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6/21/2019  2:09 PM
Uptown wrote:
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Big time numbers! Just goes to show that he will a complete player, not just a one dimensional scorer! We got ourselves a gem!!!


I agree that RJ has solid potential and I'm happy with the selection. But those numbers are cherry picked as heck and tell me nothing. Tommy always brings up these stupid stats.
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6/21/2019  2:20 PM
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NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.


New around here...but I have the same feeling about Fizdale as a coach. I'm hoping that he's matured as a HC. Maybe he watched GS have 37 credited assists on 40 baskets during the finals and that changed him.

I'm not sure Ntilikina is the kind of player who can thrive in the "system" I saw last year, though.

Knicks were tanking for Zion. Fizz chose to focus on indivdual skill sets. This was his way of securing the tank while developing the players. This coming season there will be no tank for Zion mandate. I am interest in seeing the approach Fizz now takes. But I expect to see an actual system now that he will attempt to actually win games.

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6/21/2019  2:48 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.


New around here...but I have the same feeling about Fizdale as a coach. I'm hoping that he's matured as a HC. Maybe he watched GS have 37 credited assists on 40 baskets during the finals and that changed him.

I'm not sure Ntilikina is the kind of player who can thrive in the "system" I saw last year, though.

Knicks were tanking for Zion. Fizz chose to focus on indivdual skill sets. This was his way of securing the tank while developing the players. This coming season there will be no tank for Zion mandate. I am interest in seeing the approach Fizz now takes. But I expect to see an actual system now that he will attempt to actually win games.

Hope so...really do, but Fizdale should have also been auditioning for free agency, showing how he could take a bunch of young players and mold them into a unit, even as they were losing.

We also knew that tanking was more difficult because of the new rules.

I'll be honest, if I'm a FA looking at the Knicks last year and thinking of this year, I'm not sure I'd be that confident in Fizdale.. On the other hand, bringing in guys like Irving and KD would have made Fizdale's job much easier because they would have controlled what happened on the floor to a great extent.

First year coaching the Knicks, so you give him a pass, but I want to see more from him than just him having a hot wife.

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6/21/2019  3:49 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.


New around here...but I have the same feeling about Fizdale as a coach. I'm hoping that he's matured as a HC. Maybe he watched GS have 37 credited assists on 40 baskets during the finals and that changed him.

I'm not sure Ntilikina is the kind of player who can thrive in the "system" I saw last year, though.

Knicks were tanking for Zion. Fizz chose to focus on indivdual skill sets. This was his way of securing the tank while developing the players. This coming season there will be no tank for Zion mandate. I am interest in seeing the approach Fizz now takes. But I expect to see an actual system now that he will attempt to actually win games.

Hope so...really do, but Fizdale should have also been auditioning for free agency, showing how he could take a bunch of young players and mold them into a unit, even as they were losing.

We also knew that tanking was more difficult because of the new rules.

I'll be honest, if I'm a FA looking at the Knicks last year and thinking of this year, I'm not sure I'd be that confident in Fizdale.. On the other hand, bringing in guys like Irving and KD would have made Fizdale's job much easier because they would have controlled what happened on the floor to a great extent.

First year coaching the Knicks, so you give him a pass, but I want to see more from him than just him having a hot wife.

I feel he isn't as bad as he looked last season due to what he showed in Memphis having them overachieve his first season as coach there. Even stealing 2 games from them with Conley, Gasol, past it Vince Carter & Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and nobody else really worth mentioning. Mike Conley jr had his best and most efficient season as a pro that year under Fizz.

When hired he agreed with management on the plan to focus on player development(with the hidden agenda to tank). Now if that was the right choice or not is a different argument. But he didn't come up with the game plan himself. He stuck to the plan he and the FO came up with of focusing on individual development to ensure the tank.

I'm guess he is closer to his first year in Memphis than this last season with the Knicks. As that was so terrible he would never have gotten a head coaching job if that was his coaching level.

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6/21/2019  5:23 PM
I finally got to see their the introductory press conference. First off what a bunch of stupid questions by the media lol. The first guy asks "RJ are your shoulders big enough to carry this franchise" first off it was a stupid attempt of being funny/taking a shot at the organization and disrespectful. Then Berman asks about Free agency and a pretty pissed off steve mills shut him down instantly which I loved. Besides that I can't wait to see TH and Iggy in the Summer League
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6/21/2019  5:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

Big time numbers! Just goes to show that he will a complete player, not just a one dimensional scorer! We got ourselves a gem!!!


I agree that RJ has solid potential and I'm happy with the selection. But those numbers are cherry picked as heck and tell me nothing. Tommy always brings up these stupid stats.

Dont know his history for cherry picking, but 850 pts!! 4th most ever by a freshman aint cherry picked, it's a really good stat.
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6/21/2019  5:40 PM
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

Big time numbers! Just goes to show that he will a complete player, not just a one dimensional scorer! We got ourselves a gem!!!


I agree that RJ has solid potential and I'm happy with the selection. But those numbers are cherry picked as heck and tell me nothing. Tommy always brings up these stupid stats.

Dont know his history for cherry picking, but 850 pts!! 4th most ever by a freshman aint cherry picked, it's a really good stat.


But what we're his shooting percentages? What if I included redshirt freshman. What if I say moved the number down to 800 points while hitting 48% of his shots and 35% of his threes? The stat Tommyvtweeted tells me nothing.
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6/21/2019  5:42 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.


New around here...but I have the same feeling about Fizdale as a coach. I'm hoping that he's matured as a HC. Maybe he watched GS have 37 credited assists on 40 baskets during the finals and that changed him.

I'm not sure Ntilikina is the kind of player who can thrive in the "system" I saw last year, though.

Knicks were tanking for Zion. Fizz chose to focus on indivdual skill sets. This was his way of securing the tank while developing the players. This coming season there will be no tank for Zion mandate. I am interest in seeing the approach Fizz now takes. But I expect to see an actual system now that he will attempt to actually win games.

Hope so...really do, but Fizdale should have also been auditioning for free agency, showing how he could take a bunch of young players and mold them into a unit, even as they were losing.

We also knew that tanking was more difficult because of the new rules.

I'll be honest, if I'm a FA looking at the Knicks last year and thinking of this year, I'm not sure I'd be that confident in Fizdale.. On the other hand, bringing in guys like Irving and KD would have made Fizdale's job much easier because they would have controlled what happened on the floor to a great extent.

First year coaching the Knicks, so you give him a pass, but I want to see more from him than just him having a hot wife.

I feel he isn't as bad as he looked last season due to what he showed in Memphis having them overachieve his first season as coach there. Even stealing 2 games from them with Conley, Gasol, past it Vince Carter & Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and nobody else really worth mentioning. Mike Conley jr had his best and most efficient season as a pro that year under Fizz.

When hired he agreed with management on the plan to focus on player development(with the hidden agenda to tank). Now if that was the right choice or not is a different argument. But he didn't come up with the game plan himself. He stuck to the plan he and the FO came up with of focusing on individual development to ensure the tank.

I'm guess he is closer to his first year in Memphis than this last season with the Knicks. As that was so terrible he would never have gotten a head coaching job if that was his coaching level.

Been saying this all year, in so many words but the phil-fan boys aint trying to hear it. Fizdale led the Griz to a playoff birth in his first year. Was the assistant in Miami during his championship run... LeBron and Wade all sear by him. Dude can coach!!
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6/21/2019  6:30 PM
martin wrote:I’m loving this guy more and more

I have to admit, he interviewed really well. I am sold for the moment.

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6/21/2019  9:20 PM
Uptown wrote:

Been saying this all year, in so many words but the phil-fan boys aint trying to hear it. Fizdale led the Griz to a playoff birth in his first year. Was the assistant in Miami during his championship run... LeBron and Wade all sear by him. Dude can coach!!

Agree that its moronic to pass judgement on Fizdale after one season, when the team had a mandate to win the Zion lotto. Right after trading away the team's most productive players. Didnt agree with all the decisions Fizdale made, dont have to, to know that judging Fizdale from this season alone, is shortsighted.
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6/21/2019  9:25 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.


New around here...but I have the same feeling about Fizdale as a coach. I'm hoping that he's matured as a HC. Maybe he watched GS have 37 credited assists on 40 baskets during the finals and that changed him.

I'm not sure Ntilikina is the kind of player who can thrive in the "system" I saw last year, though.

Knicks were tanking for Zion. Fizz chose to focus on indivdual skill sets. This was his way of securing the tank while developing the players. This coming season there will be no tank for Zion mandate. I am interest in seeing the approach Fizz now takes. But I expect to see an actual system now that he will attempt to actually win games.

Hope so...really do, but Fizdale should have also been auditioning for free agency, showing how he could take a bunch of young players and mold them into a unit, even as they were losing.

We also knew that tanking was more difficult because of the new rules.

I'll be honest, if I'm a FA looking at the Knicks last year and thinking of this year, I'm not sure I'd be that confident in Fizdale.. On the other hand, bringing in guys like Irving and KD would have made Fizdale's job much easier because they would have controlled what happened on the floor to a great extent.

First year coaching the Knicks, so you give him a pass, but I want to see more from him than just him having a hot wife.

I feel he isn't as bad as he looked last season due to what he showed in Memphis having them overachieve his first season as coach there. Even stealing 2 games from them with Conley, Gasol, past it Vince Carter & Zach Randolph, Tony Allen and nobody else really worth mentioning. Mike Conley jr had his best and most efficient season as a pro that year under Fizz.

When hired he agreed with management on the plan to focus on player development(with the hidden agenda to tank). Now if that was the right choice or not is a different argument. But he didn't come up with the game plan himself. He stuck to the plan he and the FO came up with of focusing on individual development to ensure the tank.

I'm guess he is closer to his first year in Memphis than this last season with the Knicks. As that was so terrible he would never have gotten a head coaching job if that was his coaching level.


Hope you are right on this.
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Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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6/22/2019  9:33 AM
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Sounds like Mario, before he was drafted. NBA can be pretty humbling for a player who comes in talking like that. Hope he can walk it like he talks it.
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Barrett as a child
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Cartman718 wrote:Barrett as a child

You gonna post baby pictures next?

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