason where it was widely circulated that he fixed his jump shot, he shot only 34% from the field, 29.6% from behind the three point line, and 50.9% from the free throw line. Every single one of those numbers were career lows.

Smith also had the worst Net Rating on the Knicks, and one of the worst in the entire NBA at -17.1. The team was an amazing 13 points better per 100 possessions better when he was on the bench.

New York is allowing 119 points per 100 possessions in the 26 minutes Dennis Smith Jr. has logged this season.

Somehow, the numbers are worse offensively. NY is scoring just 74.1 points per 100 possessions with DSJ on the court.

That’s a mind-bogglingly bad Net Rating of -44.8

The Dallas Mavericks have been plagued with recent rumors regarding second-year point guard Dennis Smith Jr., who has reportedly been on the trade block after proving to be a poor fit next to rookie phenom Luka Doncic. Smith allegedly has had an ongoing rift with head coach Rick Carlisle, one that has been viewed as palpable by those around the organization.

“There might be a situation where DSJ and Carlisle have to shake hands and move on, at least for the rest of the season… I do believe that Rick would be willing to do that. I don’t know, at this point, and honestly the communication from his camp has been nonexistent.”

“Hold yourself responsible for a higher standard than anyone else expects of you. Never excuse yourself.” ―Henry Ward Beecher

“Never make excuses. Your friends don’t need them and your foes won’t believe them.” ―John Wooden

Long response in order to address points we are in agreement of. One of which was that Smith had a terrible 34 GAME season. Another which was how badly Smith handled the Luca drafting and the Mavs going in a different direction. The story posted with the words "Allegedly" sure prove that to be true.

All still not addressing my main point. WHY the URGENCY to trade Smith? I have seen many of your posts in the past which try to have a GM/FO perspective. Yet you are arguing that it is wise to trade Smith for scraps right now? Despite being a former lottery pick who had decent numbers his first two years? Despite having his lowest trade value due to the aforementioned terrible 34 game season? Question a move that trades a main asset garnished via the KP trade for a low return? Why? Is he making too much salary? Are we looking to clear cap space? Is he part of a beneficial trade? Is it because we have no room on this roster filled with talented PG's? Or perhaps it is his inability to get along with the coaching staff during his stint here as a Knick?

Btw, in terms of excuses, to fit along with your many fine quotes, can you post up Frank's first three years of stats? Then get back to me with yours on why he has not been traded? My vote is that we keep all of our current assets and let things play out. Roll the ball out and let the best player win. We have plenty of time and several players we can move if they do not pan out.

fwk00 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote: Just do not think the 34 games, injury plagued year and emotional issues can change the fact that Smith put up very good numbers as a rookie and second year player. It does not change that he is just 22 and is incredibly athletic. But most of all, just feel that it is hasty and shortsighted to trade him for scraps.

My first training camp, there was a guy who was undrafted and he was a four year college starter. He got in 2 preseason games and had a total of 11 snaps. That was all the opportunity he had. A few years later, a guy was on the verge of getting cut, but he recovered a fumble in a preseason game. Saved him just long enough to where another guy in his positional unit got injured. He made the roster and only played that year. But you could argue without getting that fumbled ball, he never would have been in a position to be "next man up"

I think the problem with guys like Smith Jr is he plays like opportunity will always be there. First round picks get two guaranteed years and it's pretty rare for teams not to pick up their 3rd and 4th year options. As much as some fans hate Patrick Beverley, the guy plays like he knows if he ****s up, he's gonna get cut.

Everyone has to overcome something. He acts like a guy who believes there will always be another chance waiting somewhere.

Something Steve Nash said about Jeremy Lin. That the guy worked relentlessly until he got his one chance , then he exploded. He knew he was right at the end of the line and this was it. He made it so the team couldn't take him off the floor.

Does DSJr play with that kind of urgency? Like he needs to die on the floor or he will starve the rest of his life? Then **** him. We all love the Knicks and we all want him to succeed but if he can't honor the jersey by giving that much of himself, then **** him. You want your dick sucked like an All Star? Then produce like an All Star. Champions see tragedy as rocket fuel.

If the Knicks could trade him now for anything, they would. They are stuck with him because they have no choice but to pay him and no one else wants him and the roster is so barren he's better than nothing.

IMO, your post further illustrates my opinion of a skewed view of Smith which is mostly based on personal belief and emotion. As a former athlete, I agree with you that the effort level given at the pro level should always be 100%. And agree that is upsetting when pro players fail to do so. But to be fair, that is the case with about half the NBA. And I can argue that this was not the norm for Smith. However, it still fails to justify trading a 22 year old, former lottery pick and athletic phenom who put up the type numbers Smith did. Which points to the contrary in terms of the effort level and hard work needed to achieve such results.

Your example of Jeremy Lin raises another point. Effort level is great but you know quite well, effort level and motor are not the main metric used to predict success. Not too many GM's are out there picking the 6 foot slow guy who has a great motor over a kid that has a 40+ vert and can run a 4.5 40. Point is, physical ability is usually a bigger metric for the probability of success. Which btw goes up dramatically when that kid with great physical attributes goes on to put up very good numbers his first 2 years of pro ball. Maybe you would have enjoyed Lin on the team the last 10 years but his level of ability was a very good indicator that he would just be ordinary.

Again, I get the whole we like guys to hustle and play good defense, but I thought we were discussing what a professional front office should or will do? Believe they (Knicks) will/should make moves based on facts and stats. The facts/stats favor keeping Smith. Facts are that he had injuries and personal issues during his 34 game season last year. Has exceptional athletic ability and put up 2 years of strong numbers at 20 and 21. Is at his lowest value in 3 years. All pointing to the value of giving him a chance this year. But fair enough, everyone has a right to their opinion. You don;t like him. I hope that who ever gets the minutes next year at PG has a good year.

They do? I don't see that at all. DSJr has zero motor, very low IQ, zero PG skills. Exceptional athletic ability with a bad back and a history of not learning on the job would mean a jettison IMO.

He has had 3 offseasons to work on a shot and his FT% keeps going down every year since college.

My point was that I feel he has more value than trading him for a 2nd rounder. Regardless of the weaknesses you mentioned. Which btw I agree he has. However, despite those weaknesses, you can not take away the success he had in his first two years. You can not take away that he is a former lottery pick with great physical ability and just 22. It would also be a mistake to trade him while his value is this low. Especially considering he was a main piece received from trading our unicorn. Am I saying he is the next Chris Paul and we should keep him at all costs, absolutely not. He will have to prove that he is able to improve his mechanics, is healthy and can fit the role the coaching staff dictates. My point is that there is absolutely no urgency and it is much smarter to let him build up his value. Which you may disagree, was much higher prior to him getting to the Knicks. Or perhaps he plays and builds on his first two years and gives us a viable option at PG. Additionally, there seems to be a double standard where fan favorites possessing the same amount, if not more, of are often given a pass. And players not meeting the preferred eye test are tossed away prematurely or without getting highest and best value for them. I am advocating for making patient and informed decisions and not knee jerk fan ones. Would feel the same if someone was advocating trading Frank for scraps? Who I feel we can up with several stats that can point to limited success and multiple weaknesses.

I look at trading DSJ differently. There are teams who have an albatross contract that they want to unload if only for smaller, more palatable contracts.

Al Horford comes to mind mostly because I think players like Randle, DSJ, and Knox would actually fill out their roster reasonably well given that they need players anyway. I hate sounding too redundant but Thybulle coupled with Horford would make that trade worthwhile IMO. Thybulle a young defense minded SF - Horford useful as C/PF backup.

I hate the second-rounder meme altogether.

Agree. Think viable trades should always be looked at. Which is where you can truly determine value and risk reward of making a move. For me, there is just not much risk keeping Smith and seeing what he can do. As for reward, that can be debated. However, I agree that it is better than a second rounder.

For me, smart teams buy low not sell low. Fans on the other hand change their opinion based on shortsighted individual opinions. Insert kid crying over KP drafting.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nothing to go back and forth about. You're saying that Smith is a ball hog. No basis in fact.

I think people use the the words ball dominant and selfish interchangeably. That's not always the case. Both Melo and Chris Paul pound the air out of the ball, but nobody accuses Paul of being selfish. DSJ does pound the hell out of the ball and is a willing passer. The problem is that he doesn't recognize reads or see the floor as well as he needs to. You can make up for that when you can penetrate at will, but DSJ couldn't do that last year. He becomes useless if he loses a step due to his lack of J. I'm hoping for a bounce. We need as much talent as possible.

Smith jr. has enough work to do on his game without assigning flaws he doesnt have. Marbury as a Knick was ball dominant. He would pound the rock for most of the shot clock, and give the ball up, if he didnt have the lane.

Smith jr gives up the ball early in the shot clock. Keeps the ball moving. Where he goes wrong most often. What makes him cough up the ball, more often than not. Is when DSJr takes it to the rim, in transition, or halfcourt set. And is met by one or two defenders, he too often coughed up the ball instead of a reset. Thats a long way from dominating the ball.

DSJs Usage Rate this season is a little less than Marbury's when he was a Knick. DSJ was 23% and Marbury's range from about 26% to 20% (the 26% happened during the trade season). It was also higher than Elfrid Paytons. We can argue about what constitutes ball hogging, but one thing is clear. This season, DSJ held onto the ball more than his production of warranted. Does that make him selfiah? I don't think he's anymore selfish than say, Trae Young or Ja Morant. He just had a way crappie season. Again, I'm hoping he bounces back because this team needs as much talent as possible.

The joys of a one bar phone, out in the sticks...ugh.

Not convinced that these numbers reflect what Smith jr is doing with the ball. He isnt spending most of the shot clock dribbling, unless he's getting the ball back. Bad idea to take 32 games when he was injured, and grieving the death of a family member. And try to extrapolate a complete picture of what kind of player DSJr is. Its a small sample size, skewed by injuries, and extraordinary circumstances.

Surround Smith jr with more than role players, and rookies, believe we will see a different PG, if he's really healthy this time. Would be foolish not to have a look, before the FO makes a decision.

Besides, some posters talk like they would play like All-Stars, if they were in the same situation. C'mon now.

martin wrote:The only thing DSJr has ever shown is that he has/had uber athleticism even at the NBA level. Last season he showed that the athleticism is somehow broke, although no injury was announced. I'm assuming back.

Over 3 years, he has shown his shot to be broke and somehow getting worse. He has not shown understanding of how to run an offense; albeit when healthy, he can put up stats. He barely tries on defense.

If your 401K was analyzed in real time like DSJr, a financial advisor would tell you that there may be a chance that BlockBuster eventually turns that corner but better to put the money into a few other shiny new online companies like NetFlix or Amazon or Google.

At what point does wishful thinking of previous years meet reality of today? Otherwise, keep clutching those DVDs and see what happens.

He has shown flashes of G-Wiz athleticism that some fans crave. As I was reading this I was cobbling together how this all fell apart for him.

I did see an article that was published during his Dallas stint that made a big deal of being raised by his dad. These were the days of promoting black male husbandry which is why I think the piece was of interest. I do think his dad later met someone who is the mother figure everyone refers to. Maybe not. In any case, these things are always personal journeys.

But last year during training camp DSJ looked good and then he didn't and I do think someone spoke about a potential back problem. By the end of training camp, Frankie was the most impressive of the bunch.

Now, its possible in Fizz's mind that Frankie didn't 'win' the starting spot because poor DSJ was injured and [as the FO/Porky trade narrative was supposed to go], DSJ was in the wings. So Fizz stalled Frankie's opportunities to ensure DSJ would have a clear path to the strating job after resting his back. After all, we wouldn't want the fans to attach themselves to Frankie because Frankie was [as the FO and NY sports MSM narrative was playing it] a failure [take *that* Phil Jackson!].

Grieved or not, the eyeball test of watching DSJ play [with a one game exception] was profoundly disappointing.

I think your observations are wholly correct and that inventory of stuff that would need to be fixed is nontrivial. For DSJ to redeem his value as a Knick would take a lot of project development minutes from others with far fewer things to fix and who bring far more to the game.
"Keeping" DSJ turns the deep bench of the Knicks into the Island of Misfit Toys. He would have very, very little chance of seeing 'up' barring a miraculous turnabout.

He needs a team that is closer to the start of a rebuild than the Knicks or who don't have to squeeze value out of every roster spot. I think the train has left that station in NY.

martin wrote:

If your 401K was analyzed in real time like DSJr, a financial advisor would tell you that there may be a chance that BlockBuster eventually turns that corner but better to put the money into a few other shiny new online companies like NetFlix or Amazon or Google.

At what point does wishful thinking of previous years meet reality of today? Otherwise, keep clutching those DVDs and see what happens.

Staying with your 401k analogy, you would be guy trading all you stocks at their lowest value based on emotion and I would be the one buying them and realizing a return.

The NY Knick eye test is as good as a indicator for potential as jock itch.
The same eye test that thought guys like Baker, Hermagomez, Jimmy Fredette and Frank are exactly what we need. Yet passing on some that have that elusive thing called natural ability.

Again. I respect that you think Smith sucks. Cool. I don't. But Again...What is the harm of,letting him go through training camp? Or do you think 34 bad games that were contrary to his first two years are enough? If 34 games are enough, I can name several players that shpuld also be dumped for nothing.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

If your 401K was analyzed in real time like DSJr, a financial advisor would tell you that there may be a chance that BlockBuster eventually turns that corner but better to put the money into a few other shiny new online companies like NetFlix or Amazon or Google.

At what point does wishful thinking of previous years meet reality of today? Otherwise, keep clutching those DVDs and see what happens.

Staying with your 401k analogy, you would be guy trading all you stocks at their lowest value based on emotion and I would be the one buying them and realizing a return.

The NY Knick eye test is as good as a indicator for potential as jock itch.
The same eye test that thought guys like Baker, Hermagomez, Jimmy Fredette and Frank are exactly what we need. Yet passing on some that have that elusive thing called natural ability.

Again. I respect that you think Smith sucks. Cool. I don't. But Again...What is the harm of,letting him go through training camp? Or do you think 34 bad games that were contrary to his first two years are enough? If 34 games are enough, I can name several players that shpuld also be dumped for nothing.

I have never limited to my thinking about DSJr to 34 games, only the injury part, don't know why you keep bringing that time period up.

His career: Never played defense, never learned how to manage an offense, shot gets worse, can dunk nicely.

Never said you did. Just pointing out that those 34 games are the only real sample size that accurately depict your characterization. IMO. If you are saying that he was as bad as you claim, I would point out that when compared to several players, on this roster, and for that matter, several top 10 draft picks, they are not as insignificant as you claim.

Look we can go back and forth. We can both come up with our cherry picked observations/stats that support why we feel Smith is either worth given another chance or worth trading for scraps. I am just saying I do not see the rush to trade/cut him for nothing? Also, do not think he has gotten a fair chance from Knick fans. ie booing last year at home. Just feel it is more about the Frank/Smith preference. Not about letting the best player win. And that is contrary to the call for the Knicks to build through the draft and to developing their young players.

Knick Roster that one can argue should be dealt based of cherry picked stats/ preferential eye test.
Frank - Shooting 31% from 3pt and averaging 6/3 in 20 min per game during his first three years.
Mitch- Ft% down from 60 to 56%. Still can't shoot beyond 2 feet. Can defend and dunk nicely.
RJ- 32% from 3pt, a dismal 61% from the line. Under 3 dimes in 30 minutes of play. As a wing.
Knox- 50% drop in scoring, Lower shooting percentage, 65% from the line. Defense?
Payton- In his sixth year. 20% from 3pt! 57% from the line!
Randal- Fan list of reasons much too long to include here.
Should we cut/trade all of them for scraps? I don't think so. Think they should be developed.

Former top 10 draft picks in 2016 or 2017 that have not matched Smith numbers or posses similar weaknesses.
Lonzo - 48% Ft!, Averaging just 10pts per game as a 2nd overall pick, Defense?
Frank- Does not play offense
Fox- 29% from 3pt. 70% foul shooting, Great defender?
Monk- 28% from 3pt., yet to average what Smith has.
Jackson- Three consecutive years of reduced production, 70% ft. shooting. Yet to average what Smith has.
Dunn- 25% from 3pt. Three consecutive years of reduced production. Yet to average what Smith has.
Marquess Chris- 20% from 3pt. Yet to average what Smith has.
Will not include the long list of busts from those years. ie Fultz, Bender. (I counted 22 out of the 40 players taken as top 20) Just pointing out that Smith's first year numbers were not as common as the eye test wants to make it.

However, just do not think we will ever agree. Definitely looking forward to see what the FO does with the roster. Either way, I hope we put together a much better team and I hope the kids mentioned above will kill it next year. That means ALL of them.

HofstraBBall wrote:Look we can go back and forth. We can both come up with our cherry picked observations/stats that support why we feel Smith is either worth given another chance or worth trading for scraps. I am just saying I do not see the rush to trade/cut him for nothing?

Here is what a functional NBA front office would do at this point considering basic resource management. Since DSJr has no trade value and the Knicks are stuck with him for his salary this year no matter what, the questions become

A) What can Smith do right now, given what he's shown so far, as an individual player, to improve his chances to stick on an NBA roster as a role player? (i.e. a player must have agency in his own career path/fate)

B) What can the Knicks do off the court (coaching, medical, analytics, etc) to help DSJr reach replacement level value?

C) What can the Knicks do scheme wise on the court, based on what Smith has shown so far, to help him reach replacement level value and help push him towards a functional long term role to stick to an NBA roster?

Hofstra, these are the questions you should be asking and answering.

I've had to help prepare over 100+ guys for the Combine on an individual level over the years and it was critical to be honest and direct with each one of them. I.E. for many, they had to come to terms that they would no longer be stars like in college and would have to be role players and endure being on the roster fringes their entire career.

At this point, Dennis Smith Jr is a salvage job. It doesn't mean he can't have a career in the league, but it does mean previous expectations for him being an All Star are gone. Until you can come to terms with that Hofstra, if you actually worked for the Knicks, you wouldn't be able to help him.