Zebo13 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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There is just a way he competes
Hard to teach that

Yeah man I love his hustle and awareness. He's going to make some mistakes but I prefer they let him play thru them cuz he's only going to get better. I still see a PG version of Kawhi as he physically develops and improves his skills.

I think I have seen 6 5" frank dunk maybe once since the knicks drafted him. I don't know why some of you think this kid is going to turn into some speed coast to coast player, who will be able to finish at the rim. At best he will be a 3-D pg.

He made two 3 points yesterday, on his second one, he was open for about 5 seconds still looking to pass, and finally shot it. When shooting is a 3rd or 4th option for a player, it's hard to believe that your going to change him into a 1st or 2nd option shooter.

Frank is a traditional PG in a league full of Combo pg

If that’s all you’ve seen from Frank then you need to get your eyes checked.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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There is just a way he competes
Hard to teach that

Yeah man I love his hustle and awareness. He's going to make some mistakes but I prefer they let him play thru them cuz he's only going to get better. I still see a PG version of Kawhi as he physically develops and improves his skills.

I think I have seen 6 5" frank dunk maybe once since the knicks drafted him. I don't know why some of you think this kid is going to turn into some speed coast to coast player, who will be able to finish at the rim. At best he will be a 3-D pg.

He made two 3 points yesterday, on his second one, he was open for about 5 seconds still looking to pass, and finally shot it. When shooting is a 3rd or 4th option for a player, it's hard to believe that your going to change him into a 1st or 2nd option shooter.

Frank is a traditional PG in a league full of Combo pg

Zebo13 wrote:I’ve been trying to think of who his D reminds me of. Some guy in twitter nailed it. Pippen! Long arms, strong body, gritty toughness. I saw him pregame too, he looked jacked up and ready to go, knew he was gonna have a big game.

I never thought of Pippen. That’s a good one.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His defense has never went into question, and I'm certainly not comparing him to kawhi. Im willing to accept Frank for they type of player he is, and bring in another pg that does the things he doesnt

Frank is the second youngest player in the league, to suggest that THIS will be the player he will become is nothing short of incredibly naive

When KP was 19, you heard the same talk about his age, and in 3 ys, other than his scoring(more touches)his #s are almost exactly the same from yr 1, Im talking rebounds, FG%, 3 point%, assist, steals, blocks http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingis he is who he is. I'm expecting him to get better, but I seriously doubt he'll be a double double guy

All i'm saying your not going to turn frank into a DSJ type player, just like you won't turn DSJ into a pass first pg. If frank is a player that does a little bit of everything , sort of like a glue guy, and defense is his ticket, so be it. But don't sit here and tell me frank is going to become this fast pace, penetrating, dunking through traffic, shoot 1st or 2nd type pg. That's not in his DNA (IMO).

I appreciate what he brings to the table, the question I'm posing is if He's the right pg (as a starter)to run JH's system, also, are the knicks trying to change his game, or are they trying to get him better at what he's already good at?

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His defense has never went into question, and I'm certainly not comparing him to kawhi. Im willing to accept Frank for they type of player he is, and bring in another pg that does the things he doesnt

Frank is the second youngest player in the league, to suggest that THIS will be the player he will become is nothing short of incredibly naive

When KP was 19, you heard the same talk about his age, and in 3 ys, other than his scoring(more touches)his #s are almost exactly the same from yr 1, Im talking rebounds, FG%, 3 point%, assist, steals, blocks http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingis he is who he is. I'm expecting him to get better, but I seriously doubt he'll be a double double guy

All i'm saying your not going to turn frank into a DSJ type player, just like you won't turn DSJ into a pass first pg. If frank is a player that does a little bit of everything , sort of like a glue guy, and defense is his ticket, so be it. But don't sit here and tell me frank is going to become this fast pace, penetrating, dunking through traffic, shoot 1st or 2nd type pg. That's not in his DNA (IMO).

I appreciate what he brings to the table, the question I'm posing is if He's the right pg (as a starter)to run JH's system, also, are the knicks trying to change his game, or are they trying to get him better at what he's already good at?

It's possible that Frank develops his drive but I don't think it'll reach above average levels at best. But I'll take a 3 and D guy with good court vision over what we've had for the last decade. Frank might be fitted with a fast athletic team that runs the court and can use his court vision on the break. He's not going to be a guy that breaks down the D and creates off penetration. Offense in half court is harder and less efficient even when you do have a dynamic PG, so in the years to come maybe our roster shapes up more like this.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His defense has never went into question, and I'm certainly not comparing him to kawhi. Im willing to accept Frank for they type of player he is, and bring in another pg that does the things he doesnt

Frank is the second youngest player in the league, to suggest that THIS will be the player he will become is nothing short of incredibly naive

When KP was 19, you heard the same talk about his age, and in 3 ys, other than his scoring(more touches)his #s are almost exactly the same from yr 1, Im talking rebounds, FG%, 3 point%, assist, steals, blocks http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingis he is who he is. I'm expecting him to get better, but I seriously doubt he'll be a double double guy

All i'm saying your not going to turn frank into a DSJ type player, just like you won't turn DSJ into a pass first pg. If frank is a player that does a little bit of everything , sort of like a glue guy, and defense is his ticket, so be it. But don't sit here and tell me frank is going to become this fast pace, penetrating, dunking through traffic, shoot 1st or 2nd type pg. That's not in his DNA (IMO).

I appreciate what he brings to the table, the question I'm posing is if He's the right pg (as a starter)to run JH's system, also, are the knicks trying to change his game, or are they trying to get him better at what he's already good at?

You literally have zero context in anything you think about or write.

KP came in as a skinny kid who could barely post up and had a decent stroke, showed some flashes.

KP started this season showing possible franchise, number 1 option, possible top 10 player in the league potential.

He is still adjusting.

You just are not good at seeing potential.

Where did i say he doesn't have potential, and since that 1st couple of wks, his shooting percentage hase nose dive, the memo on how to defend him has clearly circulated throughout the league. shooting 46% in nov, 41% in dec, and 33% so far in january.http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingishe's volume shooting now dude..

A player reaches his potential when he is put in a position to succeed, and we are not doing that. As you can see he's numbers aren't trending upward,

In fact, the only adjustment we have made, is telling him to rush his shots before the double comes, and the results aren't positive.(I am giving the lack of THJ some credit for that)

If he was playing for MDA(much more familiar with international players), he would be avg more assist, shooting more 3's (currently 37%) and getting easy dunks.

To me, it's all about the system and the fit, kp barely gets easy dunks and layups, and the system and the way your using him, has a lot to do with that.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His defense has never went into question, and I'm certainly not comparing him to kawhi. Im willing to accept Frank for they type of player he is, and bring in another pg that does the things he doesnt

Frank is the second youngest player in the league, to suggest that THIS will be the player he will become is nothing short of incredibly naive

When KP was 19, you heard the same talk about his age, and in 3 ys, other than his scoring(more touches)his #s are almost exactly the same from yr 1, Im talking rebounds, FG%, 3 point%, assist, steals, blocks http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingis he is who he is. I'm expecting him to get better, but I seriously doubt he'll be a double double guy

All i'm saying your not going to turn frank into a DSJ type player, just like you won't turn DSJ into a pass first pg. If frank is a player that does a little bit of everything , sort of like a glue guy, and defense is his ticket, so be it. But don't sit here and tell me frank is going to become this fast pace, penetrating, dunking through traffic, shoot 1st or 2nd type pg. That's not in his DNA (IMO).

I appreciate what he brings to the table, the question I'm posing is if He's the right pg (as a starter)to run JH's system, also, are the knicks trying to change his game, or are they trying to get him better at what he's already good at?

...Or maybe you just need to wait and watch.

Not sure why you need a Smith type guard to run Hornacek's offense...Frank is a good passer, and you even see him showing some quickness going to the basket, now. We still don't run as many screens of the kind that most PGs use to get free. Not sure why that is, but I can't see why Frank, who looks to pass first, is not a good fit in Horny's offense. He does need to be more selfish looking for his shot, but over the next 3-5 years, I doubt he gets past 15 PPG. And with some of the scorers we have, why would you expect him to be taking more than 10 shots a game at this time.

KP, Kanter, THJ, Lee and others on the team can score, why not have a PG who is pass first, and not a Derrick Rose type of player?

Better to revisit things in a few year, and this is true of any player in the draft. Frank has a lot of room to develop as a player, especially RE his confidence, but his biggest development will be physical, as he fills out and maybe adds a little height. It will make a big difference on both ends of the floor, but the only way to find out is wait, and looking back doesn't speed things up.