BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead

Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Black lives matter is not in contrast to All lives matter....Black lives matter is simply stating that Black Lives Matter TOO. And to say that the protest should only focus on guns is ignorant and it is as if you are saying systemic racism doesn't exist in this country. Removing guns from the equation is not going to fix racial inequality, its not going to spark criminal justice reform, its not going to end systemic racism, its not going to end police brutality, its not going to fix the unequal and broken educational system, its not going to remove hatred from the heart of an ignorant racist.

Briggs, saying that you are right, shows that you are not open to opposing ideas and shows a closed-mindedness and ignorance...Listen.

I think taking guns out of society and working on strong police reform will do wonders for racial equality injustice. If we cut down sharply on violence as a society— many of these instances we here/see won’t happen. Other injustices you see will flatten out. Why not focus on 1-2 really important issues—because I bet if we do there will be a major snowball effect. And yes I think I am right about guns and how it effects society at large. I’m right with anybody else who believes in police reform. A more peaceful less violent society will free up other injustices.
I’m on the same team as anyone who wants a free fair peaceful society for all people. I think it really needs to start with those two issues. I’m a friend to anyone in my own life. I believe in friendship and getting along in peace.

Thats 1 strategy....but thats like cutting down weeds, just to watch them grow again. Vs. Pulling the weeds out the dirt and them spray policies to keep the white supremacy weeds, hate spreading weeds and any oppressed laws that still exist, but hidden behind different words instead of the vulgar that used to be there. Its the hidden racism that trump so eloquently highlights with dog whistles.

There needs to be a direct approach on removing systemic racism from laws. Cops able to shoot amd kill when they FEEL threatened is one example of how they can get away with murder. Thats just 1 of many examples of laws written by white racist. Now im over generalizing to make a point that we have to think bigger.

We also have to remove this fear these political parties are pushing. Fear that white people will lose their privileges they had for generations, just becasue other non white races are simply asking for equal rights. Why u think such a simple requests caused people to kill, burn and fire hose innocent people? Its fear...

Until we address the roots of racism, these situations will continue to resurface.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead

Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Guns aren't the reason 2 cases would have 2 different outcomes if the same incident happen.

No one is being left out of the Black Lives Matter movement or Social Justice movements either. Black Lives Matter is the biggest most global movement that as ever been organized at this moment. With different countries and groups of people participating showing their support and understanding the reality that we already knew. Its centered around race because people in positions of power decided that race is matters. These issues that we are currently speaking about are only leaves on a tree to the overall issues in America. If theoretically brought to trial the amount of evidence support systemic oppression and racism would be overwhelming. Studies have already proven everything from a black child showing the same amount of intellect as a white child is less likely to be offered advanced classes. Black child showing same level of behavior problems as a white child is more likely to receive disciplinary action. White child is more likely to be treated for mental health issues as well. Black teen is more likely to be charged as an adult for the same crime as a White teen. Black adult is more likely to be charged for a harsher sentence that a White adult for the same crime. Person holding a black sounding name is less likely to receive a call back for a job than a white sounding name even if the resume is exactly the same(yes they used the same resume and just changed the name for the study). Black person at every level of education will get paid less that a White person at every education level. Meaning Black person with high school diploma will be paid less than a White person with a high school diploma. Black person with a Masters degree while he will get paid more than a Black or White person with a high school diploma obviously. He will get paid less than a White person with a Masters degree. Black women have obtained the most degrees at all levels out of any group of people over these years. Black Women on average get paid the least out of any other group of people. But "race isn't the issue" yet its somehow coincidental that Black Women out of all the groups of people just so happen to be paid the least.

I bring up all these type of issues because its all connected to how society has been working at every level. These issues with police and gun violence are no different. Again just another leaf on the tree. Black Lives are devalued unless they are making someone else money. All lives matter can only be a true statement when Black Lives do as well. And the fact that you know that there would be 2 different outcomes between Cannon & Breonna is more proof of that.

There is also not one injustice that All Lives Matter is organizing against. Its has only been used as a phrase to speak out against BLM without doing any real work to ensure this phrase hold truth. All Lives Matter should be a movement that BLM moves within its wing or as a branch. As should an Asian Lives Matter & Latino Lives Matter. Which each movement focusing on injustices that pertain to them while supporting each others movements.

But just like Breast Cancer awareness month is able to be dedicated to a specific disease. Black people should be able to focus on issues that pertain to black people. Because no one else is going to at a consistent rate.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead

Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Guns aren't the reason 2 cases would have 2 different outcomes if the same incident happen.

No one is being left out of the Black Lives Matter movement or Social Justice movements either. Black Lives Matter is the biggest most global movement that as ever been organized at this moment. With different countries and groups of people participating showing their support and understanding the reality that we already knew. Its centered around race because people in positions of power decided that race is matters. These issues that we are currently speaking about are only leaves on a tree to the overall issues in America. If theoretically brought to trial the amount of evidence support systemic oppression and racism would be overwhelming. Studies have already proven everything from a black child showing the same amount of intellect as a white child is less likely to be offered advanced classes. Black child showing same level of behavior problems as a white child is more likely to receive disciplinary action. White child is more likely to be treated for mental health issues as well. Black teen is more likely to be charged as an adult for the same crime as a White teen. Black adult is more likely to be charged for a harsher sentence that a White adult for the same crime. Person holding a black sounding name is less likely to receive a call back for a job than a white sounding name even if the resume is exactly the same(yes they used the same resume and just changed the name for the study). Black person at every level of education will get paid less that a White person at every education level. Meaning Black person with high school diploma will be paid less than a White person with a high school diploma. Black person with a Masters degree while he will get paid more than a Black or White person with a high school diploma obviously. He will get paid less than a White person with a Masters degree. Black women have obtained the most degrees at all levels out of any group of people over these years. Black Women on average get paid the least out of any other group of people. But "race isn't the issue" yet its somehow coincidental that Black Women out of all the groups of people just so happen to be paid the least.

I bring up all these type of issues because its all connected to how society has been working at every level. These issues with police and gun violence are no different. Again just another leaf on the tree. Black Lives are devalued unless they are making someone else money. All lives matter can only be a true statement when Black Lives do as well. And the fact that you know that there would be 2 different outcomes between Cannon & Breonna is more proof of that.

There is also not one injustice that All Lives Matter is organizing against. Its has only been used as a phrase to speak out against BLM without doing any real work to ensure this phrase hold truth. All Lives Matter should be a movement that BLM moves within its wing or as a branch. As should an Asian Lives Matter & Latino Lives Matter. Which each movement focusing on injustices that pertain to them while supporting each others movements.

But just like Breast Cancer awareness month is able to be dedicated to a specific disease. Black people should be able to focus on issues that pertain to black people. Because no one else is going to at a consistent rate.

On point as usual! Wouldn't expect anything less from you! Great, Great post!

Who is doing this? Who is paying black people less? Which company? Which health care is devaluing black lives?

The incidents which at are at hand have to deal with police which are long over due for massive reform and the fact that there are way too many guns in society.

Nobody is devaluing black lives.

BRIGGS wrote:What person — who devalues black lives?
What business what corporation devalues black lives?
Who in the government what senator or congressman/ woman devalues black lives

Who is doing this? Who is paying black people less? Which company? Which health care is devaluing black lives?

The incidents which at are at hand have to deal with police which are long over due for massive reform and the fact that there are way too many guns in society.

Nobody is devaluing black lives.

This is part of the problem. You make statements as if they are fact yet do no research. SMH

And for the most part it won't even be worth it to do the work for you. As you will just give bs responses. But just off simple google search choosing one topic out of the many.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wells-lending-settlement/wells-fargo-to-pay-175-million-in-race-discrimination-probe-idUSBRE86B0V220120712

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/bank-america-pay-335-million-settle-claims-countrywide-discriminated-minorities-article-1.995094

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/18/us-accuses-jpmorgan-mortgage-discrimination-lawsuit/96710486/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mortgage-discrimination-black-and-latino-paying-millions-more-in-interest-study-shows/

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:What person — who devalues black lives?
What business what corporation devalues black lives?
Who in the government what senator or congressman/ woman devalues black lives

Who is doing this? Who is paying black people less? Which company? Which health care is devaluing black lives?

The incidents which at are at hand have to deal with police which are long over due for massive reform and the fact that there are way too many guns in society.

Nobody is devaluing black lives.

This is part of the problem. You make statements as if they are fact yet do no research. SMH

And for the most part it won't even be worth it to do the work for you. As you will just give bs responses. But just off simple google search choosing one topic out of the many.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wells-lending-settlement/wells-fargo-to-pay-175-million-in-race-discrimination-probe-idUSBRE86B0V220120712

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/bank-america-pay-335-million-settle-claims-countrywide-discriminated-minorities-article-1.995094

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/18/us-accuses-jpmorgan-mortgage-discrimination-lawsuit/96710486/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mortgage-discrimination-black-and-latino-paying-millions-more-in-interest-study-shows/

You’re showing me that some banks jobbed some people on subprime mortgages. There were plenty of white and yellow suckers who bit into the same mortgages 13 years ago. So your answer is ThT there are some predatory banks who tried to give sht deals? Give me a f break.

Again I’ll ask u who devalues black lives? I mean is it Apple or Microsoft? A white family in Maine? Who is doing the devaluing?

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:What person — who devalues black lives?
What business what corporation devalues black lives?
Who in the government what senator or congressman/ woman devalues black lives

Who is doing this? Who is paying black people less? Which company? Which health care is devaluing black lives?

The incidents which at are at hand have to deal with police which are long over due for massive reform and the fact that there are way too many guns in society.

Nobody is devaluing black lives.

This is part of the problem. You make statements as if they are fact yet do no research. SMH

And for the most part it won't even be worth it to do the work for you. As you will just give bs responses. But just off simple google search choosing one topic out of the many.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wells-lending-settlement/wells-fargo-to-pay-175-million-in-race-discrimination-probe-idUSBRE86B0V220120712

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/bank-america-pay-335-million-settle-claims-countrywide-discriminated-minorities-article-1.995094

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/18/us-accuses-jpmorgan-mortgage-discrimination-lawsuit/96710486/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mortgage-discrimination-black-and-latino-paying-millions-more-in-interest-study-shows/

You’re showing me that some banks jobbed some people on subprime mortgages. There were plenty of white and yellow suckers who bit into the same mortgages 13 years ago. So your answer is ThT there are some predatory banks who tried to give sht deals? Give me a f break.

Again I’ll ask u who devalues black lives? I mean is it Apple or Microsoft? A white family in Maine? Who is doing the devaluing?

And for the most part it won't even be worth it to do the work for you. As you will just give bs responses.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Briggs when Ahmaud Aubrey was chased down and shot while jogging. Why was nobody charged for months until protest made it national news? And only after that did it lead to a charge and conviction. If it was worthy of charge and conviction why did it take protest national attention and re-looking into the case after months avoidance?

If there was no protest would Ahmaud Aubrey's life and death have mattered to anyone but his family and friends? Would justice have been served? Because it seems to me that with no protest no justice would have been served because Aubrey's life wouldn't have mattered enough to have done the right thing without pressure. If it was Cannon though instead of Aurbrey. Would it have taken protest for the right thing to have been done?

Shot=gun
Shot=gun

Guns are the problem
Police reform is the problem
No one is devaluing black lives

The police dept is in great need of a modern overhaul. I’d like to see police officers who don’t carry guns— only special units.

They chased him down because he was black in a neighborhood they didn't believe he belonged in. That was what initiated the incident. Talking about guns is only used to avoid accountability towards racial motives as per usual. The motive behind attempting to avoid charging these men was because they only killed a black man and they valued the life of the former detective and his son over his. Racism is whats causing the push for reform.

BRIGGS wrote:By the way
300 black folk died by way of police force last Year of the 1000 total.
It certainly is an issue— we don’t need police killing anyone intimidating anyone bullying anyone
But it’s not just a black folks problem. It’s highlighted that way but it’s a very very small nothingness of 330 mm people? We need reasonable change— we don’t need to be burning down buildings and looting businesses

Link to your statistics.

black folk are ~12-14% of the population depending on how you count it.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:What person — who devalues black lives?
What business what corporation devalues black lives?
Who in the government what senator or congressman/ woman devalues black lives

Who is doing this? Who is paying black people less? Which company? Which health care is devaluing black lives?

The incidents which at are at hand have to deal with police which are long over due for massive reform and the fact that there are way too many guns in society.

Nobody is devaluing black lives.

This is part of the problem. You make statements as if they are fact yet do no research. SMH

And for the most part it won't even be worth it to do the work for you. As you will just give bs responses. But just off simple google search choosing one topic out of the many.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wells-lending-settlement/wells-fargo-to-pay-175-million-in-race-discrimination-probe-idUSBRE86B0V220120712

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/bank-america-pay-335-million-settle-claims-countrywide-discriminated-minorities-article-1.995094

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/18/us-accuses-jpmorgan-mortgage-discrimination-lawsuit/96710486/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mortgage-discrimination-black-and-latino-paying-millions-more-in-interest-study-shows/

You’re showing me that some banks jobbed some people on subprime mortgages. There were plenty of white and yellow suckers who bit into the same mortgages 13 years ago. So your answer is ThT there are some predatory banks who tried to give sht deals? Give me a f break.

Again I’ll ask u who devalues black lives? I mean is it Apple or Microsoft? A white family in Maine? Who is doing the devaluing?

And for the most part it won't even be worth it to do the work for you. As you will just give bs responses.

You have no answer— and guess what— that is the right answer New York — no one is devaluing black lives.

#1 I already broke down multiples studies already done. If you want to inform yourself then research them. You are also the person that stated and I quote "I don't even know what redlining is" but there is no racism in America".

#2 Who do you think this one example will effect significantly more Briggs and why? Do some critical thinking

They also didn't just get screwed for trying to give shyt deals. They got sued for RACIAL DISCRIMINATION towards giving out **** deals. Meaning they were MORE LIKELY to give out shyt deals to people of color. Thats what DISCRIMINATION is which what they were sued for.