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3/12/2020  7:40 AM
I like Paul, but we missed the opportunity. You could have got him with draft compensation this offseason. If we take him on it should just be a salary dump, we can’t give up draft compensation. I would imagine Presti will get DSJR, Randle and a pick from Dallas.

But the money really isn’t the issue really. No one is coming here and if he can come and whip the young guys in shape and put them in the right position and increase value it’s probably the right move.

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3/12/2020  10:32 AM
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Sambakick wrote:If the season ends, thats a lot of revenue the NBA doesn't get. The Salary cap already was projected to decrease 3% or so due to Morey's tweet. Now Covid could end it and lop off another 20%.

Huge implications to the cap and league finances.

Also- do you play the remaining games? Do you have a post season? If not how do you decide the draft order? How do you do the draft?

Think Windhurst said the league might use it as an opportunity to move the start of the NBA season to December (which some have wanted to do for a while).

This thing is here for months and is likely to get much much worse- tough to see what the solution is for the NBA

I had not heard that before. What's the backstory as to why? And wouldn't it push playoffs til the early summer? Was that the intention too?

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3/12/2020  2:19 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Sambakick wrote:If the season ends, thats a lot of revenue the NBA doesn't get. The Salary cap already was projected to decrease 3% or so due to Morey's tweet. Now Covid could end it and lop off another 20%.

Huge implications to the cap and league finances.

Also- do you play the remaining games? Do you have a post season? If not how do you decide the draft order? How do you do the draft?

Think Windhurst said the league might use it as an opportunity to move the start of the NBA season to December (which some have wanted to do for a while).

This thing is here for months and is likely to get much much worse- tough to see what the solution is for the NBA

I had not heard that before. What's the backstory as to why? And wouldn't it push playoffs til the early summer? Was that the intention too?

Can't remember what podcast it was on, but here's an article about the logic:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/hawks-ceo-steve-koonin-proposes-to-start-nba-season-in-december-league-is-open-to-the-idea/

For many casual fans, the NBA doesn't really start until Christmas, when the league takes over the sports world for one of their marquee days. But what if the actual opening night was in December? That's what Atlanta Hawks CEO Steve Koonin proposed in a presentation at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference on Friday. And as it turns out, the league is open to the idea.
Under Koonin's idea, the league would push the start of the season from mid-October to mid-December, in order to avoid much of the football season. The Finals, then, would take place sometime in August, with the NBA Draft, free agency and Summer League shifting back in the calendar as well.
"A big piece is you don't have to reinvent the wheel to enhance ratings," Koonin said. "Sometimes, moving away from competition is a great way to grow ratings."

That's obviously quite a radical proposal, and would need to not only be further fleshed out, but accepted by everyone from the players to broadcast partners. Even so, we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. According to Evan Wasch, the NBA's senior VP of strategy and analytics, the league is open to the idea. Via ESPN:
"We certainly have no issue with reconsidering the calendar. To Steve's point, you have to think about the other stakeholders. They need to get more comfortable with the Finals in August, rather than June, where traditionally the household viewership is a lot lower. But the flip side of that argument is there hasn't been a lot of premium content in that window, which explains why viewership is lower. We're open to that ... there's no magic to [the season going from] October to June."
"None of the ideas we are talking about now are new ideas. The question is not, are we just reacting to what's happening with ratings or what's happening with injuries or player loads or things like that. It is a question of, 'Can you make a better product?'"

There's a whole lot to consider here, and the league isn't going to be altering the schedule so extensively any time soon -- something this big needs a whole lot more discussion and consideration from so many different groups.
But as Adam Silver and Co. have shown with their other recent proposals -- reducing games, an in-season tournament, re-seeding in the playoffs -- this current leadership group is open to bold ideas. Even if it isn't this exact proposal, it wouldn't be a shock to see the league move the schedule around in some way over the next decade or so.

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3/12/2020  4:20 PM
^ interesting, thanks.
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3/12/2020  9:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2020  9:09 PM

Christian Wood is the type of player you roll you cap over for..... Knicks should offer him 18-20 mil for 3 years guaranteed with a 4th year team option. He’s been killing bigs all year both PFs and Centers. His 3 pt shot is good enough that he won’t clog the lane with RJ and Mitch.

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3/12/2020  9:44 PM

Here is another good piece we could add with cap space. The Nyets are capped out, we should be seriously SERIOUSLY considering Kenny Atkinson for the coaching spot, and his system in a lot of ways benefitted Harris game due to its use of screens to get shooters open. Also he is a 2/3 and would allow RJ to stay at Sg where he has more of an advantage and would be a legit 3pt threat to open lanes and make RJ and Mitch’s life easier. He would probably want a 15 mil a year deal, and we would have the cap space needed to do it. Also after all these years of the Nyets going out their way to attempt to screw us. Coming away with both their coach and one of their starters would feel sweet.

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3/12/2020  11:12 PM
Reason to move to have finals in August? They would own it. The can stop competing with NFL. They see what a big deal Summer league, draft and free agency creates so they could monetize July and August. They will hurt MLB. Why try to battle NFL anymore?[]’’
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3/12/2020  11:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2020  7:46 AM
wargames wrote:

Here is another good piece we could add with cap space. The Nyets are capped out, we should be seriously SERIOUSLY considering Kenny Atkinson for the coaching spot, and his system in a lot of ways benefitted Harris game due to its use of screens to get shooters open. Also he is a 2/3 and would allow RJ to stay at Sg where he has more of an advantage and would be a legit 3pt threat to open lanes and make RJ and Mitch’s life easier. He would probably want a 15 mil a year deal, and we would have the cap space needed to do it. Also after all these years of the Nyets going out their way to attempt to screw us. Coming away with both their coach and one of their starters would feel sweet.

I like Harris. I say bring in both he and Gallinari. Real shooters.

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3/12/2020  11:57 PM
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Christian Wood is the type of player you roll you cap over for..... Knicks should offer him 18-20 mil for 3 years guaranteed with a 4th year team option. He’s been killing bigs all year both PFs and Centers. His 3 pt shot is good enough that he won’t clog the lane with RJ and Mitch.

This guys is screaming to me he is a Jerome James type signing. There is no way they should go crazy money on this guy. I understand the need for getting trying to be proactive but players who all of a sudden play well because of increased playing time in a contract year do not have a good track record (same can be said for Criss in G.S.). Offer a little above market value and see what happens. Would hate for this guy to be a Jeremy Lin type of contract. Gotta be smart.

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3/13/2020  6:59 AM
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wargames wrote:

Christian Wood is the type of player you roll you cap over for..... Knicks should offer him 18-20 mil for 3 years guaranteed with a 4th year team option. He’s been killing bigs all year both PFs and Centers. His 3 pt shot is good enough that he won’t clog the lane with RJ and Mitch.

This guys is screaming to me he is a Jerome James type signing. There is no way they should go crazy money on this guy. I understand the need for getting trying to be proactive but players who all of a sudden play well because of increased playing time in a contract year do not have a good track record (same can be said for Criss in G.S.). Offer a little above market value and see what happens. Would hate for this guy to be a Jeremy Lin type of contract. Gotta be smart.

Might not be able to give crazy money as the cap might have a big reduction (and with it all the max salary scales shrink) due to the huge loss of revenue if the season is ultimately cancelled. Unless the NBA decided to freeze the cap.

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3/13/2020  9:18 AM
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joec32033 wrote:
wargames wrote:

Christian Wood is the type of player you roll you cap over for..... Knicks should offer him 18-20 mil for 3 years guaranteed with a 4th year team option. He’s been killing bigs all year both PFs and Centers. His 3 pt shot is good enough that he won’t clog the lane with RJ and Mitch.

This guys is screaming to me he is a Jerome James type signing. There is no way they should go crazy money on this guy. I understand the need for getting trying to be proactive but players who all of a sudden play well because of increased playing time in a contract year do not have a good track record (same can be said for Criss in G.S.). Offer a little above market value and see what happens. Would hate for this guy to be a Jeremy Lin type of contract. Gotta be smart.

Might not be able to give crazy money as the cap might have a big reduction (and with it all the max salary scales shrink) due to the huge loss of revenue if the season is ultimately cancelled. Unless the NBA decided to freeze the cap.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2020/3/10/21172281/christian-wood-detroit-pistons-analysis-free-agency-contract-stats

I think he is the real deal. Jerome James was a joke signing who went off for a few games. Wood started looking good last year, but it was a small sample. He’s had a tough luck career but overcame it.

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3/13/2020  9:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2020  9:58 AM
Also going to post this link about Josh Jackson. He’s not a starter in my opinion but he has upside having avg about 13 pts a game his whole career. 2021 is a great sf draft, but getting some high quality depth at that position for a cheap price would be a wise move short term. Josh is developing into a 2 way player and could be an affordable piece with upside on a good contract. He’s not a bust, 23 years old, and was a former 4th pick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bealestreetbears.com/2020/03/09/memphis-grizzlies-development-josh-jackson/amp/

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3/13/2020  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2020  1:13 PM
MS wrote:I like Paul, but we missed the opportunity. You could have got him with draft compensation this offseason. If we take him on it should just be a salary dump, we can’t give up draft compensation. I would imagine Presti will get DSJR, Randle and a pick from Dallas.

But the money really isn’t the issue really. No one is coming here and if he can come and whip the young guys in shape and put them in the right position and increase value it’s probably the right move.

Basically your saying we missed the opportunity to get paul, despite that insane contract, who last season played 58 games and had his LOWEST FG% IN HIS CAREER. He had a great season this year. Is it 40mm plus great? 17pts, 7 assists and I'll assume a treasure of intangibles. I'd take him but not that contract. Not even a thought to it.
Statistical prob he reverts back to his norm.
Kudos to him for coming to OKC and being a consummate pro. Do we actually utter those words given he now making over 40mil a year? Seriously, the guy has been great this year.
I was looking forward to seeing if he could hold up for a playoff run. He tends to not finish seasons healthy. NBA on hiatus might benefit him but lets not let that influence the future.
Playoffs.......we talking playoffs? I suppose if this guy can't get us there why we paying him 40mil. Thus, for this to happen this has to be a salary dump and WE ARE PAID to take him. I can't speak for OKC but until they have a sense of urgency to do that why should they?

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3/16/2020  6:07 AM
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I hope it doesn’t affect his health long term. He likely got the virus from giving Gobert that work in the game he played against the Pistons.

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3/16/2020  11:36 AM
wargames wrote:Also going to post this link about Josh Jackson. He’s not a starter in my opinion but he has upside having avg about 13 pts a game his whole career. 2021 is a great sf draft, but getting some high quality depth at that position for a cheap price would be a wise move short term. Josh is developing into a 2 way player and could be an affordable piece with upside on a good contract. He’s not a bust, 23 years old, and was a former 4th pick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bealestreetbears.com/2020/03/09/memphis-grizzlies-development-josh-jackson/amp/

The biggest issue for him has been character/legal issues. If he has figured things out he might be worth checking out. I thought he was headed for being out of the league.
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3/17/2020  1:05 PM
Begley reporting that the Knicks are interested in Christian Wood. Wood was having a great season but is another guy with rumored character issues earlier in his career.
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3/17/2020  4:15 PM
Scraping the barrel for content.
We are hungry for rumors......
Begly in his article compares wood to KP and how getting him would change the view on the KP trade. Is that really a tangable aspect?
Ian, why not use Randle? His played all his games in NY and had numbers close. Nalod not saying Randle is as good as KP.
Wood the new Whiteside? Break out and then a rocky career in the aftermath?
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3/17/2020  9:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Begley reporting that the Knicks are interested in Christian Wood. Wood was having a great season but is another guy with rumored character issues earlier in his career.

THIS is the type of move the Knicks should be pursuing, not Paul or Melo. Grabbing Young FA's, who are trending up. He's only 24 so the character issues could be immaturity.

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