knicks1248 wrote:
You do realize that Morris could have walked for nothing right? Look we understand that you don’t believe in draft picks/youth UNLESS we trade all them for veterans. The problem is we did that for over a decade with awful results. Accumulating as many assets as we can will help down the road when we do want to acquire certain players without giving up everything we have like we did so many times before. By the way we can easily resign Morris this summer in fact it wouldn’t surprise me

we have been trying the youth thing for over 6 yrs..and manage to have the worse record in the NBA doing it.

In the process everybody is getting fired, and no player is really getting better..

And stop exaggerating (about me not wanting youth, and trading all of our picks) to prove a point.
I never said that, that would be stupid, I always state a mix and a balance is the proper way to build.

Your points make no sense. The question raised was what would your rather have Morris or the 27th pick......you supported this question. Quite frankly it's not an either/or situation making the question both uneducated and fairly obtuse which speaks of someone not knowing what is going on nor paying attention. So let's take a remedial class and walk through it........

- Morris was an expiring $15 Million contract on a team finishing in the lottery.
- After this year - Morris had no trade-able value for the Knicks
- The Knicks traded Morris for 1st & 2nd round picks after roughly 5/8 of the season and paying him approximately $9.5 MM worth of salary
- If the Knicks kept Morris for the full season - they would not have received 1st and 2nd round picks - nor would they have been guaranteed Morris returns next year
- Morris was traded to a team contending for a title - which should make him pretty happy - not to mention potentially put more $$ in his pockets
- The Knicks have a chance to re-sign Morris next season

So the results:

Knicks get 1st and 2nd rounders and a chance to resign Morris next season

or

Knicks get nothing - and a chance to resign Morris next season

For some reason - you are choosing the latter - which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants.

The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.

what makes you think this was on impulse?

I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP

If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss

the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach

the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year

in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo

Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.

we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile

We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.

Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.

To replace anyone on the hot seat with someone with no experience, to parachute in mid season, is impulsive.

I did not see any parachute to be fair. Beyond that I may be mistaken for defending Dolan

Maybe because you wearing the official Frank Ntilikina [leon] rose colored glasses (TM).

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OasisBU wrote:We have been bad for so long that I am used to it. The team is dysfunctional and has been for decades at this point (there were some flashes of hope in there but overall it’s been bad).

I have been watching the Knicks since the early 90’s, followed them religiously through the Phil Jackson years. But at this point I have started to lose interest. I don’t even know the players or the coaching staff anymore. Part of it is life is busy with a family and work but I also just can’t take the mediocrity anymore.

I still love the game and hope the Knicks build a team that can contend one day.

It’s not easy. As a wee lad I had the experience of the 1973 team and the glory. When your childhood team wins a chip its indelible. Maybe better days ahead!

foosballnick wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:
You do realize that Morris could have walked for nothing right? Look we understand that you don’t believe in draft picks/youth UNLESS we trade all them for veterans. The problem is we did that for over a decade with awful results. Accumulating as many assets as we can will help down the road when we do want to acquire certain players without giving up everything we have like we did so many times before. By the way we can easily resign Morris this summer in fact it wouldn’t surprise me

we have been trying the youth thing for over 6 yrs..and manage to have the worse record in the NBA doing it.

In the process everybody is getting fired, and no player is really getting better..

And stop exaggerating (about me not wanting youth, and trading all of our picks) to prove a point.
I never said that, that would be stupid, I always state a mix and a balance is the proper way to build.

Your points make no sense. The question raised was what would your rather have Morris or the 27th pick......you supported this question. Quite frankly it's not an either/or situation making the question both uneducated and fairly obtuse which speaks of someone not knowing what is going on nor paying attention. So let's take a remedial class and walk through it........

- Morris was an expiring $15 Million contract on a team finishing in the lottery.
- After this year - Morris had no trade-able value for the Knicks
- The Knicks traded Morris for 1st & 2nd round picks after roughly 5/8 of the season and paying him approximately $9.5 MM worth of salary
- If the Knicks kept Morris for the full season - they would not have received 1st and 2nd round picks - nor would they have been guaranteed Morris returns next year
- Morris was traded to a team contending for a title - which should make him pretty happy - not to mention potentially put more $$ in his pockets
- The Knicks have a chance to re-sign Morris next season

So the results:

Knicks get 1st and 2nd rounders and a chance to resign Morris next season

or

Knicks get nothing - and a chance to resign Morris next season

For some reason - you are choosing the latter - which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

You can't change the culture until you start winning, you can't develop youth without vets like Kidd and the Morris types, and to be honest how good have we been at drafting (avg at best)

I Wasn't completely against trading him, but it certainly would have been more to it then a draft pick...If they win the title they will get the very last pick in the 1st rnd in a weak draft class..

The more you lose the more you change your coach, the players, the GM, the president every 3 to 6 months, and then we turn around and draft a 3 yr project, lose a bunch more in the process..(it's been a vicious cycle..

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Get the feeling that the longer we go without anything official from MSG, or Rose, about taking the job. Like a press conference, the more likely Rose is going to clean house. Including coach and GM.

Rose has a lot of untangling to do, wouldn't take away anything more than that.