Jmpasq wrote:i would love to send KP and his brother out of NY. Go play where no one gives a crap. You can go turn into Nuric. Guy demanding the direction of the franchise 2 years in the league. No other player has acted like that much of an asshat

Yeah, I have soured on him too. Too much diva acting for what he has accomplished. At this point, I'd even trade him for Lauri Markkanen, who pretty much gives you the same as KP, only without the drama.

Just out of interest, and assuming we could shift Lee in a separate deal, what would be the better trade, one centred around KP, or one centred around Knox and this years first?

So: KP+Tim Jr and whatever fo AD, then sign Irving in the offseason, giving you a team of:

C-AD
PF- whoever (maybe Zion if we got the first pick)
SF- Knox
SG- whoever (again maybe a player we draft)
PG- Irving

or a trade centred around Knox, this years first and Tim Jr or whatever salary, leaving you with:

C- AD
PF- KP
SF- maybe sign KD in the offseason
SG- whoever (Trier, Dotson)
PG- Mud/Frank

Cartman718 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

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Lol you are quoting your own tweets now?

Saves me the trouble of repeating myself.... besides my opinion is better than any beat writer. For instance Bleacher reports AD trade idea is trash. Bondy's son is a p.o.s.... so is Berman and some of the rest of the beat guys. I'd rather hear from fans

Knicks possible roster after this trade:
C - AD / Robinson
PF - KP / Vonleh
SF - KD / Knox
SG - Trier / Dotson
PG - Ntilikina / Burke (you might try to get Rubbio, trade away Burke)

AD will stifle the rebuild just like trading for Melo did. If he wants to come in a year as a FA then consider him.

AD with a great PG has not gone past the first round. He is not the end of NY's problems. Great talent but he is also injury prone.

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EnySpree wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

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Lol you are quoting your own tweets now?

Saves me the trouble of repeating myself.... besides my opinion is better than any beat writer. For instance Bleacher reports AD trade idea is trash. Bondy's son is a p.o.s.... so is Berman and some of the rest of the beat guys. I'd rather hear from fans

You are 100% right about that. Never liked Bondy...he's been hating since the mid 90s...in multiple sports. The Shrek...nuff said.

As far as AD trade idea being trash...the question that FO has to ask themselves is that after preaching patience to the fans and talking about not giving draft picks and treasuring them like gold, would they suddenly pivot from that?

Let's assume for the moment that they won't.
In that case, we are talking about a package most certainly involving eastern conference rookie of December Knox. Hardaway...? we should be so lucky. At this point, Lee has more value than him.

But wouldn't that be easily beat by Boston whose players have actually done something in the playoffs.
Lee is the only player coming to mind that has good playoff experience which is value to a young team, but that was as a journeyman.

If Boston puts together a package around Jaylen Brown, Smart and Rozier + picks...can the Knicks top that? We dont even know yet where the Knicks 2019 pick is going to land. And especially if we successfully trade for AD and have KP come back lets say end of Feb...that pick will not be a top 3 pick.

I think this is why Bleacher Report and/or others may be saying that Knicks trade idea is/may be trash.
AD wants to go to a team that will win. Any trade idea involving KP puts him in the same position as Pelicans current situation...can't win big.

Chandler wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Vmart wrote:We should not trade for him. It will leave the Knicks in a Melo situation. We should wait for his free agency.

KP, AD, Zion, Hardaway and Ntlikina. Would win some games. Or we can complete deplete the roster.

AD is "NOT" making it to free agency...

please explain

KD took that route. OKC got nothing; GS was stronger for it

If AD is serious about winning, he may take a look around and see where he fits for young rosters where he could still be The Man. As much as we stink, KP and a top 3 pick is going to seem attractive to him. He is going to live like a king regardless of where he goes. Depends what he wants

My only hesitation on fully believing the FA option, is the public demand for a trade to a contender. (Then again are they any contenders to GS?)

My thought process on this:
The only way NO can extract maximum assets is if they trade him to a place that he will sign a long term deal. I do not think any team that will rent AD is throwing multiple picks and young players..so I do not think he will make free agency.

Durant is different....OKC chose not to trade him and Durant did not let them know that he was not returning...if he did...OKC F'ed up.....but they quickly recovered thru smart mgmt getting PG...

AD is serious about winning but lets not kid ourselves here...he still wants to get paid...he is turning down $240 mill super max....you are not then turning around and signing for half of that...

He also wants a big market...that eliminates half the league...also when a lot of teams go thru FA this year...and sign their own players....Philly w/ Butler, Kawhi w/Tor or the Clips, us and KP's max deal and whatever FA we sign in 2019 and unless we drop TH and roll dollars into 2020.......they will be either capped out or close to it...so a Trade is probably the best way to get $$$ and a winning environment(possibly)..

EwingsGlass wrote:Don’t get me wrong, I really like KP. That said, his tendency to take 18 foot jump shots is a weakness, not a strength. He is a unicorn. But this injury scares me and I worry we overvalue our assets leading up to a large offseason. Given his RFA status, the “value” on KP’s contract is limited, in essence he should be brought up to fair market value, meaning his contract will likely be net zero sum or negative value as he is forced to outperform that contract. Think of Hardaway at 10m a year vs 19m a year. Which contract has more value? AD’s contract at 24m is a stud contract, albeit injury concerns. If you can use KP as the centerpiece there, I think you have to. They basically play the same position anyway.

You are forgetting about the risks of running this plan and losing both KP and AD.
If Knicks propose a trade with KP and AD and/or Pels will turn it out (90% chance ) KP is gone also and nobody will blame him for bolting.
The 10% of getting AD instead of KP is not worth the risk.
This is pretty clear case when FO should fold the hand with bad outs-to-value outcome.
Of course we should present some package out without KP and 1st not 5 protected in case all other suitors will be out of the hand for some reasons. And then if anyone will over-bet just fold. The night is long and it will be many other great players to bet on.

NY is not in his thought process. Good News. Now we can keep building as planned. AD and Lebron wont get out of the Western Conference.