newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:8 of the last 13 Knicks head coaches were black, 7 if you take into account Herb Williams was used twice.

I am very careful discussing racial topics because it usually just ends up with emotion getting in the way (that goes both ways). However David West is out and out wrong here, especially making such comments about a team that has gone about hiring so many minorities. The Knicks have had several times when the full front office was minorities (Pres. GM. Coach), they have repeatedly shown that color no bearing on who they hire.

I respect the message but saying it is racism just because the guy they happen to have hired is white is irresponsible and ignorant. And I love David West as a player. Someone said it before, it trivializes those instances where true racism and bigotry do rear it's ugly head. You can be against hiring Thibs on a professional level, but given that he was the most proven and most successful and had the most proven track record and probably was the most stable(based on experience) of the realistically available coaches, to push all that aside and verbalize, as David West did, that he was just hired because he was white is ignorant. Couldn't it have been the fact after all the horrible decisions they have made, the Knicks needed the most seemingly stable, most solid track record candidate with possibly the least chance to fail?

But just as a white person getting a job just because they are white is wrong, so is calling to hire any minority just because they are a minority is wrong also.

I was not familiar with alot of the out of town interviewees, so I have an open question to anyone: Did any candidate have any comparable past success/track record to Thibs?

yea well maybe you havent been paying attention thats not viewed as a positive here by the anti Thibs crowd which is basically 3 guys saying the same things over and over in every thread.

Thibs wins, makes players better and makes teams better. The improvements when he takes over and slippage when he leaves cant be denied, it can only be spun... so I present you with this argument: "retread"

Imagine interviewing for a job you have demonstrated every desirable skill for an even have the track record to support those skills, yet you were passed over for someone with no experience but pretty ideas because you were a retread.

Joe I am with you. Thibs may or may not work out but he's an excellent coach who coaches to the strengths of his roster. Its a good hire, despite what the retread posters say

I agree with you on your post knicks hiring minority coaches mostly black coaches over last 20 years has been more then any other team. My thing is with people like david west he needs get facts right the knicks have hired more black coaches in 20 year stretch then whole of the nfl, mlb, or nhl has done combined. You know how the nfl needs rooney rule to give black coaches intervies the knicks just hire them more often actually give them chance just in certain cases it hasn't worked out. Look how steve mills and isiah thomas stayed on the knicks for a long period time before getting fired and they got plenty of chances and years they shouldn't have gotten.

Don’t believe West was specifically talking about the Knicks, but in general. But I feel the NBA has been pretty good in terms of diversity in coaching. The baggage that Mark Jackson has been said to have wit him in GS is alarming. Thibs continually failing up is also too strong of a statement. He failed in Minny, but I wouldn’t say he failed in Chi.

With Thibs I do have concerns though. The talent on the Bulls and Wolves teams far exceed the talent on this Knicks team. And we have yet to see Thibs be asked to build up a team at this stage we are currently in. Also don’t like that he is 62 given the makeup of the team.

But he looks like he will be the coach. So like anyone else I will give him the chance to fail or succeed. If he does fail though then I will say it’s not a good look on Rose more than anyone else.

He specifically mentioned them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/david-west-upset-knicks-reportedly-014245753.html
http://
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.talkbasket.net/96588-david-west-not-happy-with-the-knicks-hiring-tom-thibodeau%3famp

I can't cut figure out how to cut and paste the articles but he targets Tom and the Knicks and specifically intimates that they didn't want to hire a black coach.

His exact tweets.

Man how many times can u fail up as a black head coach....

I feel for the young players who's development will stagnate but they will be blamed for not working hard....

Young players run for the hills...

Literally destroys guys yet gets chance after chance....

How many opportunities has Mark Jackson gotten?

Ty Lue been given another shot at leading a team?

Patrick Ewing got a shot at NBA job yet or I missed that?

Non of these tweets speak on the Knicks specifically having any type of discriminatory hiring practices. Which even if he did elude to that. It wouldn't be backed by anything of substance. As Knicks hired back to back black head coaches in Mike Woodson & Derek Fisher. And hired a black head coach just 2 seasons ago in Fizdale. Between Woodson, Fisher, Hornacek, Fizdale & Thibs. 3 out of the last 5 head coaches who started out the season were black.

You did not quote them in context. He replied to a direct tweet saying he was hired

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287083587163041792

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287094496384233472

Were these direct enough to possibly put together that he was talking about the Knicks?

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:8 of the last 13 Knicks head coaches were black, 7 if you take into account Herb Williams was used twice.

I am very careful discussing racial topics because it usually just ends up with emotion getting in the way (that goes both ways). However David West is out and out wrong here, especially making such comments about a team that has gone about hiring so many minorities. The Knicks have had several times when the full front office was minorities (Pres. GM. Coach), they have repeatedly shown that color no bearing on who they hire.

I respect the message but saying it is racism just because the guy they happen to have hired is white is irresponsible and ignorant. And I love David West as a player. Someone said it before, it trivializes those instances where true racism and bigotry do rear it's ugly head. You can be against hiring Thibs on a professional level, but given that he was the most proven and most successful and had the most proven track record and probably was the most stable(based on experience) of the realistically available coaches, to push all that aside and verbalize, as David West did, that he was just hired because he was white is ignorant. Couldn't it have been the fact after all the horrible decisions they have made, the Knicks needed the most seemingly stable, most solid track record candidate with possibly the least chance to fail?

But just as a white person getting a job just because they are white is wrong, so is calling to hire any minority just because they are a minority is wrong also.

I was not familiar with alot of the out of town interviewees, so I have an open question to anyone: Did any candidate have any comparable past success/track record to Thibs?

yea well maybe you havent been paying attention thats not viewed as a positive here by the anti Thibs crowd which is basically 3 guys saying the same things over and over in every thread.

Thibs wins, makes players better and makes teams better. The improvements when he takes over and slippage when he leaves cant be denied, it can only be spun... so I present you with this argument: "retread"

Imagine interviewing for a job you have demonstrated every desirable skill for an even have the track record to support those skills, yet you were passed over for someone with no experience but pretty ideas because you were a retread.

Joe I am with you. Thibs may or may not work out but he's an excellent coach who coaches to the strengths of his roster. Its a good hire, despite what the retread posters say

I agree with you on your post knicks hiring minority coaches mostly black coaches over last 20 years has been more then any other team. My thing is with people like david west he needs get facts right the knicks have hired more black coaches in 20 year stretch then whole of the nfl, mlb, or nhl has done combined. You know how the nfl needs rooney rule to give black coaches intervies the knicks just hire them more often actually give them chance just in certain cases it hasn't worked out. Look how steve mills and isiah thomas stayed on the knicks for a long period time before getting fired and they got plenty of chances and years they shouldn't have gotten.

Don’t believe West was specifically talking about the Knicks, but in general. But I feel the NBA has been pretty good in terms of diversity in coaching. The baggage that Mark Jackson has been said to have wit him in GS is alarming. Thibs continually failing up is also too strong of a statement. He failed in Minny, but I wouldn’t say he failed in Chi.

With Thibs I do have concerns though. The talent on the Bulls and Wolves teams far exceed the talent on this Knicks team. And we have yet to see Thibs be asked to build up a team at this stage we are currently in. Also don’t like that he is 62 given the makeup of the team.

But he looks like he will be the coach. So like anyone else I will give him the chance to fail or succeed. If he does fail though then I will say it’s not a good look on Rose more than anyone else.

He specifically mentioned them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/david-west-upset-knicks-reportedly-014245753.html
http://
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.talkbasket.net/96588-david-west-not-happy-with-the-knicks-hiring-tom-thibodeau%3famp

I can't cut figure out how to cut and paste the articles but he targets Tom and the Knicks and specifically intimates that they didn't want to hire a black coach.

His exact tweets.

Man how many times can u fail up as a black head coach....

I feel for the young players who's development will stagnate but they will be blamed for not working hard....

Young players run for the hills...

Literally destroys guys yet gets chance after chance....

How many opportunities has Mark Jackson gotten?

Ty Lue been given another shot at leading a team?

Patrick Ewing got a shot at NBA job yet or I missed that?

Non of these tweets speak on the Knicks specifically having any type of discriminatory hiring practices. Which even if he did elude to that. It wouldn't be backed by anything of substance. As Knicks hired back to back black head coaches in Mike Woodson & Derek Fisher. And hired a black head coach just 2 seasons ago in Fizdale. Between Woodson, Fisher, Hornacek, Fizdale & Thibs. 3 out of the last 5 head coaches who started out the season were black.

You did not quote them in context. He replied to a direct tweet saying he was hired

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287083587163041792

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287094496384233472

Were these direct enough to possibly put together that he was talking about the Knicks?

Nah, it comes off more as him just not liking Thibs as a coach. All his tweets were consistent in trashing Thibs as a coach. He did elude to a perceived double standard. But I don't believe his double standard comments were specifically targeting the Knicks, as if they have a history of doing so. Thibs getting another chance but Mark Jackson or Tyrone Lue not having jobs which he eluded to isn't specifically on the Knicks. Thibs could have gotten hired by Houston after MDA eventually gets let go. West would be saying the same thing about how does Thibs get another shot but Lue or Mark Jackson don't. Ewing not having a head coaching job isn't specifically on the Knicks. It goes after any team that had a coaching vacancy but passed on Ewing all these yrs. Knicks would be included in that list as would a ton of other teams.

newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:8 of the last 13 Knicks head coaches were black, 7 if you take into account Herb Williams was used twice.

I am very careful discussing racial topics because it usually just ends up with emotion getting in the way (that goes both ways). However David West is out and out wrong here, especially making such comments about a team that has gone about hiring so many minorities. The Knicks have had several times when the full front office was minorities (Pres. GM. Coach), they have repeatedly shown that color no bearing on who they hire.

I respect the message but saying it is racism just because the guy they happen to have hired is white is irresponsible and ignorant. And I love David West as a player. Someone said it before, it trivializes those instances where true racism and bigotry do rear it's ugly head. You can be against hiring Thibs on a professional level, but given that he was the most proven and most successful and had the most proven track record and probably was the most stable(based on experience) of the realistically available coaches, to push all that aside and verbalize, as David West did, that he was just hired because he was white is ignorant. Couldn't it have been the fact after all the horrible decisions they have made, the Knicks needed the most seemingly stable, most solid track record candidate with possibly the least chance to fail?

But just as a white person getting a job just because they are white is wrong, so is calling to hire any minority just because they are a minority is wrong also.

I was not familiar with alot of the out of town interviewees, so I have an open question to anyone: Did any candidate have any comparable past success/track record to Thibs?

yea well maybe you havent been paying attention thats not viewed as a positive here by the anti Thibs crowd which is basically 3 guys saying the same things over and over in every thread.

Thibs wins, makes players better and makes teams better. The improvements when he takes over and slippage when he leaves cant be denied, it can only be spun... so I present you with this argument: "retread"

Imagine interviewing for a job you have demonstrated every desirable skill for an even have the track record to support those skills, yet you were passed over for someone with no experience but pretty ideas because you were a retread.

Joe I am with you. Thibs may or may not work out but he's an excellent coach who coaches to the strengths of his roster. Its a good hire, despite what the retread posters say

I agree with you on your post knicks hiring minority coaches mostly black coaches over last 20 years has been more then any other team. My thing is with people like david west he needs get facts right the knicks have hired more black coaches in 20 year stretch then whole of the nfl, mlb, or nhl has done combined. You know how the nfl needs rooney rule to give black coaches intervies the knicks just hire them more often actually give them chance just in certain cases it hasn't worked out. Look how steve mills and isiah thomas stayed on the knicks for a long period time before getting fired and they got plenty of chances and years they shouldn't have gotten.

Don’t believe West was specifically talking about the Knicks, but in general. But I feel the NBA has been pretty good in terms of diversity in coaching. The baggage that Mark Jackson has been said to have wit him in GS is alarming. Thibs continually failing up is also too strong of a statement. He failed in Minny, but I wouldn’t say he failed in Chi.

With Thibs I do have concerns though. The talent on the Bulls and Wolves teams far exceed the talent on this Knicks team. And we have yet to see Thibs be asked to build up a team at this stage we are currently in. Also don’t like that he is 62 given the makeup of the team.

But he looks like he will be the coach. So like anyone else I will give him the chance to fail or succeed. If he does fail though then I will say it’s not a good look on Rose more than anyone else.

He specifically mentioned them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/david-west-upset-knicks-reportedly-014245753.html
http://
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.talkbasket.net/96588-david-west-not-happy-with-the-knicks-hiring-tom-thibodeau%3famp

I can't cut figure out how to cut and paste the articles but he targets Tom and the Knicks and specifically intimates that they didn't want to hire a black coach.

His exact tweets.

Man how many times can u fail up as a black head coach....

I feel for the young players who's development will stagnate but they will be blamed for not working hard....

Young players run for the hills...

Literally destroys guys yet gets chance after chance....

How many opportunities has Mark Jackson gotten?

Ty Lue been given another shot at leading a team?

Patrick Ewing got a shot at NBA job yet or I missed that?

Non of these tweets speak on the Knicks specifically having any type of discriminatory hiring practices. Which even if he did elude to that. It wouldn't be backed by anything of substance. As Knicks hired back to back black head coaches in Mike Woodson & Derek Fisher. And hired a black head coach just 2 seasons ago in Fizdale. Between Woodson, Fisher, Hornacek, Fizdale & Thibs. 3 out of the last 5 head coaches who started out the season were black.

You did not quote them in context. He replied to a direct tweet saying he was hired

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287083587163041792

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287094496384233472

Were these direct enough to possibly put together that he was talking about the Knicks?

Nah, it comes off more as him just not liking Thibs as a coach. All his tweets were consistent in trashing Thibs as a coach. He did elude to a perceived double standard. But I don't believe his double standard comments were specifically targeting the Knicks, as if they have a history of doing so. Thibs getting another chance but Mark Jackson or Tyrone Lue not having jobs which he eluded to isn't specifically on the Knicks. Thibs could have gotten hired by Houston after MDA eventually gets let go. West would be saying the same thing about how does Thibs get another shot but Lue or Mark Jackson don't. Ewing not having a head coaching job isn't specifically on the Knicks. It goes after any team that had a coaching vacancy but passed on Ewing all these yrs. Knicks would be included in that list as would a ton of other teams.

Face value, bro. He brought the Knicks up to use as an example of a "retread" white coach getting another chance while young black coaches or black coaches in general don't get the same chances. Forget about the fact he was straight up the best coach available. He even invokes a former black Knicks legend not getting an NBA chance (Patrick is my favorite player and hasn't proved he can even win in college yet).

His tweet is ignorant and racist calling for a minority candidate to get a job based on the color of their skin, Last I checked that wasn't the type of equality we are striving for, but the type of bias we are trying to get rid of. He only uses Thibs professional critiques to support the agenda that this white coach with these faults is getting another job over minority candidates who haven't had a chance. He just doesn't realize these candidates haven't had their chance yet, just like the white candidates who didn't get the Knicks job. The opportunity will come.

I respect the stance on an equality level but calling out the organization that really has mere led the way in minority/black hirings for the better part of 20 years is weak. I don't see him banging on Oklahoma city who has a white owner, GM, and coach. How about Orlando or LA? Dallas? What about Washington? Why is he not proclaiming that these front offices have no minority representation?

newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:8 of the last 13 Knicks head coaches were black, 7 if you take into account Herb Williams was used twice.

I am very careful discussing racial topics because it usually just ends up with emotion getting in the way (that goes both ways). However David West is out and out wrong here, especially making such comments about a team that has gone about hiring so many minorities. The Knicks have had several times when the full front office was minorities (Pres. GM. Coach), they have repeatedly shown that color no bearing on who they hire.

I respect the message but saying it is racism just because the guy they happen to have hired is white is irresponsible and ignorant. And I love David West as a player. Someone said it before, it trivializes those instances where true racism and bigotry do rear it's ugly head. You can be against hiring Thibs on a professional level, but given that he was the most proven and most successful and had the most proven track record and probably was the most stable(based on experience) of the realistically available coaches, to push all that aside and verbalize, as David West did, that he was just hired because he was white is ignorant. Couldn't it have been the fact after all the horrible decisions they have made, the Knicks needed the most seemingly stable, most solid track record candidate with possibly the least chance to fail?

But just as a white person getting a job just because they are white is wrong, so is calling to hire any minority just because they are a minority is wrong also.

I was not familiar with alot of the out of town interviewees, so I have an open question to anyone: Did any candidate have any comparable past success/track record to Thibs?

yea well maybe you havent been paying attention thats not viewed as a positive here by the anti Thibs crowd which is basically 3 guys saying the same things over and over in every thread.

Thibs wins, makes players better and makes teams better. The improvements when he takes over and slippage when he leaves cant be denied, it can only be spun... so I present you with this argument: "retread"

Imagine interviewing for a job you have demonstrated every desirable skill for an even have the track record to support those skills, yet you were passed over for someone with no experience but pretty ideas because you were a retread.

Joe I am with you. Thibs may or may not work out but he's an excellent coach who coaches to the strengths of his roster. Its a good hire, despite what the retread posters say

I agree with you on your post knicks hiring minority coaches mostly black coaches over last 20 years has been more then any other team. My thing is with people like david west he needs get facts right the knicks have hired more black coaches in 20 year stretch then whole of the nfl, mlb, or nhl has done combined. You know how the nfl needs rooney rule to give black coaches intervies the knicks just hire them more often actually give them chance just in certain cases it hasn't worked out. Look how steve mills and isiah thomas stayed on the knicks for a long period time before getting fired and they got plenty of chances and years they shouldn't have gotten.

Don’t believe West was specifically talking about the Knicks, but in general. But I feel the NBA has been pretty good in terms of diversity in coaching. The baggage that Mark Jackson has been said to have wit him in GS is alarming. Thibs continually failing up is also too strong of a statement. He failed in Minny, but I wouldn’t say he failed in Chi.

With Thibs I do have concerns though. The talent on the Bulls and Wolves teams far exceed the talent on this Knicks team. And we have yet to see Thibs be asked to build up a team at this stage we are currently in. Also don’t like that he is 62 given the makeup of the team.

But he looks like he will be the coach. So like anyone else I will give him the chance to fail or succeed. If he does fail though then I will say it’s not a good look on Rose more than anyone else.

He specifically mentioned them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/david-west-upset-knicks-reportedly-014245753.html
http://
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.talkbasket.net/96588-david-west-not-happy-with-the-knicks-hiring-tom-thibodeau%3famp

I can't cut figure out how to cut and paste the articles but he targets Tom and the Knicks and specifically intimates that they didn't want to hire a black coach.

His exact tweets.

Man how many times can u fail up as a black head coach....

I feel for the young players who's development will stagnate but they will be blamed for not working hard....

Young players run for the hills...

Literally destroys guys yet gets chance after chance....

How many opportunities has Mark Jackson gotten?

Ty Lue been given another shot at leading a team?

Patrick Ewing got a shot at NBA job yet or I missed that?

Non of these tweets speak on the Knicks specifically having any type of discriminatory hiring practices. Which even if he did elude to that. It wouldn't be backed by anything of substance. As Knicks hired back to back black head coaches in Mike Woodson & Derek Fisher. And hired a black head coach just 2 seasons ago in Fizdale. Between Woodson, Fisher, Hornacek, Fizdale & Thibs. 3 out of the last 5 head coaches who started out the season were black.

You did not quote them in context. He replied to a direct tweet saying he was hired

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287083587163041792

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1287094496384233472

Were these direct enough to possibly put together that he was talking about the Knicks?

Nah, it comes off more as him just not liking Thibs as a coach. All his tweets were consistent in trashing Thibs as a coach. He did elude to a perceived double standard. But I don't believe his double standard comments were specifically targeting the Knicks, as if they have a history of doing so. Thibs getting another chance but Mark Jackson or Tyrone Lue not having jobs which he eluded to isn't specifically on the Knicks. Thibs could have gotten hired by Houston after MDA eventually gets let go. West would be saying the same thing about how does Thibs get another shot but Lue or Mark Jackson don't. Ewing not having a head coaching job isn't specifically on the Knicks. It goes after any team that had a coaching vacancy but passed on Ewing all these yrs. Knicks would be included in that list as would a ton of other teams.

Face value, bro. He brought the Knicks up to use as an example of a "retread" white coach getting another chance while young black coaches or black coaches in general don't get the same chances. Forget about the fact he was straight up the best coach available. He even invokes a former black Knicks legend not getting an NBA chance (Patrick is my favorite player and hasn't proved he can even win in college yet).

His tweet is ignorant and racist calling for a minority candidate to get a job based on the color of their skin, Last I checked that wasn't the type of equality we are striving for, but the type of bias we are trying to get rid of. He only uses Thibs professional critiques to support the agenda that this white coach with these faults is getting another job over minority candidates who haven't had a chance. He just doesn't realize these candidates haven't had their chance yet, just like the white candidates who didn't get the Knicks job. The opportunity will come.

I respect the stance on an equality level but calling out the organization that really has mere led the way in minority/black hirings for the better part of 20 years is weak. I don't see him banging on Oklahoma city who has a white owner, GM, and coach. How about Orlando or LA? Dallas? What about Washington? Why is he not proclaiming that these front offices have no minority representation?

We are saying a lot of the same things.

Feel it had more to do with his views of Thibs than him going after the Knicks though. Knicks just happen to be the team to make the hire. If Houston hired Thibs as was once reported he was in the running for. None of his tweets would need to be modified. He could literally put out the same exact tweets.

But that is the point. You can't go after the team that has lead the way in black and minority hirings for the past 20 years and say it is racist because they hired a white coach! That is race baiting. Because he is framing 1 hire (who is arguably the best hire out there) vs 20 years of positive minority/black relations, hires, I don't even know the word to use. It makes him sound stupid if you know the Knicks history and puts the Knicks in a bad light (through NO fault of their own, when they are actually very good with their racial equality philosophy). Making someone/business seem racist when they are obviously not is ignorant, dangerous, and irresponsible to the cause he says he is fighting for.

TripleThreat wrote:

joec32033 wrote:The Knicks have had several times when the full front office was minorities (Pres. GM. Coach), they have repeatedly shown that color no bearing on who they hire.

The irony is, of course, what the Knicks have done, WITHOUT CONTEXT, will be evidence to some that you shouldn't hire black coaches nor executives at all. If you have an all black front office regime and it fails again and again, what does that say?

Of course, WITH CONTEXT, having James Dolan as an inept owner and poor resource management ( trading away so many draft picks, poor use of the cap, etc) is more likely a larger culprit for failure.

This is a huge part of the problem. Social media leaves little to no room for context. It allows people to say what they are thinking right as they think it without regard for introspection. And since the NBA cannot generate enough real basketball news to fill a 365/24/7 news cycle, the marketing machine fabricates fake/manipulated conflicts.

Ty Lue doesn't have the skill set or disposition to be a head coach in the NBA.

Mark Jackson and especially Patrick Ewing are a couple of huge ****ing morons. This is the conflict within the general media and sports media. It's apparently impossible for a black athlete or black coach or black executive in sports to be an imbecile. Saying it out loud makes you a target for being called a racist. Michael Vick was a low IQ quarterback in the NFL who happens to also have low life IQ. With the Jets, he had the same problems he had his entire career. But no one could just come out and say it. "Are you saying black people are stupid!" No, they want to say Michael Vick is stupid and whom just happens to be black. Just like Rich Kotite was stupid and just happened to be white. And like most stupid people, Vick ended up doing stupid **** like killing a bunch of dogs then getting caught doing it.

People also don't want to separate the player from the person from the non player career. Jordan was a true franchise player. He is also one of the worst executives in the history of any modern era professional sport.

Of course a low speed high drag mouthbreather like David West will immediately cite that Lue, Jackson and Ewing were all former players. Yes, and do good doctors make good executives to run an entire hospital? Does a great bartender or waitress mean they will be good at running an entire restaurant? Does a good street cop instantly make that person a great future chief of police? The job of being an NBA player is nothing like being an NBA coach nor being an NBA executive. A few rare ones are lucky enough to be skilled at both or all three, nearly all are not.

If David West was 5'8, he'd be working at a Sbarros. Fuck David West.

What has David West done to help the plight of black coaches in professional sports? He cries and demands but won't lift a finger on his own, sounds like a typical suburban stay at home entitled "Karen" who spends all their time doing Soul Cycle and sitting in a Starbucks expecting the lush life that Oprah promised her. David West doesn't need more black coaches, he needs to change his tampon.

As a Knicks diehard, I have nothing but love in my heart for Patrick Ewing the player. But fandom and homerism doesn't go far enough to escape the reality that Ewing is a total ****ing moron. You don't want someone with that toxic set of ego, narcissism, lack of self awareness, lack of critical thinking ability, lack of basic communication skills anywhere near young players and/or the media and/or other coaches/agents/owners/executives. Do you see any other team rushing to hire Patrick Ewing?

If "Karen" West needed his tampon changed and Patrick Ewing was tasked to do the job, guess what? You'd have a puddle of DNA on the ground large enough to keep every different cast of CSI happy and West would have a Kotex shoved in his right ear.

All hail Karen West, Queen of Sbarros

Now that was pretty funny Triple. I feel the need to PayPal u a .25 for the effort!😺

TripleThreat wrote:

As a Knicks diehard, I have nothing but love in my heart for Patrick Ewing the player. But fandom and homerism doesn't go far enough to escape the reality that Ewing is a total ****ing moron. You don't want someone with that toxic set of ego, narcissism, lack of self awareness, lack of critical thinking ability, lack of basic communication skills anywhere near young players and/or the media and/or other coaches/agents/owners/executives. Do you see any other team rushing to hire Patrick Ewing?

I would debate your vitriol against Ewing as a player, but it does not matter now any more. What matters is how good he could be as an NBA coach. Are there any specific facts about his assistant coaching gigs in the NBA and the current head coaching performance at Georgetown that justifies such an unflattering assessment of him?

Same for Mark Jackson, he may have had his flaws as a coach, but he was also pretty darn effective, certainly no more baggage and no fewer accomplishments than Thibs.

Now, I certainly do not think now is the time for Ewing to be given the head coaching job at the Knicks. And I would have preferred Atkinson over Jackson (and Thibs for that matter). But to call them morons, is it really fair or deserved?

ESOMKnicks wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

As a Knicks diehard, I have nothing but love in my heart for Patrick Ewing the player. But fandom and homerism doesn't go far enough to escape the reality that Ewing is a total ****ing moron. You don't want someone with that toxic set of ego, narcissism, lack of self awareness, lack of critical thinking ability, lack of basic communication skills anywhere near young players and/or the media and/or other coaches/agents/owners/executives. Do you see any other team rushing to hire Patrick Ewing?

I would debate your vitriol against Ewing as a player, but it does not matter now any more. What matters is how good he could be as an NBA coach. Are there any specific facts about his assistant coaching gigs in the NBA and the current head coaching performance at Georgetown that justifies such an unflattering assessment of him?

Same for Mark Jackson, he may have had his flaws as a coach, but he was also pretty darn effective, certainly no more baggage and no fewer accomplishments than Thibs.

Now, I certainly do not think now is the time for Ewing to be given the head coaching job at the Knicks. And I would have preferred Atkinson over Jackson (and Thibs for that matter). But to call them morons, is it really fair or deserved?

If you read up on Mark Jax he really made some bad judgements at GSW. Really bad.
Read up on his marriage issues.
Is that fair to call him a moron? This is just the public stuff. They guy was lucky enough to have gotten the job from the announcer Booth and because he was not vetted as an assistant and put in the work his deficiencies were very evident. does that mean he was a complete ineffective coach? No. But if you want to replicate the 55 wins you have to take the other stuff too. Has he demonstrated proficiency in the areas not strong in? Has he coached since?
Ewing has had a few assistant jobs but did not ascend with other organizations nor get interviews. Is he not being recommended? Let’s be real, the guys that are its because they have demonstrated themselves! Guys like Udoka and Harday are getting recommended and interviews. Ewing outside of being a “Knick great” as a player as not really established a great resume of work. If he did, he’d be our head coach by now.
Ewing was a great player but he was a dick. but he was our dick

ESOMKnicks wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

As a Knicks diehard, I have nothing but love in my heart for Patrick Ewing the player. But fandom and homerism doesn't go far enough to escape the reality that Ewing is a total ****ing moron. You don't want someone with that toxic set of ego, narcissism, lack of self awareness, lack of critical thinking ability, lack of basic communication skills anywhere near young players and/or the media and/or other coaches/agents/owners/executives. Do you see any other team rushing to hire Patrick Ewing?

I would debate your vitriol against Ewing as a player, but it does not matter now any more. What matters is how good he could be as an NBA coach. Are there any specific facts about his assistant coaching gigs in the NBA and the current head coaching performance at Georgetown that justifies such an unflattering assessment of him?

Same for Mark Jackson, he may have had his flaws as a coach, but he was also pretty darn effective, certainly no more baggage and no fewer accomplishments than Thibs.

Now, I certainly do not think now is the time for Ewing to be given the head coaching job at the Knicks. And I would have preferred Atkinson over Jackson (and Thibs for that matter). But to call them morons, is it really fair or deserved?

Of course not! Its a stigma and stereotype usually reserved for black athletes. Ewing is a moron? What evidence is there to show that he lacks critical thinking skills? This dude types chapters and usually reserves a paragraph or two where he goes on these rants that is very revealing.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

As a Knicks diehard, I have nothing but love in my heart for Patrick Ewing the player. But fandom and homerism doesn't go far enough to escape the reality that Ewing is a total ****ing moron. You don't want someone with that toxic set of ego, narcissism, lack of self awareness, lack of critical thinking ability, lack of basic communication skills anywhere near young players and/or the media and/or other coaches/agents/owners/executives. Do you see any other team rushing to hire Patrick Ewing?

I would debate your vitriol against Ewing as a player, but it does not matter now any more. What matters is how good he could be as an NBA coach. Are there any specific facts about his assistant coaching gigs in the NBA and the current head coaching performance at Georgetown that justifies such an unflattering assessment of him?

Same for Mark Jackson, he may have had his flaws as a coach, but he was also pretty darn effective, certainly no more baggage and no fewer accomplishments than Thibs.

Now, I certainly do not think now is the time for Ewing to be given the head coaching job at the Knicks. And I would have preferred Atkinson over Jackson (and Thibs for that matter). But to call them morons, is it really fair or deserved?

I think it's fair to ask, Since these guys are such high profile and made their desires known to be interviewed for a head coaching position, why haven't they even sniffed a first round interview?

Mark Jackson is on TV once a week during NBA games and practically begs for a chance. In the very least he has the supposed backdrop of building up the GSW before the took off to be one of the greatest teams ever. So why? Why isn't every franchise calling him?

It's not a question of They should be given a chance, it's Why have they ****ed up so much and/or not succeeded to garner more opportunities.

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

As a Knicks diehard, I have nothing but love in my heart for Patrick Ewing the player. But fandom and homerism doesn't go far enough to escape the reality that Ewing is a total ****ing moron. You don't want someone with that toxic set of ego, narcissism, lack of self awareness, lack of critical thinking ability, lack of basic communication skills anywhere near young players and/or the media and/or other coaches/agents/owners/executives. Do you see any other team rushing to hire Patrick Ewing?

I would debate your vitriol against Ewing as a player, but it does not matter now any more. What matters is how good he could be as an NBA coach. Are there any specific facts about his assistant coaching gigs in the NBA and the current head coaching performance at Georgetown that justifies such an unflattering assessment of him?

Same for Mark Jackson, he may have had his flaws as a coach, but he was also pretty darn effective, certainly no more baggage and no fewer accomplishments than Thibs.

Now, I certainly do not think now is the time for Ewing to be given the head coaching job at the Knicks. And I would have preferred Atkinson over Jackson (and Thibs for that matter). But to call them morons, is it really fair or deserved?

If you read up on Mark Jax he really made some bad judgements at GSW. Really bad.
Read up on his marriage issues.
Is that fair to call him a moron? This is just the public stuff. They guy was lucky enough to have gotten the job from the announcer Booth and because he was not vetted as an assistant and put in the work his deficiencies were very evident. does that mean he was a complete ineffective coach? No. But if you want to replicate the 55 wins you have to take the other stuff too. Has he demonstrated proficiency in the areas not strong in? Has he coached since?
Ewing has had a few assistant jobs but did not ascend with other organizations nor get interviews. Is he not being recommended? Let’s be real, the guys that are its because they have demonstrated themselves! Guys like Udoka and Harday are getting recommended and interviews. Ewing outside of being a “Knick great” as a player as not really established a great resume of work. If he did, he’d be our head coach by now.
Ewing was a great player but he was a dick. but he was our dick

Are you really trying to defend that guys post?!? He didn't call Ewing a d***, he said Ewing has lack of critical thinking skills! Terms like lack of critical thinking and or low IQ were/are terms that were usually reserved for black athletes and especially the black quarterbacks during the 70s, 80s and 90s. What evidence or proof are we using to determine that Ewing lacks critical thinking skills?

I am white and I have called plenty of people morons (most people actually) and seen people all the colors of the rainbow demonstrate, in some cases severe, lack of critical thinking skills.