Allanfan20 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

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Stupid Idiotic Trade !!!

The past 2 seasons D.Russell performance showed he is a SG having combo-guard skills.
Putting D.Lo in a lineup with RJ Barrett is the same as the lineup of Trier & RJ Barrett.

Maybe this is what Mills is sad about if he is indeed upset at all.

I like Russell a lot but giving up a big AND an unprotected first is a no go for me. Not worth that much.

True. Maybe he stormed out when fat Dolan said he would not approve any deals. Until he hires a new Prez and GM. We can only hope.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mills is at the poker table now wondering where all the suckers are...

we are going to get fleeced by GS

I agree with Fishmike. No disrespect to D.RUssel but price is way tooo high and stinks of desperation. Think about it. Why is GS looking to get rid of him.

it just feels like any Russell trade gets us played. Im not crazy attached to anyone on the roster but there are some guys you want to hang on to.

Mitch and Frank are the only guys who play D... so makes sense well trade them first

Ug.. this is a rough time to be a Knick fan. Its so scary! Halp!

Agree about Mitch. No way Frank can be classified as having the same impact. Would not mind including him for D Russ. Unfortunately Frank has had 3 Years to improve and become an impact player. Smith and Allen held Brogdon to minimal points and low shooting percentage on Saturday. Not exactly great defenders but they did a good job.
We also held a good team to 85 points. Yet no Frank. Would actually like to keep Dotson over Frank. He has shown improvement year over year and seems to impact a game more. However, if given a choice, would rather keep all the youngins. Plan should be to trade all vets to win now teams. Except for maybe Morris unless we can get a first for him. GS is putting on the poker face. Only desperate teams looking to do some damage in the playoffs would offer this many assets and a first for DRuss.

For me both have similar impact on D and Frank much smarter at it. Man defense so hard to gauge.

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mills is at the poker table now wondering where all the suckers are...

we are going to get fleeced by GS

I agree with Fishmike. No disrespect to D.RUssel but price is way tooo high and stinks of desperation. Think about it. Why is GS looking to get rid of him.

it just feels like any Russell trade gets us played. Im not crazy attached to anyone on the roster but there are some guys you want to hang on to.

Mitch and Frank are the only guys who play D... so makes sense well trade them first

Ug.. this is a rough time to be a Knick fan. Its so scary! Halp!

Agree about Mitch. No way Frank can be classified as having the same impact. Would not mind including him for D Russ. Unfortunately Frank has had 3 Years to improve and become an impact player. Smith and Allen held Brogdon to minimal points and low shooting percentage on Saturday. Not exactly great defenders but they did a good job.
We also held a good team to 85 points. Yet no Frank. Would actually like to keep Dotson over Frank. He has shown improvement year over year and seems to impact a game more. However, if given a choice, would rather keep all the youngins. Plan should be to trade all vets to win now teams. Except for maybe Morris unless we can get a first for him. GS is putting on the poker face. Only desperate teams looking to do some damage in the playoffs would offer this many assets and a first for DRuss.

For me both have similar impact on D and Frank much smarter at it. Man defense so hard to gauge.

Was talking about all around impact. Mitch can do it with his rebounding, blocks AND offense.

They play different positions and have different impacts.

Watching the Game tonite its as DSjr best showing, frank off the ball was clutch, and Knox himself a good game.
Randle not bombing was tough inside.
Sure its the Cavs, but we just won 2nd in a row on the road.

Rozier vs. Russell?

Starphuch Trade deadline dreaming. Not the time to rebuild the franchise. Or is it?

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mills is at the poker table now wondering where all the suckers are...

we are going to get fleeced by GS

I agree with Fishmike. No disrespect to D.RUssel but price is way tooo high and stinks of desperation. Think about it. Why is GS looking to get rid of him.

it just feels like any Russell trade gets us played. Im not crazy attached to anyone on the roster but there are some guys you want to hang on to.

Mitch and Frank are the only guys who play D... so makes sense well trade them first

Ug.. this is a rough time to be a Knick fan. Its so scary! Halp!

Agree about Mitch. No way Frank can be classified as having the same impact. Would not mind including him for D Russ. Unfortunately Frank has had 3 Years to improve and become an impact player. Smith and Allen held Brogdon to minimal points and low shooting percentage on Saturday. Not exactly great defenders but they did a good job.
We also held a good team to 85 points. Yet no Frank. Would actually like to keep Dotson over Frank. He has shown improvement year over year and seems to impact a game more. However, if given a choice, would rather keep all the youngins. Plan should be to trade all vets to win now teams. Except for maybe Morris unless we can get a first for him. GS is putting on the poker face. Only desperate teams looking to do some damage in the playoffs would offer this many assets and a first for DRuss.

For me both have similar impact on D and Frank much smarter at it. Man defense so hard to gauge.

Was talking about all around impact. Mitch can do it with his rebounding, blocks AND offense.

They play different positions and have different impacts.

For me, Mitch uses his athleticism and length on defense but Frank uses his length and IQ on defense and this is a good example of it. No way Mitch makes the rotations like this and Frank does this all the time.

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https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1224522532130369536

I’d be super pissed if we moved frank he’s our best defensive player and a future stud esp off the bench. We are not that far off. You can see Miller building this team’s chemistry. It’s a shame he wasn’t coaching from the beginning of the year.

fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mills is at the poker table now wondering where all the suckers are...

we are going to get fleeced by GS

I agree with Fishmike. No disrespect to D.RUssel but price is way tooo high and stinks of desperation. Think about it. Why is GS looking to get rid of him.

it just feels like any Russell trade gets us played. Im not crazy attached to anyone on the roster but there are some guys you want to hang on to.

Mitch and Frank are the only guys who play D... so makes sense well trade them first

Ug.. this is a rough time to be a Knick fan. Its so scary! Halp!

Agree about Mitch. No way Frank can be classified as having the same impact. Would not mind including him for D Russ. Unfortunately Frank has had 3 Years to improve and become an impact player. Smith and Allen held Brogdon to minimal points and low shooting percentage on Saturday. Not exactly great defenders but they did a good job.
We also held a good team to 85 points. Yet no Frank. Would actually like to keep Dotson over Frank. He has shown improvement year over year and seems to impact a game more. However, if given a choice, would rather keep all the youngins. Plan should be to trade all vets to win now teams. Except for maybe Morris unless we can get a first for him. GS is putting on the poker face. Only desperate teams looking to do some damage in the playoffs would offer this many assets and a first for DRuss.

For me both have similar impact on D and Frank much smarter at it. Man defense so hard to gauge.

Was talking about all around impact. Mitch can do it with his rebounding, blocks AND offense.

They play different positions and have different impacts.

For me, Mitch uses his athleticism and length on defense but Frank uses his length and IQ on defense and this is a good example of it. No way Mitch makes the rotations like this and Frank does this all the time.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1224522532130369536

I’d be super pissed if we moved frank he’s our best defensive player and a future stud esp off the bench. We are not that far off. You can see Miller building this team’s chemistry. It’s a shame he wasn’t coaching from the beginning of the year.

Can you post DSJ and Payton's numbers tonight, or are we going to ignore the game those two had?

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mills is at the poker table now wondering where all the suckers are...

we are going to get fleeced by GS

I agree with Fishmike. No disrespect to D.RUssel but price is way tooo high and stinks of desperation. Think about it. Why is GS looking to get rid of him.

it just feels like any Russell trade gets us played. Im not crazy attached to anyone on the roster but there are some guys you want to hang on to.

Mitch and Frank are the only guys who play D... so makes sense well trade them first

Ug.. this is a rough time to be a Knick fan. Its so scary! Halp!

Agree about Mitch. No way Frank can be classified as having the same impact. Would not mind including him for D Russ. Unfortunately Frank has had 3 Years to improve and become an impact player. Smith and Allen held Brogdon to minimal points and low shooting percentage on Saturday. Not exactly great defenders but they did a good job.
We also held a good team to 85 points. Yet no Frank. Would actually like to keep Dotson over Frank. He has shown improvement year over year and seems to impact a game more. However, if given a choice, would rather keep all the youngins. Plan should be to trade all vets to win now teams. Except for maybe Morris unless we can get a first for him. GS is putting on the poker face. Only desperate teams looking to do some damage in the playoffs would offer this many assets and a first for DRuss.

For me both have similar impact on D and Frank much smarter at it. Man defense so hard to gauge.

Was talking about all around impact. Mitch can do it with his rebounding, blocks AND offense.

They play different positions and have different impacts.

For me, Mitch uses his athleticism and length on defense but Frank uses his length and IQ on defense and this is a good example of it. No way Mitch makes the rotations like this and Frank does this all the time.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1224522532130369536

I’d be super pissed if we moved frank he’s our best defensive player and a future stud esp off the bench. We are not that far off. You can see Miller building this team’s chemistry. It’s a shame he wasn’t coaching from the beginning of the year.

Can you post DSJ and Payton's numbers tonight, or are we going to ignore the game those two had?

You are such a Debby Downer it’s borderline pathetic. They all had good games.

You want to talk about them feel free, but **** off with the back handed crap like this

fitzfarm wrote:

Nalod wrote:Awe, we talking about making a difference. You don’t really watch the games do you?
Read about the threads, some are super stoked about Dennis surge to what he was.
Truth be told, I’d just as soon not make any big deals.
Really, I loved that Frank and Dennis in the back court. This was the hope at seasons start.

frank/Ellington
Dennis/Payton
Morris/RJ
Taj/mitch
Randle/Portis.

That was the plan. Shyt happens.
Now we know why Dennis is being coveted. Perhaps We should stick with plan A? Fiz is gone.

I agree... plus we get to add a lotto talent to the mix unless we go on a serious win streak

SMH..

The raptors fans were livid after Massi Gambled big time on trading for kawhi, and look what happen.

You call that a HIGH risk High Reward investment

You guys want to get good without sacrificing, you want to keep cap space, but yet No one seems to want to play here, you want to keep young guys that are not that talented, but in the next sentencing talk about needing more talent, you only want to acquire two way players with the perfect contract, but overlook the (one dimensional/limited skills) players we draft, or the 2nd tier talent we over pay.

You cant win around here....

There are some that think there's this awesome Morris trade that will net us a nice first round pick and 15 mill worth of expiring contracts in return...

Never mind is priceless leadership that everyone on the roster and FO has been praising..

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This is proof we have no long term strategy and have just switched to saving Mills ass! How have we gone from ‘oh we won’t sign players to max deals who don’t deserve it’ (ie aren’t KD) to ‘we won’t even happily pay a max contract we will also give up young players and picks too’. Just pathetic, typical knicks

But your getting back a 23 yr old all star..

Until Mitch gets a perimeter game, he's just a shot blocker that your not winning with, we could sign Harrel in the off season to substitute Mitch's loss.

The fact that Your 2nd round pick has more value than your lottery picks, says a lot about how we draft and develop. The package is the knicks trash

If you want a real PG your going to have to pay, or the knicks can continue their 20 yr search

Wanted us to draft Russell, do worry about his cap hit though. Agree he would improve the backcourt.
Believe he would work well with Barrett. Dont want to give up Mitch however. Does more than block shots, one of the best offensive rebounders as well. Tough player to replace with all of his intagibles.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-warriors-nixed-timberwolves-dangelo-russell-trade-offer

The Timberwolves reportedly have been asking for two first-round picks in exchange for Covington, and according to O'Connor, that has everything to do with their pursuit of Russell. It's possible Golden State would also be interested in a package including one first-rounder and a young player, and as O'Connor summarized, "there’s a deal to be made for Russell if the Wolves can come up with enough assets and don’t protect their own first-round pick."

If that were the case, Id offer Smith jr, and a first rounder from the Dallas trade. They would get back a PG who looks like he is turning the corner. Would make a good backup to Curry.

fishmike wrote:more I think about Russell the more I dont like the idea.

He's a TO prone jump shooter who doesnt get to the rim much, the line much or play much defense and gets paid like a star. Pass. Prove me wrong. Elf/Portis/Dotson and one of the Dallas picks with lottery protection or they get a future 2nd rounder. Let him go to Sota where he can KAT can average 30 a piece and win 40 games a year.

Yep.

He isn't the greatest at creating for his teammates based on assist ratio numbers. He's more of a scoring guard than a point, and I'm not convinced he's worth it.

I get that the draft is iffy this year, but I also heard on Knicks Film School that there have been very few point guards on highly successful teams in the past 10 years who have been high percentage of salary cap. There are really few PG's who've led teams to success who aren't Steph Curry.

Forget about just immediately following the trade, the reality is he's being paid quite a lot and would be the highest paid in the near future.

It's too much to pay a player that's not convincing as a real lead player on a good team.

How are the Warriors doing again? Oh right. The Nets had other pieces as can be evidenced by how they are doing this year without KD and with/without Kyrie.

It rings too similar to Marbury.

PresIke wrote:

fishmike wrote:more I think about Russell the more I dont like the idea.

He's a TO prone jump shooter who doesnt get to the rim much, the line much or play much defense and gets paid like a star. Pass. Prove me wrong. Elf/Portis/Dotson and one of the Dallas picks with lottery protection or they get a future 2nd rounder. Let him go to Sota where he can KAT can average 30 a piece and win 40 games a year.

Yep.

He isn't the greatest at creating for his teammates based on assist ratio numbers. He's more of a scoring guard than a point, and I'm not convinced he's worth it.

I get that the draft is iffy this year, but I also heard on Knicks Film School that there have been very few point guards on highly successful teams in the past 10 years who have been high percentage of salary cap. There are really few PG's who've led teams to success who aren't Steph Curry.

Forget about just immediately following the trade, the reality is he's being paid quite a lot and would be the highest paid in the near future.

It's too much to pay a player that's not convincing as a real lead player on a good team.

How are the Warriors doing again? Oh right. The Nets had other pieces as can be evidenced by how they are doing this year without KD and with/without Kyrie.

It rings too similar to Marbury.

Russell was good enough to lead the Nets to the playoffs without being star driven. mostly journeymen. As well as make the all star team that year. Room for improvement, but Russell already has shown he can get his team to punch above their weight.