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anrst wrote:one thing you can count on no matter what is that our idiot coach will be DNP'ing Frank until he's off the roster. I doubt he even dresses for games this year. Will be wearing a suit on the end of the bench.

this post has no basis in reality. Fizdale took Frank to playoff games last year. Fizdale started Frank for several weeks to start the season and he started averaging close to 30mpg. What happened is after a decent start Frank shot 29% in the month of November and played himself right out of the rotation. The only thing stopping Frank is Frank. I mean what coach wants to work in guys who do nothing but play D and set up teammates? It didnt help that he couldnt stay healthy.

If Frank has a good tourney and has a good preseason he will 100% be in the rotation.

I don't know, anrst laid down a good point.. from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record). Yes, Fizdale did give Frank 30 minutes in 3 games within those 10 games, and the Knicks won 2 of those 3 games. After that, Fizdale gave Frank 16 to 19 minute per game throughout the remainder of the season, giving Frank 3 to 5 minute per quarter, by putting Mudiay in the rotation in the 7th game of the season. Plus in the Knicks 6th game of the regular season Fizdale replace 3 players in the starter lineup (Kanter/Thomas/Burke). The majority of NBA coaches would've cut down on those 3 players starter minute of playing time, rather than take them out of the starter lineup so early in the season. Tim Hardaway Jr. were the Knicks number one biggest weak area in the Starter and Finisher lineup, Fizdale took every starter out of the starter lineup except Timmy!
Frank's defensive presence on the court are very important for a win, especially when the Knicks want to stop opponents from getting easy passes in the passing-lane, and when the Knicks need a multi-defender to stop opponent PG/SG/SF scorers. DEFENSE win NBA championships!
I recall the Knicks record (23-33) when they traded for Mudiay on the February deadline in the 2017-18 season .. putting Mudiay at the point in the Knicks rotation lead the Knicks to have a 29-53 season, Mudiay were 6-20 as a Knick at the end of the 2017-18 season.

Frank was losing minutes because he was playing terribly. Also Trier and others emerged. Also statements like this:

from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record).

Dont have a ton of context when everyone watching knew the Knicks goal was to get shots for the kids and lose as many as possible.

Talk to me 15-20 games in this season. Fizdale has NBA players and some shooting. This is not a tank season.

Lets talk truth .. Frank loss minute for one reason only .. Defense win games .. And Fizdale's number one job for the Knicks front-office were to TANK the season for the number 1 draft pick Zion .. Duke's Zion had impressive stat numbers before ThanksGiving. And the Knicks record were 7-14 before ThanksGiving.

No, you really can't have Bruce Bowen types out there that can't hit a 3, much less anything out. His D took a couple of steps backward along with the rest of his game last year. If he can hit a shot he'll be fine this year though.

knicks1248 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:one thing you can count on no matter what is that our idiot coach will be DNP'ing Frank until he's off the roster. I doubt he even dresses for games this year. Will be wearing a suit on the end of the bench.

this post has no basis in reality. Fizdale took Frank to playoff games last year. Fizdale started Frank for several weeks to start the season and he started averaging close to 30mpg. What happened is after a decent start Frank shot 29% in the month of November and played himself right out of the rotation. The only thing stopping Frank is Frank. I mean what coach wants to work in guys who do nothing but play D and set up teammates? It didnt help that he couldnt stay healthy.

If Frank has a good tourney and has a good preseason he will 100% be in the rotation.

I don't know, anrst laid down a good point.. from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record). Yes, Fizdale did give Frank 30 minutes in 3 games within those 10 games, and the Knicks won 2 of those 3 games. After that, Fizdale gave Frank 16 to 19 minute per game throughout the remainder of the season, giving Frank 3 to 5 minute per quarter, by putting Mudiay in the rotation in the 7th game of the season. Plus in the Knicks 6th game of the regular season Fizdale replace 3 players in the starter lineup (Kanter/Thomas/Burke). The majority of NBA coaches would've cut down on those 3 players starter minute of playing time, rather than take them out of the starter lineup so early in the season. Tim Hardaway Jr. were the Knicks number one biggest weak area in the Starter and Finisher lineup, Fizdale took every starter out of the starter lineup except Timmy!
Frank's defensive presence on the court are very important for a win, especially when the Knicks want to stop opponents from getting easy passes in the passing-lane, and when the Knicks need a multi-defender to stop opponent PG/SG/SF scorers. DEFENSE win NBA championships!
I recall the Knicks record (23-33) when they traded for Mudiay on the February deadline in the 2017-18 season .. putting Mudiay at the point in the Knicks rotation lead the Knicks to have a 29-53 season, Mudiay were 6-20 as a Knick at the end of the 2017-18 season.

Frank was losing minutes because he was playing terribly. Also Trier and others emerged. Also statements like this:

from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record).

Dont have a ton of context when everyone watching knew the Knicks goal was to get shots for the kids and lose as many as possible.

Talk to me 15-20 games in this season. Fizdale has NBA players and some shooting. This is not a tank season.

Lets talk truth .. Frank loss minute for one reason only .. Defense win games .. And Fizdale's number one job for the Knicks front-office were to TANK the season for the number 1 draft pick Zion .. Duke's Zion had impressive stat numbers before ThanksGiving. And the Knicks record were 7-14 before ThanksGiving.

No, you really can't have Bruce Bowen types out there that can't hit a 3, much less anything out. His D took a couple of steps backward along with the rest of his game last year. If he can hit a shot he'll be fine this year though.

More than Half the roster took steps backwards as for as their progress, now you have to ask yourself, if we still have the same ppl running the development, there's a very good chance your going to get the same results.

I asked my self that. We thought about and though we did not know what the goal was for each player.

1. Mudiay did really well. Thought the kid really turned things around. I like what he did. I like he is gone.
2. Mario finished strong after a season he was asked to do different things.
3. I thought Vonleh was up and down, but demonstrated some value. Glad we did not bring him back.
4. Frank second season. Second GM, second coach, and second staff. He got hurt. no excuses, just reasons for regression.
6. This team had Clee and Hardaway. Then traded. This team went thru a massive change.
7. Knox did not regress. He was inconsistent as are most rookies.
8. If you have the same people running development and keep enriching the talent base you will have results over time.
9. To suggest after a year the people running the development will continue to repeat the same season year after year is really quite naïve.
You can't change a culture in one season.
10. Mitch.

17 wins suck anyway you look at it. We started the season with Clee, Hardaway and the promise KP would play half the season and shake the rust off.
There was no season long Tank for Zion as Zion was not even the best pre season player. If anyone thinks 14.5% odds of top pick is a good idea to tank I question your math skills. I ask myself what happened last year from start to finish. Knox was no Tatum, but he also played on a very different roster.
I like the way we developed Mitch. This kid was much better than thought and got better thru the season. Burke was trade fodder. Kornet got a nice contract. I think we did a good job with him. Hicks is going to Russia to play. It did not happen for him.

17 wins. Awful. Change coaches, FO, etc? WE did that the year before. Only Mills is held over. HE changed everybody. Dolan Trusts him. Think about it.

If knicks do everything historically wrong, then new FO would then also be included? Guess what, knicks may never be good ever! Nobody is saying "We got this". Just hope the changes are for real.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:one thing you can count on no matter what is that our idiot coach will be DNP'ing Frank until he's off the roster. I doubt he even dresses for games this year. Will be wearing a suit on the end of the bench.

this post has no basis in reality. Fizdale took Frank to playoff games last year. Fizdale started Frank for several weeks to start the season and he started averaging close to 30mpg. What happened is after a decent start Frank shot 29% in the month of November and played himself right out of the rotation. The only thing stopping Frank is Frank. I mean what coach wants to work in guys who do nothing but play D and set up teammates? It didnt help that he couldnt stay healthy.

If Frank has a good tourney and has a good preseason he will 100% be in the rotation.

I don't know, anrst laid down a good point.. from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record). Yes, Fizdale did give Frank 30 minutes in 3 games within those 10 games, and the Knicks won 2 of those 3 games. After that, Fizdale gave Frank 16 to 19 minute per game throughout the remainder of the season, giving Frank 3 to 5 minute per quarter, by putting Mudiay in the rotation in the 7th game of the season. Plus in the Knicks 6th game of the regular season Fizdale replace 3 players in the starter lineup (Kanter/Thomas/Burke). The majority of NBA coaches would've cut down on those 3 players starter minute of playing time, rather than take them out of the starter lineup so early in the season. Tim Hardaway Jr. were the Knicks number one biggest weak area in the Starter and Finisher lineup, Fizdale took every starter out of the starter lineup except Timmy!
Frank's defensive presence on the court are very important for a win, especially when the Knicks want to stop opponents from getting easy passes in the passing-lane, and when the Knicks need a multi-defender to stop opponent PG/SG/SF scorers. DEFENSE win NBA championships!
I recall the Knicks record (23-33) when they traded for Mudiay on the February deadline in the 2017-18 season .. putting Mudiay at the point in the Knicks rotation lead the Knicks to have a 29-53 season, Mudiay were 6-20 as a Knick at the end of the 2017-18 season.

Frank was losing minutes because he was playing terribly. Also Trier and others emerged. Also statements like this:

from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record).

Dont have a ton of context when everyone watching knew the Knicks goal was to get shots for the kids and lose as many as possible.

Talk to me 15-20 games in this season. Fizdale has NBA players and some shooting. This is not a tank season.

Lets talk truth .. Frank loss minute for one reason only .. Defense win games .. And Fizdale's number one job for the Knicks front-office were to TANK the season for the number 1 draft pick Zion .. Duke's Zion had impressive stat numbers before ThanksGiving. And the Knicks record were 7-14 before ThanksGiving.

No, you really can't have Bruce Bowen types out there that can't hit a 3, much less anything out. His D took a couple of steps backward along with the rest of his game last year. If he can hit a shot he'll be fine this year though.

More than Half the roster took steps backwards as for as their progress, now you have to ask yourself, if we still have the same ppl running the development, there's a very good chance your going to get the same results.

I asked my self that. We thought about and though we did not know what the goal was for each player.

1. Mudiay did really well. Thought the kid really turned things around. I like what he did. I like he is gone.
2. Mario finished strong after a season he was asked to do different things.
3. I thought Vonleh was up and down, but demonstrated some value. Glad we did not bring him back.
4. Frank second season. Second GM, second coach, and second staff. He got hurt. no excuses, just reasons for regression.
6. This team had Clee and Hardaway. Then traded. This team went thru a massive change.
7. Knox did not regress. He was inconsistent as are most rookies.
8. If you have the same people running development and keep enriching the talent base you will have results over time.
9. To suggest after a year the people running the development will continue to repeat the same season year after year is really quite naïve.
You can't change a culture in one season.
10. Mitch.

17 wins suck anyway you look at it. We started the season with Clee, Hardaway and the promise KP would play half the season and shake the rust off.
There was no season long Tank for Zion as Zion was not even the best pre season player. If anyone thinks 14.5% odds of top pick is a good idea to tank I question your math skills. I ask myself what happened last year from start to finish. Knox was no Tatum, but he also played on a very different roster.
I like the way we developed Mitch. This kid was much better than thought and got better thru the season. Burke was trade fodder. Kornet got a nice contract. I think we did a good job with him. Hicks is going to Russia to play. It did not happen for him.

17 wins. Awful. Change coaches, FO, etc? WE did that the year before. Only Mills is held over. HE changed everybody. Dolan Trusts him. Think about it.

If knicks do everything historically wrong, then new FO would then also be included? Guess what, knicks may never be good ever! Nobody is saying "We got this". Just hope the changes are for real.

None of our undrafted rookies, including mitch and frank spent a 2nd in the G league despite being ridiculously inconsistent, fatigue, confused and unprepared.

What they were allowed to do was develop a several bad habits that that made the team and the player worse because winning an actual game was the last thing on the to do list.

Things will change when the FO changes..

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:one thing you can count on no matter what is that our idiot coach will be DNP'ing Frank until he's off the roster. I doubt he even dresses for games this year. Will be wearing a suit on the end of the bench.

this post has no basis in reality. Fizdale took Frank to playoff games last year. Fizdale started Frank for several weeks to start the season and he started averaging close to 30mpg. What happened is after a decent start Frank shot 29% in the month of November and played himself right out of the rotation. The only thing stopping Frank is Frank. I mean what coach wants to work in guys who do nothing but play D and set up teammates? It didnt help that he couldnt stay healthy.

If Frank has a good tourney and has a good preseason he will 100% be in the rotation.

I don't know, anrst laid down a good point.. from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record). Yes, Fizdale did give Frank 30 minutes in 3 games within those 10 games, and the Knicks won 2 of those 3 games. After that, Fizdale gave Frank 16 to 19 minute per game throughout the remainder of the season, giving Frank 3 to 5 minute per quarter, by putting Mudiay in the rotation in the 7th game of the season. Plus in the Knicks 6th game of the regular season Fizdale replace 3 players in the starter lineup (Kanter/Thomas/Burke). The majority of NBA coaches would've cut down on those 3 players starter minute of playing time, rather than take them out of the starter lineup so early in the season. Tim Hardaway Jr. were the Knicks number one biggest weak area in the Starter and Finisher lineup, Fizdale took every starter out of the starter lineup except Timmy!
Frank's defensive presence on the court are very important for a win, especially when the Knicks want to stop opponents from getting easy passes in the passing-lane, and when the Knicks need a multi-defender to stop opponent PG/SG/SF scorers. DEFENSE win NBA championships!
I recall the Knicks record (23-33) when they traded for Mudiay on the February deadline in the 2017-18 season .. putting Mudiay at the point in the Knicks rotation lead the Knicks to have a 29-53 season, Mudiay were 6-20 as a Knick at the end of the 2017-18 season.

Frank was losing minutes because he was playing terribly. Also Trier and others emerged. Also statements like this:

from the preseason games to the first 10 regular season games of the previous season Fizdale showed no direction of a winning coach (having a 3-7 record).

Dont have a ton of context when everyone watching knew the Knicks goal was to get shots for the kids and lose as many as possible.

Talk to me 15-20 games in this season. Fizdale has NBA players and some shooting. This is not a tank season.

Lets talk truth .. Frank loss minute for one reason only .. Defense win games .. And Fizdale's number one job for the Knicks front-office were to TANK the season for the number 1 draft pick Zion .. Duke's Zion had impressive stat numbers before ThanksGiving. And the Knicks record were 7-14 before ThanksGiving.

No, you really can't have Bruce Bowen types out there that can't hit a 3, much less anything out. His D took a couple of steps backward along with the rest of his game last year. If he can hit a shot he'll be fine this year though.

More than Half the roster took steps backwards as for as their progress, now you have to ask yourself, if we still have the same ppl running the development, there's a very good chance your going to get the same results.

I asked my self that. We thought about and though we did not know what the goal was for each player.

1. Mudiay did really well. Thought the kid really turned things around. I like what he did. I like he is gone.
2. Mario finished strong after a season he was asked to do different things.
3. I thought Vonleh was up and down, but demonstrated some value. Glad we did not bring him back.
4. Frank second season. Second GM, second coach, and second staff. He got hurt. no excuses, just reasons for regression.
6. This team had Clee and Hardaway. Then traded. This team went thru a massive change.
7. Knox did not regress. He was inconsistent as are most rookies.
8. If you have the same people running development and keep enriching the talent base you will have results over time.
9. To suggest after a year the people running the development will continue to repeat the same season year after year is really quite naïve.
You can't change a culture in one season.
10. Mitch.

17 wins suck anyway you look at it. We started the season with Clee, Hardaway and the promise KP would play half the season and shake the rust off.
There was no season long Tank for Zion as Zion was not even the best pre season player. If anyone thinks 14.5% odds of top pick is a good idea to tank I question your math skills. I ask myself what happened last year from start to finish. Knox was no Tatum, but he also played on a very different roster.
I like the way we developed Mitch. This kid was much better than thought and got better thru the season. Burke was trade fodder. Kornet got a nice contract. I think we did a good job with him. Hicks is going to Russia to play. It did not happen for him.

17 wins. Awful. Change coaches, FO, etc? WE did that the year before. Only Mills is held over. HE changed everybody. Dolan Trusts him. Think about it.

If knicks do everything historically wrong, then new FO would then also be included? Guess what, knicks may never be good ever! Nobody is saying "We got this". Just hope the changes are for real.

None of our undrafted rookies, including mitch and frank spent a second in the G league despite being ridiculously inconsistent, fatigue, confused and unprepared.

What they were allowed to do was develop several bad habits that that made the team and the player worse because winning an actual game was the last thing on the to do list.

Things will change when the FO changes..

Mitch was second team all rookie and is playing for the USA Select Team. Trier shooting percentages were 45, 39, and 80. Knox struggled but also won rookie of the month in December. I think Frank should have spent at least some of his rookie year in Westchester. If he went down last year it probably lowers his trade value and there have been a lot of talk that the Knicks were trying to trade him. Other than Frank, I don't think the Knicks had a group that needed the g league. Miller joining Fiz's staff should help with development.

I hope he does because i just didn't see a lot of improvement.

I'm not saying they should have sent them down there for wks at a time, but I don't see how it wouldn't have helped.

There weren't any roles for these kids, just go out there and play ball and everybody has the green light. When you have a specific role you know how to operate when your on the court, you know who the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th options are, when you don't know what's your role, everybody tries to be the man, you will never know whats a good shot, when to pass, when to make the extra pass, when to switch on defense, who to cover, where to position yourself.

Rookies do get calls, so Knox barreling to the rim hoping for a whistle on a wild shot made him look ridiculous at times, and he said it in a an interview I was looking at this morning.

You have not watched much Gleague I suppose. If so, you'd see a lot of that. YOu treat the whole season as one.
Your not entirely incorrect, but you make assumptions about development as if its one singular approach.
Proof is in the future. We'll find out over the course of the season.