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BigRedDog
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1/17/2018  3:59 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

I never heard that Trey isn't a hard worker. Now, I've read people write that he was too shot happy, no not a good defensive player and a bad finisher. Remains to be seen. For all of Trey's NBA experience, he never produced. Trey's impact still bools down to "hope."

You keep writing crap about Burke but its apparent you have an agenda. Fact--Burke was 3rd in NBA rookie of the year voting. Fact- Burke was 1st team NBA rookie team. I think that is producing something in his short NBA career

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1/17/2018  4:16 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

I never heard that Trey isn't a hard worker. Now, I've read people write that he was too shot happy, no not a good defensive player and a bad finisher. Remains to be seen. For all of Trey's NBA experience, he never produced. Trey's impact still bools down to "hope."

You keep writing crap about Burke but its apparent you have an agenda. Fact--Burke was 3rd in NBA rookie of the year voting. Fact- Burke was 1st team NBA rookie team. I think that is producing something in his short NBA career


What agenda?

Burke was selected 9th, in the 2013 NBA Draft.

2013.

In terms of sports timelines, that is FOREVER. At some point, a players draft pedigree becomes irrelevant and it's down to his actual production. No different than some kid graduating Harvard Law. Wow, he graduated Harvard Law. That's nice the first couple of years. Maybe he'll get some slack cut or some different opportunities. But at some point, you have to PRODUCE beyond benchmarks that denote your POTENTIAL.

He was available to every NBA team and the only other one that wanted him had front office elements with a history with him. This team signed him also having a front office guy with a history with him in play.

Burke was available for a reason. He sat in the G League even when the PG situation on this roster was gutted for a reason. He had to sign minimum deal for a reason.

I keep hearing "Well Player X did this when he was 25!" You mean a player who has proven to STAY IN THE LEAGUE AND NOT GET BOUNCED TO THE D/G LEAGUE?

I graduated from Harvard Law half a decade ago! Never mind I suck as a lawyer and every major firm avoided me over time, except for the least they could pay me, and only a few places where I knew people did I get another chance.

In order for some of you to realize this "Burke is solid gold, a hidden gem, someone who can change this team!" narrative, you to assess that 29 OTHER NBA TEAMS AND THEIR ENTIRE FRONT OFFICE/THEIR SCOUTS/THEIR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MEANT NOTHING AND THEY ALL F**KED UP REGARDING TREY BURKE.

For Trey Burke to be something more than what the actual league and marketplace holds him to be, some of you need to HAVE HUNDREDS OF SEASONED NBA TALENT EVALUATORS BE DEAD WRONG. Not just wrong, but INCOMPETENT.

Jack and Sessions ran the point while Burke was toiling in the G League against guys who were 6-7 years younger than him. That's like the guy from Harvard Law waiting behind a couple of guys from the mailroom to get ahead.

What's more likely? Hundreds of NBA executives, GMs and scouts were all wrong about Trey Burke? Or... GASP.. Burke is not everything you think/hope he will be.

What's my agenda? If I had 5 dollars in my pocket and if you had 5 dollars in your pocket, I'd still have more money than you.

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1/17/2018  4:22 PM
NEW YORK — Only in January can the swapping of a third-string point guard for another feel relevant. But when it's the New York Knicks adding a player just four NBA seasons removed from being selected ninth overall in the draft (and still just 25 years old), it's more than seasonal news.

On Sunday, the Knicks officially acquired Trey Burke, a former lottery pick who lit up for the G League for the Knicks' affiliate. Burke averaged 26.6 points per game, the second-best mark in the league, to go along with 5.4 assists. He was named the league's Player of the Month in December, and he seems to be a different player than the one who flamed out after four NBA seasons.

"I wanted to just start from scratch, kind of re-create my brand, show what I can do on a night-in, night-out basis with consistent minutes," Burke told reporters Sunday when asked about his decision to play in the G League. "I think going down there, a lot of people look at it as a knock. But for me, when I went down there, it was more so like a growing period for me. I kind of wanted to start over."


But there's a reason—or a few—that Burke was in that position in the first place.

Did he improve his game to the point where his presence could wind up saving a derailing Knicks squad? Short answer: Eh. Or, as one scout at the NBA G League Showcase last week put it: "He's fine, but if he's you're difference-maker, you're in big trouble."

The thing Burke can do is score. That was never his problem. For his career, he's averaged 15.6 points per 36 minutes. He's quick, elusive and a smooth mid-range shooter. His long-range stroke, meanwhile, has improved immensely since he was drafted. Burke drilled 44.3 percent of the 3.6 triples he launched per game last year with the Wizards; in the G League, he maintained that efficiency (41.8 percent) despite taking nearly three more treys per game.

Put simply, he could provide the Knicks' floundering offense, currently 16th in the NBA, something it doesn't posses: a point guard who can generate looks and also space the floor past the arc.

"[He gives us] a little more of the ability to penetrate, to get into the lane and the push the ball," Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said Sunday. "He's got the ability to hit the outside three-point shot. If teams go under, he can keep them honest."

That last part could help the entire team, especially Kristaps Porzingis. In theory, Burke's presence as the ball-handler on a pick-and-pop could draw Porzingis' man into the paint and give the Knicks' unicorn more time and space—two things he rarely has—to let the ball fly.

But one of Burke's limitations since entering the NBA has been his inability to create for others. It's one of the reasons the team that originally drafted him, the Jazz, dumped him onto the Wizards for the measly price of a second-round pick and why the Wizards this summer declined to offer him a contract.

"He's a scorer, not a playmaker," said another scout, a sentiment echoed by multiple talent evaluators at the G League Showcase. Relative to how much offense he created, Burke's assist rate during his two final years in Utah was one the worst marks in the league, according to Cleaning the Glass.

He did improve that number considerably last season in Washington, and he said Sunday that part of the reason he elected to sign with a G League team out of training camp instead of pursuing other NBA opportunities was to prove that he could, indeed, quarterback an offense.

"Can he lead a team, run a team, defend—there were certain questions that I feel like when I went down there I was able to prove and show," Burke said. "With consistent minutes."

Which, of course, he won't be seeing with the Knicks, at least not for a while. They're still comfortable with Jarrett Jack as the starter, and nearly all other PG minutes are reserved for rookie Frank Ntilikina, who the Knicks would like to see develop throughout the year.

Burke, not surprisingly, spent his first game with the Knicks active but on the bench, and Hornacek acknowledged it could be difficult to find him minutes in the immediate future. He did play eight minutes the following day against the Brooklyn Nets (and scored five points go to along with two assists), but part of that was because the Knicks were playing the second game of a back-to-back.

There's also the issues that Burke has had on the defensive end. He's a thin 6'1" and never prioritized stopping opponents. Also, as he acknowledged in a recent interview with CBS Sports' James Herbert, he had trouble adjusting to life as a professional basketball player after being drafted.

Yet there's no arguing that signing Burke was a smart move. There's no downside. Best-case scenario: It turns out he has changed and improved and morphed into a player worthy of a lottery tag, and the Knicks strike gold. Worst case: He remains a score-first point guard who doesn't help his teammates and spends most games glued to the bench.

The latter scenario might not excite fans, but it's the more likely outcome.

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1/17/2018  6:11 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

I never heard that Trey isn't a hard worker. Now, I've read people write that he was too shot happy, no not a good defensive player and a bad finisher. Remains to be seen. For all of Trey's NBA experience, he never produced. Trey's impact still bools down to "hope."

You keep writing crap about Burke but its apparent you have an agenda. Fact--Burke was 3rd in NBA rookie of the year voting. Fact- Burke was 1st team NBA rookie team. I think that is producing something in his short NBA career


not sure why people are dogging him...he's a great comeback story if he pans out. also as jack gets slowly phased out of rotation...the speed that he brings is essential to our 3 point shooting percentages and therefore our success. he's a threat on the floor. that's what matters.

with frank, as he grows into a threat offensively, for the time being teams are ok with leaving him open because they know 65-70% at least from the outside, he's going to miss.

his stroke is smooth, arc looks good, not sure if shooting instincts are there on a quick draw. he definitely needs to make the jump and make it fast (1 more season) otherwise KP is going to leave him in the dust and want a different PG who can take pressure off him and THJr

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1/17/2018  6:29 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

I never heard that Trey isn't a hard worker. Now, I've read people write that he was too shot happy, no not a good defensive player and a bad finisher. Remains to be seen. For all of Trey's NBA experience, he never produced. Trey's impact still bools down to "hope."

You keep writing crap about Burke but its apparent you have an agenda. Fact--Burke was 3rd in NBA rookie of the year voting. Fact- Burke was 1st team NBA rookie team. I think that is producing something in his short NBA career


Wow, that's pretty impressive...the Jazz must've found their point guard of the future! I wonder why they drafted another point guard in the lottery that year? That doesn't sound like the type of guy you'd trade for a second-rounder after three years, does it? I mean, why would a team bring Brandon Jennings when they had a first-team all rookie player in 2013 sitting on their roster? Because he sucked. That's not speculation, that's a fact. Do you think everyone has an agenda when they say Willy doesn't deserve to play? He made All Rookie team. What about Landry Fields? Do you think he got a raw deal and belongs in the league? He made first-team All-Rookie too. I have no agenda, but some of these expectation for Burke are ridiculous. He could prove me wrong. I hope he proves me wrong. But his past performance tells me it's unlikely.
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Burke's play positively impacted Frank...

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