BRIGGS wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:To me this is simply a retread of the past.
Tom T connects some of the end of the Knicks good years. Some fans still know he’s part of that.
But the reality is he had oodles of trouble in Minnesota and while he won in Chicago— something went very foul for them to cut bait.

I’m looking for the next Eric Spolestra — I want fresh and innovative. I really don’t care what skin color a coach is— neither do the players but at the end in Chicago and the whole in Minnesota— this guy was not good. That Jimmy Butler trade he made-/ one that got the bulls Zach LaVine scared me— that mentality is not where I want to go

You do realize that Spolestra only has a 53% regular season/39% playoff winning percentage minus Lebron, right?

They had to rebuild and he stayed competitive while they did it. I’d rather a 35-40 yo old coach. Someone who could grow w the team. Just didn’t go that way

Swishfm3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Uptown wrote:I'll say this, hiring Thibs is definitely a culture shift and the Knicks will finally have an identity. Last coach we hired that gave us a true identity was MDA.

MDA sucked here.... there wasn’t an identity because we never had the players he needed to run SSOL. The Knicks just wasted his time

We actually did, the pre melo knicks team was a d antoni team. Too bad we all knew what happened

Didn't like D'Antoni but we screwed him over like we did most coaches over the decades by not giving them a decent PG. Felton was as good as it got and D'Antoni did well with him. We have to fill the PG spot!

Didn't MDA have Marbury, Crawford and Randolph when he first came to NY?

Yeah he did, but that riff between Steph and MDA killed that season. I really thought MDA was going turned Steph into a MVP.

wargames wrote:A 5 year contract huh?

Does Leon Rose and WWW work for the Knicks or CAA? This contract makes me think it’s CAA they work for

The 5 years actually makes me happy. It tells me the Knicks FO is thinking long term, continuing the rebuild with youth, and won't be pressured into bringing a bunch of "Thibs" vets to try to get a quick fix. Leon said in his one interview that he's looking for a coach to go from development to becoming a winner. The 5 years allows Thibs to be more relaxed and focus on all the youth for a year or two, before expectations rise. It also tells me Dolan gave the Front Office a 5 year plan to build the Knicks properly.

joec32033 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Uptown wrote:I'll say this, hiring Thibs is definitely a culture shift and the Knicks will finally have an identity. Last coach we hired that gave us a true identity was MDA.

MDA sucked here.... there wasn’t an identity because we never had the players he needed to run SSOL. The Knicks just wasted his time

We actually did, the pre melo knicks team was a d antoni team. Too bad we all knew what happened

Didn't like D'Antoni but we screwed him over like we did most coaches over the decades by not giving them a decent PG. Felton was as good as it got and D'Antoni did well with him. We have to fill the PG spot!

Didn't MDA have Marbury, Crawford and Randolph when he first came to NY?

Yeah he did, but that riff between Steph and MDA killed that season. I really thought MDA was going turned Steph into a MVP.

MDA never coached Marbury here and only coached him 13 games in Phoenix before they traded him to NY.

Yes he did. From 2008.

D'Antoni offers playing time; Marbury refuses, but their stories differ
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With two moves, the New York Knicks created
salary space for a premier free agent down the line and playing time for Stephon
Marbury.

Except that Marbury declined.

After the Knicks traded Jamal Crawford to Golden State for Al Harrington, and sent Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins to the Los Angeles Clippers for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas, the bench was depleted. Needing the league-minimum eight active players to avoid a forfeit, coach Mike D'Antoni asked Marbury to dress.

D'Antoni said he told Marbury there would be 30 to 35 minutes of playing time available Friday against the Milwaukee Bucks.

However, the point guard again took his
now-customary spot on the bench, where he has spent every minute
this season, leaving the Knicks with only seven players in the
opener of games on back-to-back nights.

The Knicks lost to the Bucks, 104-87.

"When the trades went down this afternoon, I said, 'Look Steph, one of the principals are gone, Jamal Crawford. There's 30 to 35 minutes out there, and they're yours if you want them. Are you ready to go?' " D'Antoni said.

According to D'Antoni, Marbury replied that he "wasn't comfortable with the situation, and he did not want to play. So at that point, I go, 'O.K., that's your decision, and that's fine.' That's it."

Marbury had a different view of the
events.

"The only thing I'm at liberty to say is that I was told that
they were moving forward, and I'm not the person who chooses who
plays or doesn't," Marbury said.

But wasn't that at the beginning of the season?

"I was told that today, too," Marbury said.

According to the New York Post, Marbury said he taped his ankles in case he was needed.

"Refusing to play is when the coach tries to put you in the game and you say you're not going in," Marbury said, according to the paper. "If he asked me to go into the game, I was going into the game. That's why I taped my ankles."

New York's new additions might not be available to play until
Tuesday's game against Cleveland, leaving it considerably
short-handed for the time being.

"I thought it was an opportunity for him to play, and I was kind of hoping," D'Antoni said. "But at the same time, there's consideration of a lot of guys in that locker room that are giving their hearts out. And those are the guys that I'm going to go on with, and those are the guys that I'm going to love, and those are the guys that are going to compete every night."

The Knicks, still short-handed, beat the Wizards on Saturday, 122-117.

"Steph's a grown man," Knicks guard Chris Duhon said. "If he doesn't want to play, he doesn't want to play. It doesn't bother me at all. I was satisfied going to war with the seven guys we had."

D'Antoni said he did not consider Marbury's refusal to play an act of insubordination.

"He was in a tough situation," D'Antoni said. "I'm not mad at Steph. But that's enough of the talk because it is a distraction and we need to go forward and we have a new team coming in and we're going to get this done."

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Uptown wrote:I'll say this, hiring Thibs is definitely a culture shift and the Knicks will finally have an identity. Last coach we hired that gave us a true identity was MDA.

MDA sucked here.... there wasn’t an identity because we never had the players he needed to run SSOL. The Knicks just wasted his time

We actually did, the pre melo knicks team was a d antoni team. Too bad we all knew what happened

Didn't like D'Antoni but we screwed him over like we did most coaches over the decades by not giving them a decent PG. Felton was as good as it got and D'Antoni did well with him. We have to fill the PG spot!

Didn't MDA have Marbury, Crawford and Randolph when he first came to NY?

Yeah he did, but that riff between Steph and MDA killed that season. I really thought MDA was going turned Steph into a MVP.

Me too, but I think D'Antoni came here determined not to give him a clean slate or a proper chance. Maybe Marbury was on a rapid decline at that point, but I was so disappointed at the time that they both never gave it a proper chance.

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Uptown wrote:I'll say this, hiring Thibs is definitely a culture shift and the Knicks will finally have an identity. Last coach we hired that gave us a true identity was MDA.

MDA sucked here.... there wasn’t an identity because we never had the players he needed to run SSOL. The Knicks just wasted his time

We actually did, the pre melo knicks team was a d antoni team. Too bad we all knew what happened

Didn't like D'Antoni but we screwed him over like we did most coaches over the decades by not giving them a decent PG. Felton was as good as it got and D'Antoni did well with him. We have to fill the PG spot!

Didn't MDA have Marbury, Crawford and Randolph when he first came to NY?

Yeah he did, but that riff between Steph and MDA killed that season. I really thought MDA was going turned Steph into a MVP.

I admire you admit this.

We were all like that back then! Remember those threads with the "kiss the rings" pic of IT every time he pulled off a trade, ha ha! All the drama made us cynical in the end, but back then we were so optimistic and it was just Islesfan who was seen as the negative naysayer of doom

I hated Isiah the moment he slithered in to MSG. The Marbury trade and his classless dismissal of Chaney and the failure to hire Fratello that lead to the clumsy hire of Wilkens. So inept from the beginning.
All I recall was MDA had publicly hoped Marbles would come to camp in shape. Marbury fans blamed MDA after he did and statistically played well. why had he have to have made that request? Did Marbury not come into previous season in shape? That he did not play, did not take a buy out and then in Boston stunk it up was telling.

Blame??? MDA never had his team in his tenure here. Marbles was over the top empowered by Isiah. Neither succeeded. Who cares why.

Jimbo5 wrote:Its been reported that Thibs has learned his lesson, that he is willing to change his ways but honestly the only thing i want him to adjust is his load management during the games. Spread the minutes a little more. Im hoping he continues his hard, long, intense practices. That is exactly what our young core needs. They need to be molded and not cuddled. You can see Fiz employing the cuddling approach, treating his players as friends you can see it made them soft on the court.

Haha this is great... I’m just hoping Thibs can find a happy medium between cuddling time and near execution. I hope that he is able to relate to our young core. I’m not a fan and the only optimism I can muster is from the 5 year contract he got which hopefully shows commitment to the cause.

Be interesting to see what he makes of Frankie among others.

Jimbo5 wrote:Its been reported that Thibs has learned his lesson, that he is willing to change his ways but honestly the only thing i want him to adjust is his load management during the games. Spread the minutes a little more. Im hoping he continues his hard, long, intense practices. That is exactly what our young core needs. They need to be molded and not cuddled. You can see Fiz employing the cuddling approach, treating his players as friends you can see it made them soft on the court.

I'm with you on this. I think RJ, Mitch, and Frank are going to thrive with Thibs and all become All-Stars.