StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

He simply doesnt believe in drafting which is his right i guess but if you look around the league you will see that teams who are contending now have built and still building through the draft. Boston and Philly are two good examples who are already good for the forseeable future with draft picks to spare. The Warriors were built the same way and were a powerhouse even before Durant got there. Unless you get lucky and get lebron you have to focus on the draft and be patient. I remember people made fun of Philly for tanking for years yet now they are set up for awhile and wouldnt be surprised if lebron went there

I didn't get that. He mentioned drafting well, making good trades and signing free agents that fit the team. That doesn't sound that different from what management's plan is. But it isn't an immediate strategy with this management team. They are allowing time for and focusing on development of a young core. Perry has said that the Knicks will not be players in free agency this offseason as they are looking to do more there in 2019. By that time they should have another lottery pick on the roster with the potential to have a good, young core. I don't think the Knicks are looking to trade Frank but I also don't think he should be considered untouchable. I will be surprised if O'Quinn, Kanter, Baker, or Noah are on the roster after this season. I think Lee, and Thomas will be moved if there is any opportunitiy.

Well certainly in the past he hasnt been a fan of building through the draft. I dont think frank should be untouchable but i dont see a deal that either makes sense or realistic that we move him. Im very happy with knick management. I think we are finally doing the right thing

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

He simply doesnt believe in drafting which is his right i guess but if you look around the league you will see that teams who are contending now have built and still building through the draft. Boston and Philly are two good examples who are already good for the forseeable future with draft picks to spare. The Warriors were built the same way and were a powerhouse even before Durant got there. Unless you get lucky and get lebron you have to focus on the draft and be patient. I remember people made fun of Philly for tanking for years yet now they are set up for awhile and wouldnt be surprised if lebron went there

I didn't get that. He mentioned drafting well, making good trades and signing free agents that fit the team. That doesn't sound that different from what management's plan is. But it isn't an immediate strategy with this management team. They are allowing time for and focusing on development of a young core. Perry has said that the Knicks will not be players in free agency this offseason as they are looking to do more there in 2019. By that time they should have another lottery pick on the roster with the potential to have a good, young core. I don't think the Knicks are looking to trade Frank but I also don't think he should be considered untouchable. I will be surprised if O'Quinn, Kanter, Baker, or Noah are on the roster after this season. I think Lee, and Thomas will be moved if there is any opportunitiy.

Well certainly in the past he hasnt been a fan of building through the draft. I dont think frank should be untouchable but i dont see a deal that either makes sense or realistic that we move him. Im very happy with knick management. I think we are finally doing the right thing

I agree about Knicks management. Mills does scare me a bit because of his past but the management and the head coach seem to be on the same page. Also, Fiz got to hire his own staff and most of the front office guys were brought in by Perry.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

He simply doesnt believe in drafting which is his right i guess but if you look around the league you will see that teams who are contending now have built and still building through the draft. Boston and Philly are two good examples who are already good for the forseeable future with draft picks to spare. The Warriors were built the same way and were a powerhouse even before Durant got there. Unless you get lucky and get lebron you have to focus on the draft and be patient. I remember people made fun of Philly for tanking for years yet now they are set up for awhile and wouldnt be surprised if lebron went there

I didn't get that. He mentioned drafting well, making good trades and signing free agents that fit the team. That doesn't sound that different from what management's plan is. But it isn't an immediate strategy with this management team. They are allowing time for and focusing on development of a young core. Perry has said that the Knicks will not be players in free agency this offseason as they are looking to do more there in 2019. By that time they should have another lottery pick on the roster with the potential to have a good, young core. I don't think the Knicks are looking to trade Frank but I also don't think he should be considered untouchable. I will be surprised if O'Quinn, Kanter, Baker, or Noah are on the roster after this season. I think Lee, and Thomas will be moved if there is any opportunitiy.

Well certainly in the past he hasnt been a fan of building through the draft. I dont think frank should be untouchable but i dont see a deal that either makes sense or realistic that we move him. Im very happy with knick management. I think we are finally doing the right thing

How could you say he's not untouchable, then say I don't see a realistic trade for him. So your saying his value is pretty low and you would hate for management to get bamboozle in a trade, then you say your happy with management.

The bar has been lowered to "I'm just happy they haven't done anything stupid" as oppose to "I'm really impress by what management has done or doing.

Im not a fan of the draft when your picks are landry, frye, toney dougles, galloway, thansis, willy, cleanthony, kuz, baker, and any other g league player. You think those players were the core to a championship team.

Thats where the bar has been lowered for me, my expectations are base on what i have seen the knicks do at the draft and their picks after they get them, and perry and mills followed tradition by waiving and trading Kuz and willy

That draft is more miss than hit especially when you don't have proven guys making your picks.

Who would you hire, the guy with a solid track record , or the guy who talks a good game and says he can do it all for cheap

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

He simply doesnt believe in drafting which is his right i guess but if you look around the league you will see that teams who are contending now have built and still building through the draft. Boston and Philly are two good examples who are already good for the forseeable future with draft picks to spare. The Warriors were built the same way and were a powerhouse even before Durant got there. Unless you get lucky and get lebron you have to focus on the draft and be patient. I remember people made fun of Philly for tanking for years yet now they are set up for awhile and wouldnt be surprised if lebron went there

I didn't get that. He mentioned drafting well, making good trades and signing free agents that fit the team. That doesn't sound that different from what management's plan is. But it isn't an immediate strategy with this management team. They are allowing time for and focusing on development of a young core. Perry has said that the Knicks will not be players in free agency this offseason as they are looking to do more there in 2019. By that time they should have another lottery pick on the roster with the potential to have a good, young core. I don't think the Knicks are looking to trade Frank but I also don't think he should be considered untouchable. I will be surprised if O'Quinn, Kanter, Baker, or Noah are on the roster after this season. I think Lee, and Thomas will be moved if there is any opportunitiy.

Well certainly in the past he hasnt been a fan of building through the draft. I dont think frank should be untouchable but i dont see a deal that either makes sense or realistic that we move him. Im very happy with knick management. I think we are finally doing the right thing

How could you say he's not untouchable, then say I don't see a realistic trade for him. So your saying his value is pretty low and you would hate for management to get bamboozle in a trade, then you say your happy with management.

The bar has been lowered to "I'm just happy they haven't done anything stupid" as oppose to "I'm really impress by what management has done or doing.

Im not a fan of the draft when your picks are landry, frye, toney dougles, galloway, thansis, willy, cleanthony, kuz, baker, and any other g league player. You think those players were the core to a championship team.

Thats where the bar has been lowered for me, my expectations are base on what i have seen the knicks do at the draft and their picks after they get them, and perry and mills followed tradition by waiving and trading Kuz and willy

That draft is more miss than hit especially when you don't have proven guys making your picks.

Who would you hire, the guy with a solid track record , or the guy who talks a good game and says he can do it all for cheap

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BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

He simply doesnt believe in drafting which is his right i guess but if you look around the league you will see that teams who are contending now have built and still building through the draft. Boston and Philly are two good examples who are already good for the forseeable future with draft picks to spare. The Warriors were built the same way and were a powerhouse even before Durant got there. Unless you get lucky and get lebron you have to focus on the draft and be patient. I remember people made fun of Philly for tanking for years yet now they are set up for awhile and wouldnt be surprised if lebron went there

I didn't get that. He mentioned drafting well, making good trades and signing free agents that fit the team. That doesn't sound that different from what management's plan is. But it isn't an immediate strategy with this management team. They are allowing time for and focusing on development of a young core. Perry has said that the Knicks will not be players in free agency this offseason as they are looking to do more there in 2019. By that time they should have another lottery pick on the roster with the potential to have a good, young core. I don't think the Knicks are looking to trade Frank but I also don't think he should be considered untouchable. I will be surprised if O'Quinn, Kanter, Baker, or Noah are on the roster after this season. I think Lee, and Thomas will be moved if there is any opportunitiy.

Well certainly in the past he hasnt been a fan of building through the draft. I dont think frank should be untouchable but i dont see a deal that either makes sense or realistic that we move him. Im very happy with knick management. I think we are finally doing the right thing

How could you say he's not untouchable, then say I don't see a realistic trade for him. So your saying his value is pretty low and you would hate for management to get bamboozle in a trade, then you say your happy with management.

The bar has been lowered to "I'm just happy they haven't done anything stupid" as oppose to "I'm really impress by what management has done or doing.

Im not a fan of the draft when your picks are landry, frye, toney dougles, galloway, thansis, willy, cleanthony, kuz, baker, and any other g league player. You think those players were the core to a championship team.

Thats where the bar has been lowered for me, my expectations are base on what i have seen the knicks do at the draft and their picks after they get them, and perry and mills followed tradition by waiving and trading Kuz and willy

That draft is more miss than hit especially when you don't have proven guys making your picks.

Who would you hire, the guy with a solid track record , or the guy who talks a good game and says he can do it all for cheap

Wow you certainly misunderstood badly. When i said there is a realistic trade i was basically saying Franks is VERY VALUABLE to us and unless its for an elite player then i wouldnt tarde him at all. We all know you would trade him for a bag of peanuts or maybe one of those old veterans you love so much from the 54 win team that you gush on and on about.

compare franks value to another player in the NBA, this way I have a better understanding of how high you rate him amongst his peers. Right now it seems like your rating him as an elite player if that's the only player you would trade him for. That's not realistic

If we had DSJ, Tatum, faulk, or kuzmas, you would be laughing at someone dallas fan who came on here and said frank is a better prospect after the season he had. In other word would you feel the same about frank if we never drafted him.

But honestly dude the coaching staff soured me on frank, I think he has a ton of potential, but elite player is a stretch for me