smackeddog wrote:If the Raptors crap out to the Celtics, might make Fred VanVleet more of a possibility as there’s much less pressure On them to keep the team together another year.

He’s going to have a big market. Phoenix and Detroit probably want him badly. It comes down to Leon and crew convincing him this is a better place for him for about the same money as the other spots.

Draft Nesmith or Vassell at 8
Sign one of these 3 to start at PF: Bertans, Anthony or Marcus Morris

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Update from Macri:

Not that it’s very important today, but I’m told to take yesterday’s report that the Knicks are expected to pursue Davis Bertans with a grain of salt. This is not to say that New York wouldn’t be interested in his services - I have no reason to believe they wouldn’t be - but I have the sense that they know Washington is willing to overpay to keep him (especially since they refused to part with him at the deadline) and that this may not be of interest. Remember always: player agents have every incentive to create the illusion of a bidding war for their client’s services.

That’s not to say the Knicks don’t have getting a stretch-four as a high priority. As Ian Begley has reported for months, I’m told it is.

(I've lost the link but I think it's on the Knicks film school website and his newsletter (which I'd definitely recommend subscribing too- it's free and very informative for all Knick fans)

Good news we're interested in a stretch 4- How many are out there in FA? I can only think of:

Longer term investments (ie 3 years+ deals):
Bertans
Jerami Grant
Marcus Morris (seems to be playing well in the playoffs for the Clips, won't settle for a 1 year deal again)
Gallo (will be expensive- turned down big numbers offered by Miami)

Short term stop gaps (could maybe get away with a 1-2 year deal):
Milsap (links to Perrin, over 41% from three, 35 years old)
Ibaka (his name was mentioned months ago, hehad a resurgence in a contract year, but mainly from moving to C spot. shot 39% from 3, 30 years old) I think Raptors stump up to keep their team together another year.
Saric (seems to be in steep decline)

The question is, is the intent to bring in a stretch- 4 to start and move Randle to the bench, or just bring in a role player for a backup role? If the latter is the case, Patrick Patterson is kentucky guy and true stretch 4. There's a few of these deep reserve types out there.

I'm hoping it means Randle is being traded (again I feel bad saying this as he seems a nice person- it's not about him as player, it's about the fit)

Knicks need to either trade Randle or move him to the bench. I think he might be an effective 6th man but what the Knicks really need is a PF who can shoot. Randle is just a post up guy. I don’t think Randle is as bad as some make him out to be he can have a role on a good team and that’s coming off the bench

Let's say he's available at a "low" price. What of it if you have to sign him to a contract that will be an albatross for the next 4 or 5 years?

IMO, there are better investments.

Briggs is spot on with Christian Wood. Sign Morris. Dump Randle. Draft or sign a decent UFA to fill out the bench. I'm happy.

We will get a good mentor for the young PGs and possibly a rookie pg this year. Will it still be possible to go after Woods or Bertans if the knicks do the trade? Will there still be cap space for a stretch 4?

A line up of

Conley or Frank
RJ
Okoro
Bertans or woods
Mitch

Or

Conley
Frank
RJ
Bertans or woods
Mitch

Can also be a competitive line up

Jimbo5 wrote:Randle to the Jazz is not necessary about roster fit for the Jazz but maybe more of a cap space move for them, giving them more room to make more moves to improve for next year.

Well, it will be interesting to see what develops through the offseason. It seems the front office would like to make a splash and change the roster significantly.

Randle for Conley would be a dream come true. If Utah needs to save money at any cost than I can see it. If they just want to move Conley than they will probably just want us to absorb him into cap space. It really depends on how desperate they are.

fwk00 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Randle to the Jazz is not necessary about roster fit for the Jazz but maybe more of a cap space move for them, giving them more room to make more moves to improve for next year.

Well, it will be interesting to see what develops through the offseason. It seems the front office would like to make a splash and change the roster significantly.

Randle for Conley would be a dream come true. If Utah needs to save money at any cost than I can see it. If they just want to move Conley than they will probably just want us to absorb him into cap space. It really depends on how desperate they are.

That would be a no-go, IMO. For different reasons we need to move bodies as well - Randle a case in point. Given Conley's salary, we'd have to ship more out to make it work but I like the idea. Helps both teams differently.

Yeah my offer would be Randle straight up for Conley. No picks required. I wouldn’t absorb that entire contract into cap space because I don’t think it leaves enough money to actually bring in shooters we need. For example we wouldn’t have enough to sign someone like Bertans. Bertans seems like a gettable player because Washington can’t start him. They are committed to Hachimura at the 4. Atlanta May want him but have Capela and Collins. PF is generally a very deep position around the league because so many SFs are now starting at the 4. With Bertans we can offer a starting spot and he’s the ideal fit in between Mitch and RJ. With using the draft to start rebuilding the backcourt we won’t be a good team, but we will be on the right track.