newyorknewyork wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I am beyond shocked he wasn't moved during the draft

why? Based on Berman's reports? There is no reason to trade this kid. Makes no sense. You work another year with him and keep him healthy. He's going to be 21. I mean why give up on a kid with his skills, size and no attitude problems? You keep him in the mix. Defensive stoppers with PG skills are worth developing.

lol, you're demanding evidence for my statement, yet what empirical evidence do we have that he is a legitimate NBA player? Oh, yeah, his 0.4 DWS was CERTAINLY a hallmark of a great defensive player . Oh yeah, his negative win shares in both years inspires hope. No attitude problems? are you kidding me? That kid is constantly down on himself and his environment.

but sure, come out guns blazing. Like I'm the problem here. Just because everyone wants him to be a player--INCLUDING MYSELF--doesn't mean that he's a good NBA player. Because the honest truth is he is a bigger lottery bust than Michael Sweetney:

Rk
▲ 	Player 	From 	To 	G 	MP 	PER 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	  	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	  	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
1	Frank Ntilikina	2018	2019	121	2610	6.7	.430	.348	.125	2.0	9.0	5.5	19.8	1.8	1.1	18.5	16.8		-3.2	1.5	-1.8	-0.032		-3.8	-0.7	-4.5	-1.7
2	Mike Sweetney	2004	2005	119	2003	16.6	.580	.003	.500	13.8	19.8	16.8	4.9	1.2	1.5	16.4	19.6		3.5	1.8	5.2	.126		-0.7	-1.1	-1.8	0.1

Just because you say it louder don't make it truer

and just before you misrepresent me, I have often advocated holding onto Frank because his value is nothing. There is more to gain by him improving than there is by getting a secodn rounder for him. But, again, I am surprised that he wasn't dealt. Apparently the Frank fanboys have meltdowns when they hear that

misrepresent? You LOLed at something I didnt say. Saying "be patient" after 2 years is a Frank meltdown? Am I new to some longer running conversation because what I wrote and what you responded have very little to do with each other

You literally based what I said on a Berman report. Hi practice what you preach

you still in a state of beyond shock or you good now?

Well yea... like what did you actually say? You regurgitated a tabloid rumor that has been circulating for weeks, added no new color or personal angle but did add emotion that is very tabloid like, unless you actually were wandering around in a state of beyond shock. (pretty sure you were cool )

Nobody is saying Frank has been great. Nobody is saying Frank will be great. Are we rebuilding? We are developing players? Is Frank a 20 year old 6'6 kid with some PG skills and defensive chops? Is our commitment to him prohibiting another player's growth? I am glad he's still in the fold and hopefully a standout in the international competition.

Its not even that I am a Frank fan, its the player type. Long defensive team first guy... I just want him to play well for us.

I am beyond shocked he is with the team. How that proves any of your hypocrisy is beyond me. He was not Perry's pick. He has been awful. Like historically awful. And apparently other teams were interested in him at the deadline. So, yeah, I am beyond shocked. But hey I get it, you have a type or something.

The value being offered in return didn't match up for Perry's liking. Based on what was being offered its probably more worth it to keep him and see if he can improve given his age. Frank doing well would greatly benefit the Knicks in numerous ways. I can see the logic for those looking to find reasons to why he can turn it around. I don't see the logic behind those being upset that he isn't moved though. Its one thing if he was holding up a trade or something. But he isn't holding the Knicks hostage with a long term contract. If non of the top tier FAs come. Knicks will have 70mil in cap making his 5mil in salary a non issue. He will have to work his way to getting mins based on his own hard work.

So if the offers are trash, and his possible potential contribution given he is still young outweighs what teams are offering. Knicks lose nothing by keeping trying to get him right on the back end. What exactly is the issue??

I'm shocked is because through his first two seasons, fat, weak Michael Sweetney was a better defender. The only reason Frank is on the roster is because he's a former lotto pick. That's the only reason. he was legitimately awful last year. He is anemic on offense and for a guy who is supposed to be some elite defender to have 0.4 DWS is bush league.

To answer your question, the issue is that I see no reason why Frank should take minutes from anyone on this roster or any d league call ups for that matter. Imagine if Frank was on the roster in 2011-2012. We wouldn't have had Linsanity because that roster spot was occupied by dead weight. Again, I keep saying we are kinda backed into a corener and need to keep him because we need him to rehab his value. But he's been a complete bust and unless he gets his **** together he will very likely be the worst draft pick in NY Knicks history

Your first paragraph didn't really touch on anything I stated. But he had a poor year last year no debating and was plagued with injuries. But if there was a better move to make with Frank at the current moment then I am sure Perry would have made it.

The new season hasn't even started yet. He hasn't taken any mins from anyone on the roster for games that haven't been played yet. I doubt he will unless it justified by him beating someone out. There is no pressure on Perry or Fizz to play Frank if he doesn't show something for this to be an issue. Knicks also acquired and brought up Kadeem Allen last season and have had no issues with bringing players in and moving them up. Just like they did with Trey Burke during Franks rookie year. Or trading for Mudiay at the break or targeting Smith in the KP trade. There has never been a time where Frank stopped the Knicks from making moves, or bringing players in, or moving players up. Thats just not how this FO has opperated.

Regardless of how Frank performed last season. The Knicks FO will monitor his off season progress. If there is no justificaton to move him they will then look at him at training camp and pre season. They will then make decisions based on how Frank performs and what the best route for the Knicks to take with him moving forward.

First paragraph is in response to:
I don't see the logic behind those being upset that he isn't moved though.

With regard to:
Regardless of how Frank performed last season. The Knicks FO will monitor his off season progress. If there is no justificaton to move him they will then look at him at training camp and pre season. They will then make decisions based on how Frank performs and what the best route for the Knicks to take with him moving forward.

the entire rest of the league is going to see him at the worlds and will see him during pre-season. By the time you would be ready to write him off, the whole rest of the league will be ready to do the same. Not gonna get much for him in that situation. So there's the logic you don't want to see

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I am beyond shocked he wasn't moved during the draft

why? Based on Berman's reports? There is no reason to trade this kid. Makes no sense. You work another year with him and keep him healthy. He's going to be 21. I mean why give up on a kid with his skills, size and no attitude problems? You keep him in the mix. Defensive stoppers with PG skills are worth developing.

lol, you're demanding evidence for my statement, yet what empirical evidence do we have that he is a legitimate NBA player? Oh, yeah, his 0.4 DWS was CERTAINLY a hallmark of a great defensive player . Oh yeah, his negative win shares in both years inspires hope. No attitude problems? are you kidding me? That kid is constantly down on himself and his environment.

but sure, come out guns blazing. Like I'm the problem here. Just because everyone wants him to be a player--INCLUDING MYSELF--doesn't mean that he's a good NBA player. Because the honest truth is he is a bigger lottery bust than Michael Sweetney:

Rk
▲ 	Player 	From 	To 	G 	MP 	PER 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	  	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	  	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
1	Frank Ntilikina	2018	2019	121	2610	6.7	.430	.348	.125	2.0	9.0	5.5	19.8	1.8	1.1	18.5	16.8		-3.2	1.5	-1.8	-0.032		-3.8	-0.7	-4.5	-1.7
2	Mike Sweetney	2004	2005	119	2003	16.6	.580	.003	.500	13.8	19.8	16.8	4.9	1.2	1.5	16.4	19.6		3.5	1.8	5.2	.126		-0.7	-1.1	-1.8	0.1

Just because you say it louder don't make it truer

and just before you misrepresent me, I have often advocated holding onto Frank because his value is nothing. There is more to gain by him improving than there is by getting a secodn rounder for him. But, again, I am surprised that he wasn't dealt. Apparently the Frank fanboys have meltdowns when they hear that

misrepresent? You LOLed at something I didnt say. Saying "be patient" after 2 years is a Frank meltdown? Am I new to some longer running conversation because what I wrote and what you responded have very little to do with each other

You literally based what I said on a Berman report. Hi practice what you preach

you still in a state of beyond shock or you good now?

Well yea... like what did you actually say? You regurgitated a tabloid rumor that has been circulating for weeks, added no new color or personal angle but did add emotion that is very tabloid like, unless you actually were wandering around in a state of beyond shock. (pretty sure you were cool )

Nobody is saying Frank has been great. Nobody is saying Frank will be great. Are we rebuilding? We are developing players? Is Frank a 20 year old 6'6 kid with some PG skills and defensive chops? Is our commitment to him prohibiting another player's growth? I am glad he's still in the fold and hopefully a standout in the international competition.

Its not even that I am a Frank fan, its the player type. Long defensive team first guy... I just want him to play well for us.

I am beyond shocked he is with the team. How that proves any of your hypocrisy is beyond me. He was not Perry's pick. He has been awful. Like historically awful. And apparently other teams were interested in him at the deadline. So, yeah, I am beyond shocked. But hey I get it, you have a type or something.

The value being offered in return didn't match up for Perry's liking. Based on what was being offered its probably more worth it to keep him and see if he can improve given his age. Frank doing well would greatly benefit the Knicks in numerous ways. I can see the logic for those looking to find reasons to why he can turn it around. I don't see the logic behind those being upset that he isn't moved though. Its one thing if he was holding up a trade or something. But he isn't holding the Knicks hostage with a long term contract. If non of the top tier FAs come. Knicks will have 70mil in cap making his 5mil in salary a non issue. He will have to work his way to getting mins based on his own hard work.

So if the offers are trash, and his possible potential contribution given he is still young outweighs what teams are offering. Knicks lose nothing by keeping trying to get him right on the back end. What exactly is the issue??

I'm shocked is because through his first two seasons, fat, weak Michael Sweetney was a better defender. The only reason Frank is on the roster is because he's a former lotto pick. That's the only reason. he was legitimately awful last year. He is anemic on offense and for a guy who is supposed to be some elite defender to have 0.4 DWS is bush league.

To answer your question, the issue is that I see no reason why Frank should take minutes from anyone on this roster or any d league call ups for that matter. Imagine if Frank was on the roster in 2011-2012. We wouldn't have had Linsanity because that roster spot was occupied by dead weight. Again, I keep saying we are kinda backed into a corener and need to keep him because we need him to rehab his value. But he's been a complete bust and unless he gets his **** together he will very likely be the worst draft pick in NY Knicks history

Your first paragraph didn't really touch on anything I stated. But he had a poor year last year no debating and was plagued with injuries. But if there was a better move to make with Frank at the current moment then I am sure Perry would have made it.

The new season hasn't even started yet. He hasn't taken any mins from anyone on the roster for games that haven't been played yet. I doubt he will unless it justified by him beating someone out. There is no pressure on Perry or Fizz to play Frank if he doesn't show something for this to be an issue. Knicks also acquired and brought up Kadeem Allen last season and have had no issues with bringing players in and moving them up. Just like they did with Trey Burke during Franks rookie year. Or trading for Mudiay at the break or targeting Smith in the KP trade. There has never been a time where Frank stopped the Knicks from making moves, or bringing players in, or moving players up. Thats just not how this FO has opperated.

Regardless of how Frank performed last season. The Knicks FO will monitor his off season progress. If there is no justificaton to move him they will then look at him at training camp and pre season. They will then make decisions based on how Frank performs and what the best route for the Knicks to take with him moving forward.

First paragraph is in response to:
I don't see the logic behind those being upset that he isn't moved though.

With regard to:
Regardless of how Frank performed last season. The Knicks FO will monitor his off season progress. If there is no justificaton to move him they will then look at him at training camp and pre season. They will then make decisions based on how Frank performs and what the best route for the Knicks to take with him moving forward.

the entire rest of the league is going to see him at the worlds and will see him during pre-season. By the time you would be ready to write him off, the whole rest of the league will be ready to do the same. Not gonna get much for him in that situation. So there's the logic you don't want to see

I mean Frank shot 45% and 50% from the field and 3 in preseason. Played solid in preseason. Lined up at SF with Mudiay and Knox injuried. Fiz changed his lineup when the Knicks got off to a slow start and put Frank as the starting PG. He played very well his first 2 games and then struggle nightly and then got injured. Then struggled for the rest of the season and continued to get injured. Was benched multiple times throughout his struggles. He didn't play the last 33 games of the season to even have this strong of an opinion of him.

If there was a move for Perry to make regarding Frank that benefitted the Knicks he would have made it. He has no ties to the pick.

If you were a GM why would you trade for Frank before seeing him play this summer? Not only that you would have to give up something to entice Perry to dump him. It's not worth it for Perry to throw him away with the risk of him turning into something for another team.

personally i'm a frank fan, despite the tough year he had due to imo a combo of his poor play, poor health and fiz' poor coaching.

i wouldn't consider trading him a day before the end of the 20/21 season. an obvious late-bloomer candidate - i'd give it a chance. i've been in the garden and seen him have very effective games where his full potential is on display. he's got an unorthodox game for the nba and it's going to take time to gel with a team - i want it to happen here.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:Like its a secret. "Shhh, we need to move frank before the rest of the world finds out!!!"

Here is how it goes. Frank looks good, knicks pick up his qualifying offer.
Frank looks "Eh", he comes back. Kicks ass, and is unrestricted. We pay him market value or he tells us to NPhuck Off.
Fans say "see, knicks blow it again".
Frank comes back, looks not improved, we let him walk. Fans say "see, should have traded him when (Make some shyt up) Phoenix was offering us two first rounds and a statue of MDA for him"!

Nalod: Draft picks are not easy. We hit with Knox, Mitch, Trier, and RJ that's beats the odds. Philly drafted Norlens, Michael Carter Williams and Oka4. Simmons still can't shoot and Emiiiiiid looks like Ewing at 35. Still, they damn good!!!!! Its the other things.
Not going to sweat Frank. I might just enjoy knowing the bile comes up on 1248 if he does good. If not, Its part of the process.

Add one more. Frank is moved and plays well for his new team. Then it's Fizz fault for not developing him correctly.

What if Fizz was trying to get him to do something all last season. He was hurt. It was not clicking. As we type Frank is working his assoff. WE trade him. He does well. That's on Fiz too!
Maybe Frank will never be a fizz kind of player. But if knicks develop other guys, that's OK. law of averages. You playing the blame game. Im playing math. Even if Fiz drafted him, it still sometimes does not work.
Funny, speaking of soft French........Tony Parker did real well as a rookie then fell back. Drove Pop crazy. They draft George Hill 30th and as a rook the guys takes Parkers place. Pop Ready to trade him. Instead, Pop trades Hill to Indy for what turns out to be the 15th pick we now call Kawhi. No correlative lesson but patience! It got SAS its chips. Parker is now HOF bound and Kawhi is god.
Pop built up a lot of cred to the point we can't be critical of how they handled Kawhi. Leonard himself did so great we forgot he "turned his back on his team and is a selfish prick".....all from last year.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:Like its a secret. "Shhh, we need to move frank before the rest of the world finds out!!!"

Here is how it goes. Frank looks good, knicks pick up his qualifying offer.
Frank looks "Eh", he comes back. Kicks ass, and is unrestricted. We pay him market value or he tells us to NPhuck Off.
Fans say "see, knicks blow it again".
Frank comes back, looks not improved, we let him walk. Fans say "see, should have traded him when (Make some shyt up) Phoenix was offering us two first rounds and a statue of MDA for him"!

Nalod: Draft picks are not easy. We hit with Knox, Mitch, Trier, and RJ that's beats the odds. Philly drafted Norlens, Michael Carter Williams and Oka4. Simmons still can't shoot and Emiiiiiid looks like Ewing at 35. Still, they damn good!!!!! Its the other things.
Not going to sweat Frank. I might just enjoy knowing the bile comes up on 1248 if he does good. If not, Its part of the process.

Add one more. Frank is moved and plays well for his new team. Then it's Fizz fault for not developing him correctly.

What if Fizz was trying to get him to do something all last season. He was hurt. It was not clicking. As we type Frank is working his assoff. WE trade him. He does well. That's on Fiz too!
Maybe Frank will never be a fizz kind of player. But if knicks develop other guys, that's OK. law of averages. You playing the blame game. Im playing math. Even if Fiz drafted him, it still sometimes does not work.
Funny, speaking of soft French........Tony Parker did real well as a rookie then fell back. Drove Pop crazy. They draft George Hill 30th and as a rook the guys takes Parkers place. Pop Ready to trade him. Instead, Pop trades Hill to Indy for what turns out to be the 15th pick we now call Kawhi. No correlative lesson but patience! It got SAS its chips. Parker is now HOF bound and Kawhi is god.
Pop built up a lot of cred to the point we can't be critical of how they handled Kawhi. Leonard himself did so great we forgot he "turned his back on his team and is a selfish prick".....all from last year.

I was piggy backing off your sarcasm. The most logical reasoning to the hypothetical of Frank becoming a solid player for another team would be that he just wasn't ready at this age timeline but worked his way into a player that was ready as he got experience. Fans won't admit they lacked the patience though. So they will look to point the finger.

In all seriousness, I was a fan of Ntilikina's after his promising rookie season. He had flashes. The issue I've had all along with the pick is that he's like a defensive version of Jamal Crawford - a big PG who's not really capable of playing PG for more than short stretches.

If you envision him as a 6'5"+ behemoth like him patrolling the perimeter as a PG, he has lottery value.

If you position him as a SG or SF, he then would have tracked as more of a mid-late 1st rounder and should have been drafted as such. If he's the #20 pick, it's a big difference in perceived value vs a #8 pick. As it stands, Dotson at age 25 is much better all around player as a wing. He's got the makings of a 3&D player and a finisher, though he's much closer to a finished product.

Looking at the Frank workout vs the RJ workout, Barrett looks like he's going at it in game speed and he's even simulating bouncing off a defender. He's showing off his superior body control and balance after some shifty dribbles. He's already built like a 25 year old.

Frank's jump shot is looking smooth and accurate, but he would need to be wiiiiiiddde open to shoot jumpers like that. I guess he's practicing being the bail out guy when everyone caves in around the basket. He's never going to be the fast twitch athlete that RJ is, but he can still be a very effective player if he can become a little more elusive/deceptive and take advantage of his length.

I thought Jarrett Jack (solid, but never an exceptional athlete) would be a great veteran role model for him. It seemed like he was. This past season, the Knicks didn't have that player. I'd love to see the Knicks pick up an old steady PG to teach the young guys - if we can't get our hands on Kyrie/Kemba.

Of the vets (including a few former Knicks): Jerryd Bayless, Jeremy Lin, Raymond Felton, Jose Calderon, Patrick Beverly. Pickings are a bit slim for old sage types. Yes, there are more productive players than these guys, but we're trying to groom DSJ, Frank, and Allen as winners and not steal the starting job away.

newyorknewyork wrote:

technomaster wrote:Stating the obvious, but Frank was injured for a big chunk of last season. Groin injuries are capable of taking even NBA ironmen like Lebron, so imagine if you're a soft Euro to begin with? :p

In all seriousness, I was a fan of Ntilikina's after his promising rookie season. He had flashes. The issue I've had all along with the pick is that he's like a defensive version of Jamal Crawford - a big PG who's not really capable of playing PG for more than short stretches.

If you envision him as a 6'5"+ behemoth like him patrolling the perimeter as a PG, he has lottery value.

If you position him as a SG or SF, he then would have tracked as more of a mid-late 1st rounder and should have been drafted as such. If he's the #20 pick, it's a big difference in perceived value vs a #8 pick. As it stands, Dotson at age 25 is much better all around player as a wing. He's got the makings of a 3&D player and a finisher, though he's much closer to a finished product.

Looking at the Frank workout vs the RJ workout, Barrett looks like he's going at it in game speed and he's even simulating bouncing off a defender. He's showing off his superior body control and balance after some shifty dribbles. He's already built like a 25 year old.

Frank's jump shot is looking smooth and accurate, but he would need to be wiiiiiiddde open to shoot jumpers like that. I guess he's practicing being the bail out guy when everyone caves in around the basket. He's never going to be the fast twitch athlete that RJ is, but he can still be a very effective player if he can become a little more elusive/deceptive and take advantage of his length.

I thought Jarrett Jack (solid, but never an exceptional athlete) would be a great veteran role model for him. It seemed like he was. This past season, the Knicks didn't have that player. I'd love to see the Knicks pick up an old steady PG to teach the young guys - if we can't get our hands on Kyrie/Kemba.

Of the vets (including a few former Knicks): Jerryd Bayless, Jeremy Lin, Raymond Felton, Jose Calderon, Patrick Beverly. Pickings are a bit slim for old sage types. Yes, there are more productive players than these guys, but we're trying to groom DSJ, Frank, and Allen as winners and not steal the starting job away.

Ideally you want to envision Frank just being a guy that can play spot mins at the 1-3. Who can handle, create for others, shoot and defend. Providing a ton of length within a lineup.

But at the moment can’t really talk about ideals with him. He needs to get back on the court and display what he is gonna bring to the table.

But back to ideals really quick. I preferred if we took SGA last draft. With Barrett today would have 3 guys who would be interchangeable on the perimeter any given play. Who all could handle, create for others, shoot, defend. Now we built an identity with the tools that win games by stocking up on these type of pieces. Not a knock on Knox.

Knock Knox.....Whose there?
Ntilikina......
Ntilikina Who?
Ntilikina glad you didn't trade Frank?

Knock Knox.....Whose there?
Fiz
Fiz Who.....?
Fiz you is or Fiz you ain't my Forward?

These are bad....... I know.

I wonder if Frank or Knox added any height. These guys are not shaving yet!! LOL.
Thought I read they were still growing. Like I said last year, seeing them both in person I was taken back just how slight/young/Skinny there were in person. Outside of Berman musings we know of no trade rumors with Frank. Im not working the phones and talking with "sources" so I won't claim to have superior knowledge. Just not falling prey to every rumor as fact. I would assume if he is in the doghouse he'll ask for a trade to get an opportunity to play elsewhere. I thought his agent reiterated that is not the case. As long as that holds it indicative by deductive reasoning that knicks hold him at some value/potential and the offers made for him were not substantial enough to that value knicks hold. if someone wanted him and we were done we can dump him for that preverbal "Late 2nd round pick in the future". That did not happen, or happen yet. If Frank stood in front of cap space to bring in two max FA's he would have been dumped.
If Nalod is correct, its only as it stands at this moment. Things can change. Read someone close to Durant say's he'll change his mind 25 times between now and next week. LOL, I have no doubt his desire to play at MSG was real if this is true, but so is every other rumor we hear about the Sneaky Nets!

technomaster wrote:Stating the obvious, but Frank was injured for a big chunk of last season. Groin injuries are capable of taking even NBA ironmen like Lebron, so imagine if you're a soft Euro to begin with? :p

In all seriousness, I was a fan of Ntilikina's after his promising rookie season. He had flashes. The issue I've had all along with the pick is that he's like a defensive version of Jamal Crawford - a big PG who's not really capable of playing PG for more than short stretches.

If you envision him as a 6'5"+ behemoth like him patrolling the perimeter as a PG, he has lottery value.

If you position him as a SG or SF, he then would have tracked as more of a mid-late 1st rounder and should have been drafted as such. If he's the #20 pick, it's a big difference in perceived value vs a #8 pick. As it stands, Dotson at age 25 is much better all around player as a wing. He's got the makings of a 3&D player and a finisher, though he's much closer to a finished product.

Looking at the Frank workout vs the RJ workout, Barrett looks like he's going at it in game speed and he's even simulating bouncing off a defender. He's showing off his superior body control and balance after some shifty dribbles. He's already built like a 25 year old.

Frank's jump shot is looking smooth and accurate, but he would need to be wiiiiiiddde open to shoot jumpers like that. I guess he's practicing being the bail out guy when everyone caves in around the basket. He's never going to be the fast twitch athlete that RJ is, but he can still be a very effective player if he can become a little more elusive/deceptive and take advantage of his length.

I thought Jarrett Jack (solid, but never an exceptional athlete) would be a great veteran role model for him. It seemed like he was. This past season, the Knicks didn't have that player. I'd love to see the Knicks pick up an old steady PG to teach the young guys - if we can't get our hands on Kyrie/Kemba.

Of the vets (including a few former Knicks): Jerryd Bayless, Jeremy Lin, Raymond Felton, Jose Calderon, Patrick Beverly. Pickings are a bit slim for old sage types. Yes, there are more productive players than these guys, but we're trying to groom DSJ, Frank, and Allen as winners and not steal the starting job away.

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His numbers are skewed from last season where they played him out of position; took away his biggest strength; and asked him to do more of his biggest weakness (play attacking style of offense.

Now there is some chance that strategy pays off; that he learns from that and improves. It also could be the case that the CS learns from it and says it's dumb to play frank at the 2 (where he is even worse on offense) or the 3 (where he loses his biggest strength -- size)

IMO things can only go up; either Frankie or the CS learns. Some would argue even getting rid of Frank is an improvement but I think that's shortsighted

I think team needs to play him at pg and only pg (he can switch of course), and Frank needs to hit some damn shots when open and punish smaller defenders. We could have a seriously lengthy backcourt with him and Barret

If Frank keeps his distance, it wont be too surprising if he is moved before the season starts. Frank sees himself as a starter, but he scores at a rate that just wont cut it in the NBA. With Barrett likely playing 2, Kadeem Allen looking like a much better PG, (starting or otherwise) Trier in the mix for backup 2. Dont see a place on the team for Frank one would call a natural fit.

GustavBahler wrote:Guessing the offers they got for Frank were low second round. Players considered on the bubble. Surprised as anyone that he's still a Knick. Haven't heard about Frank working with the Knicks staff. Still time before camp.

If Frank keeps his distance, it wont be too surprising if he is moved before the season starts. Frank sees himself as a starter, but he scores at a rate that just wont cut it in the NBA. With Barrett likely playing 2, Kadeem Allen looking like a much better PG, (starting or otherwise) Trier in the mix for backup 2. Dont see a place on the team for Frank one would call a natural fit.

I believe I heard the new Assistant Mike Miller can be seen in the background of one of those Frank Videos watching him. So he hasn’t gone and trained completely off the reservation. Also him joining the French national team is important because the Knicks need to see something to justify extending him before the deadline in I believe Oct. He has to show some growth to his game and score.

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Guessing the offers they got for Frank were low second round. Players considered on the bubble. Surprised as anyone that he's still a Knick. Haven't heard about Frank working with the Knicks staff. Still time before camp.

If Frank keeps his distance, it wont be too surprising if he is moved before the season starts. Frank sees himself as a starter, but he scores at a rate that just wont cut it in the NBA. With Barrett likely playing 2, Kadeem Allen looking like a much better PG, (starting or otherwise) Trier in the mix for backup 2. Dont see a place on the team for Frank one would call a natural fit.

I believe I heard the new Assistant Mike Miller can be seen in the background of one of those Frank Videos watching him. So he hasn’t gone and trained completely off the reservation. Also him joining the French national team is important because the Knicks need to see something to justify extending him before the deadline in I believe Oct. He has to show some growth to his game and score.

You are right about Miller.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/frenchknickspod/status/1145185253780332545

Where is Miller? I don't see him. I see backpacks and such . . .