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One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.

The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.

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GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.

Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.

You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.

Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.

Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.

No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.

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GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.

that was my take also. Jeff isnt coaching for his job. He's smart. He's either getting replaced or he isnt, and smart guys know to be themselves. JH doesnt spout and go off for show. Something set him off. Agree w/ Martin's Brad Stevens comment. Do you want to be the best you can be? Play harder. You dont become great by picking your spots. Thats what you do when you have already won for 10 years and now your old. If Timmy's effort isnt up to speed I am sure Dotson would love to get those minutes. To me thats a good message for this crew.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs

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GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.

Dont believe that jumping up and down and waving your arms spastically right in front one of your veterans, during the game is the best way to convey your disapproval.

Especially when the player you are yelling at had been playing hard on both ends of the court.

Call a TO, wait until there is a stoppage in play. I dont see trying to very publicly embarass a player in that situation as the way to go. I dont see that as changing the culture.

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martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.
Dont believe that jumping up and down and waving your arms spastically right in front one of your veterans, during the game is the best way to convey your disapproval.
Especially when the player you are yelling at had been playing hard on both ends of the court.
Call a TO, wait until there is a stoppage in play. I dont see trying to very publicly embarass a player in that situation as the way to go. I dont see that as changing the culture.

Did you see everything up to that point? The film sessions? The practices? This is the point.. Jeff isnt usually like that. Coach gets no benefit of the doubt? There is zero chance that Timmy heard and saw exactly what he needed to? Maybe Tim is the one calling others out and pointing fingers. Maybe Timmy said coach I got this when he didnt. The culture is playing hard and being accountable. There is no scenario that calling out a player on the sideline in real time is appropriate?

This is why this generation of players is so soft to begin with! Everyone is worried about hurting their phucking feelings.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs

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martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.
Dont believe that jumping up and down and waving your arms spastically right in front one of your veterans, during the game is the best way to convey your disapproval.
Especially when the player you are yelling at had been playing hard on both ends of the court.
Call a TO, wait until there is a stoppage in play. I dont see trying to very publicly embarass a player in that situation as the way to go. I dont see that as changing the culture.

This is why this generation of players is so soft to begin with! Everyone is worried about hurting their phucking feelings.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs

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GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.
Dont believe that jumping up and down and waving your arms spastically right in front one of your veterans, during the game is the best way to convey your disapproval.
Especially when the player you are yelling at had been playing hard on both ends of the court.
Call a TO, wait until there is a stoppage in play. I dont see trying to very publicly embarass a player in that situation as the way to go. I dont see that as changing the culture.

Did you see everything up to that point? The film sessions? The practices? This is the point.. Jeff isnt usually like that. Coach gets no benefit of the doubt? There is zero chance that Timmy heard and saw exactly what he needed to? Maybe Tim is the one calling others out and pointing fingers. Maybe Timmy said coach I got this when he didnt. The culture is playing hard and being accountable. There is no scenario that calling out a player on the sideline in real time is appropriate?
This is why this generation of players is so soft to begin with! Everyone is worried about hurting their phucking feelings.

Not talking about feelings, talking about respect.

Should have used more of his energy yelling at Frank. Plenty of times this season where he deserved it for not being aggressive enough. Wonder what the reaction here, would have been if he had?

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fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.
Dont believe that jumping up and down and waving your arms spastically right in front one of your veterans, during the game is the best way to convey your disapproval.
Especially when the player you are yelling at had been playing hard on both ends of the court.
Call a TO, wait until there is a stoppage in play. I dont see trying to very publicly embarass a player in that situation as the way to go. I dont see that as changing the culture.

Did you see everything up to that point? The film sessions? The practices? This is the point.. Jeff isnt usually like that. Coach gets no benefit of the doubt? There is zero chance that Timmy heard and saw exactly what he needed to? Maybe Tim is the one calling others out and pointing fingers. Maybe Timmy said coach I got this when he didnt. The culture is playing hard and being accountable. There is no scenario that calling out a player on the sideline in real time is appropriate?
This is why this generation of players is so soft to begin with! Everyone is worried about hurting their phucking feelings.

Not talking about feelings, talking about respect.
Should have used more of his energy yelling at Frank. Plenty of times this season where he deserved it for not being aggressive enough. Wonder what the reaction here, would have been if he had?

That JH, along with Eny, are getting too emotional

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martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:One thing Hornacek did which I didnt think was a good move, was very demonstrably unloading on THJ for a missed assignment, just a couple of plays after stepping in and taking a charge from a big.
The season is over, these games mean more to Hornacek than anyone else at this point. Timmy is putting himself on the line in a meaningless game, Hornacek should dial it back.
Absolutely 100% the opposite thinking from me.
You play 100% hard all the time, every game, whether you are up by 20 or down by 20. This is how you start culture. Brad Stevens is the hallmark for that for me.
Without actually being in the practices, I would say that the team reviewed defense and defensive assignments and rotations - all the newspapers laid it out for us over the past week. I'm guessing THJr and Beas and maybe more made the mistakes in the face of direct coaching and exact review of that similar situation.
Most coaches just don't fly off the handle for no reason and I think the prevailing opinion - I could be wrong - is that Jeff is pretty easy going on the sidelines all things considered.
No cutting corners on the culture thing. Players, coaches, everyone needs to be putting in full.
Dont believe that jumping up and down and waving your arms spastically right in front one of your veterans, during the game is the best way to convey your disapproval.
Especially when the player you are yelling at had been playing hard on both ends of the court.
Call a TO, wait until there is a stoppage in play. I dont see trying to very publicly embarass a player in that situation as the way to go. I dont see that as changing the culture.

Did you see everything up to that point? The film sessions? The practices? This is the point.. Jeff isnt usually like that. Coach gets no benefit of the doubt? There is zero chance that Timmy heard and saw exactly what he needed to? Maybe Tim is the one calling others out and pointing fingers. Maybe Timmy said coach I got this when he didnt. The culture is playing hard and being accountable. There is no scenario that calling out a player on the sideline in real time is appropriate?
This is why this generation of players is so soft to begin with! Everyone is worried about hurting their phucking feelings.

Not talking about feelings, talking about respect.
Should have used more of his energy yelling at Frank. Plenty of times this season where he deserved it for not being aggressive enough. Wonder what the reaction here, would have been if he had?
That JH, along with Eny, are getting too emotional

Yikes. Minutes wether he's earned it or not, and no yelling at your rookie either, even when he deserves it.

No way the kid will develop a sense of entitlement, expect minutes.

Not like its happened in the recent past, right?

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