Sambakick wrote:I love Elf.

Best holiday movie - shout out to Bob Newhart.
I like E Payton too. The vision and decision is really there at a high level. The jumper is not. I think he is more effective with less minutes and so is Frank. I want to see Frank Knox and Mitch in the 4th quarter as much as they are in the 2nd- I think their skills translate to the 4th quarter, and combined with Morris RJ and Randle I trust them more in tight spots.

Its about time Mitch took the shots the defense is giving him. Too many times Mitch has the ball, and his defender drops off to double a teammate of his, Mitch is frequently left wide open. Usually inside tbe arc, near the foul line. A little more than a foul shot, Mitch is so open. Will be less 4 on 5 at times, on offense. Will also make the D play him closer, when he starts hitting them.And easier to find cutting teammates.

GustavBahler wrote:Only caught the second half. Looks like Dotson is back. Surprised Smith jr. didnt get any minutes. Didnt have much elevation in his reverse attempts, the last game.Dont believe he has dunked once this season. Wish they would send him to G-League. Seems rather silly not to at this point.

Its about time Mitch took the shots the defense is giving him. Too many times Mitch has the ball, and his defender drops off to double a teammate of his, Mitch is frequently left wide open. Usually inside tbe arc, near the foul line. A little more than a foul shot, Mitch is so open. Will be less 4 on 5 at times, on offense. Will also make the D play him closer, when he starts hitting them.And easier to find cutting teammates.

I think I read an article not too long ago that stated DSJr has dunked exactly once this year. Gotta assume coaches wanted to see if game could be won and shortened PG rotation, even Frank got limited minutes.

Mitch can dunk spectacularly, that’s it. Kind of wonder why the likes of Mitch and Knox don’t get hammered for their lack of shooting the way Frank does; both are as inept as he is. And at least Frank can shoot FTs.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Only caught the second half. Looks like Dotson is back. Surprised Smith jr. didnt get any minutes. Didnt have much elevation in his reverse attempts, the last game.Dont believe he has dunked once this season. Wish they would send him to G-League. Seems rather silly not to at this point.

Its about time Mitch took the shots the defense is giving him. Too many times Mitch has the ball, and his defender drops off to double a teammate of his, Mitch is frequently left wide open. Usually inside tbe arc, near the foul line. A little more than a foul shot, Mitch is so open. Will be less 4 on 5 at times, on offense. Will also make the D play him closer, when he starts hitting them.And easier to find cutting teammates.

I think I read an article not too long ago that stated DSJr has dunked exactly once this year. Gotta assume coaches wanted to see if game could be won and shortened PG rotation, even Frank got limited minutes.

Mitch can dunk spectacularly, that’s it. Kind of wonder why the likes of Mitch and Knox don’t get hammered for their lack of shooting the way Frank does; both are as inept as he is. And at least Frank can shoot FTs.

Both Knox and Mitchell already have more big games than Frank. Knox has shown he can get hot from 3. Frank hasnt. I get the feeling Knox would look better on a team with less turmoil, Frank as well.

Frank was a lotto pick, with some pro experience. It was supposed to help him adjust to the NBA. We're in year 3.5, and still waiting on Frank to rise from the bottom of the league on offense.

He's made some strides as far as his handle, but the lack of an outside shot, makes it tough to give him major minutes. With his groin issues, which Frank has dealt with since before he played his first NBA game, might make it difficult to play him a lot of minutes anyway.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Only caught the second half. Looks like Dotson is back. Surprised Smith jr. didnt get any minutes. Didnt have much elevation in his reverse attempts, the last game.Dont believe he has dunked once this season. Wish they would send him to G-League. Seems rather silly not to at this point.

Its about time Mitch took the shots the defense is giving him. Too many times Mitch has the ball, and his defender drops off to double a teammate of his, Mitch is frequently left wide open. Usually inside tbe arc, near the foul line. A little more than a foul shot, Mitch is so open. Will be less 4 on 5 at times, on offense. Will also make the D play him closer, when he starts hitting them.And easier to find cutting teammates.

I think I read an article not too long ago that stated DSJr has dunked exactly once this year. Gotta assume coaches wanted to see if game could be won and shortened PG rotation, even Frank got limited minutes.

Mitch can dunk spectacularly, that’s it. Kind of wonder why the likes of Mitch and Knox don’t get hammered for their lack of shooting the way Frank does; both are as inept as he is. And at least Frank can shoot FTs.

Both Knox and Mitchell already have more big games than Frank. Knox has shown he can get hot from 3. Frank hasnt. I get the feeling Knox would look better on a team with less turmoil, Frank as well.

Frank was a lotto pick, with some pro experience. It was supposed to help him adjust to the NBA. We're in year 3.5, and still waiting on Frank to rise from the bottom of the league on offense.

He's made some strides as far as his handle, but the lack of an outside shot, makes it tough to give him major minutes. With his groin issues, which Frank has dealt with since before he played his first NBA game, might make it difficult to play him a lot of minutes anyway.

You kind of just made up some stuff as legit ways to evaluate players that has nothing to do with my premise of all 3 being poor offensive players.

You can do that with any player and pretty much any situation, don’t really add much

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Only caught the second half. Looks like Dotson is back. Surprised Smith jr. didnt get any minutes. Didnt have much elevation in his reverse attempts, the last game.Dont believe he has dunked once this season. Wish they would send him to G-League. Seems rather silly not to at this point.

Its about time Mitch took the shots the defense is giving him. Too many times Mitch has the ball, and his defender drops off to double a teammate of his, Mitch is frequently left wide open. Usually inside tbe arc, near the foul line. A little more than a foul shot, Mitch is so open. Will be less 4 on 5 at times, on offense. Will also make the D play him closer, when he starts hitting them.And easier to find cutting teammates.

I think I read an article not too long ago that stated DSJr has dunked exactly once this year. Gotta assume coaches wanted to see if game could be won and shortened PG rotation, even Frank got limited minutes.

Mitch can dunk spectacularly, that’s it. Kind of wonder why the likes of Mitch and Knox don’t get hammered for their lack of shooting the way Frank does; both are as inept as he is. And at least Frank can shoot FTs.

Both Knox and Mitchell already have more big games than Frank. Knox has shown he can get hot from 3. Frank hasnt. I get the feeling Knox would look better on a team with less turmoil, Frank as well.

Frank was a lotto pick, with some pro experience. It was supposed to help him adjust to the NBA. We're in year 3.5, and still waiting on Frank to rise from the bottom of the league on offense.

He's made some strides as far as his handle, but the lack of an outside shot, makes it tough to give him major minutes. With his groin issues, which Frank has dealt with since before he played his first NBA game, might make it difficult to play him a lot of minutes anyway.

You kind of just made up some stuff as legit ways to evaluate players that has nothing to do with my premise of all 3 being poor offensive players.

You can do that with any player and pretty much any situation, don’t really add much

Wow. You ask a nebulous question like

Mitch can dunk spectacularly, that’s it. Kind of wonder why the likes of Mitch and Knox don’t get hammered for their lack of shooting the way Frank does;

And expect what? To quantify why Frank doesnt get a pass with fans? What were you expecting, advanced stats? You're asking me to be specific about fans emotions. Now you're whining that Im not being specific enough. Nice.

Frank gets more criticism becuase he has been here longer and shown less. Dont know how much more specific I can be than that.

Trying to make the Knicks an offensive scoring team has always failed for the organization .. The Knicks could never get a scorer player having leadership qualities and a leadership head-coach at the same time after Red Holzman & Earl Pearl Monroe, and Pat Riley and Ewing.
The Knicks organization been lacking strong Leadership in the coaching-staff, and on the court in their players. Randle is a decent 27 minute role-player! Randle's not the player u make captain of a team, or the first option on offense. Randle's leadership performance does not compliment any of his teammates.

Three of the offseason veteran forwards (Randle, Portis, Morris) the Knicks added to the roster are clueless on defensive-switching, and making a decent screen or pick for teammates, plus the three players being in the rotation makes the Knicks weak and vulnerable on the defensive-end when Knick opponents has lots of ball-movement using picks and screens.
Taj Gibson may not be a scorer, but Gibson skills/experience and b.ball IQ happen to be the Knicks best forward on the Knicks roster to Start & finish games.
The Knicks young-core players could use more than one experience veteran on the roster.

Example .. DSJ has great hops without a quick first step, DSJ having a good big-man (DeAndre Jordan) to set a decent pick or screen to go around gives DSJ the one or two seconds he need to be a offensive weapon.