HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Gudris wrote:KP is legit number 1 option, problem with Knicks today is we don't have real number 2,3,4 and 5 option that can take load of KP in every game.

One day Beasly steps up, one day Kanter or Lee, but we need this every game, Knicks need time to grow and update

it looks like we will miss the playoffs this year also

Bingo
How many stars could carry a team whose second option is CLee or Beasley?
Défense licks their chops.
They know they can sink in on KP.

KP himself is tired but is also getting virtually zero easy baskets a game. Meanwhile also protecting the basket.

Excuses excuses excuses. Funny..so much defense for KP needing more help from the same guys who thought Melo had enought and blamed him for not doing what your excusing KP for not doing now. Dont see why this team should not be a legit playoff team. Specially with Timmy healthy. This is the deepest we have been in years, Only thing we are missing is a top PG and a legit 3. But again, as we stand we should be a 5 to 7 seed.

As for thread topic. Think KP definately needs a number 1. And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch you have to understand todays NBA and high level basketball. KP is just not a creator. NO knock on him girls, just a fact that a 7'3 is not a guy that can break down a defense and create for himself or OTHERS. He needs a guy that can do that for him and enable him to get open looks. You look at all the really good teams today and they all have this. NO has Davis, who is by far better than KP, and they have not won anything because of it. Again, no knock on KP but he needs a guy that can create and get him the ball in the righ spots. Irving would have been a perfect piece to go with KP. Dont hear much from the guys on here that thought Irving was over rated.

Knicks built around Melo the last year were more talented than this years team around KP. I mean CLee was a 4th option and now he's a second option with THJ hurt. DRose and KP. Yet Melo took them where?

This years team around KP is better than last years team around Melo. You know why? They defend. Not because KP is a better scorer than Melo but KP himself defends and the team follows his lead. KP is also not the ball dominant player Melo is.

Meanwhile let's take a look at OKC ... they have underachieved and that makes two straight years Melo is on a team that really underachieved. Coincidence?

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Gudris wrote:KP is legit number 1 option, problem with Knicks today is we don't have real number 2,3,4 and 5 option that can take load of KP in every game.

One day Beasly steps up, one day Kanter or Lee, but we need this every game, Knicks need time to grow and update

it looks like we will miss the playoffs this year also

Bingo
How many stars could carry a team whose second option is CLee or Beasley?
Défense licks their chops.
They know they can sink in on KP.

KP himself is tired but is also getting virtually zero easy baskets a game. Meanwhile also protecting the basket.

Excuses excuses excuses. Funny..so much defense for KP needing more help from the same guys who thought Melo had enought and blamed him for not doing what your excusing KP for not doing now. Dont see why this team should not be a legit playoff team. Specially with Timmy healthy. This is the deepest we have been in years, Only thing we are missing is a top PG and a legit 3. But again, as we stand we should be a 5 to 7 seed.

As for thread topic. Think KP definately needs a number 1. And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch you have to understand todays NBA and high level basketball. KP is just not a creator. NO knock on him girls, just a fact that a 7'3 is not a guy that can break down a defense and create for himself or OTHERS. He needs a guy that can do that for him and enable him to get open looks. You look at all the really good teams today and they all have this. NO has Davis, who is by far better than KP, and they have not won anything because of it. Again, no knock on KP but he needs a guy that can create and get him the ball in the righ spots. Irving would have been a perfect piece to go with KP. Dont hear much from the guys on here that thought Irving was over rated.

Knicks built around Melo the last year were more talented than this years team around KP. I mean CLee was a 4th option and now he's a second option with THJ hurt. DRose and KP. Yet Melo took them where?

This years team around KP is better than last years team around Melo. You know why? They defend. Not because KP is a better scorer than Melo but KP himself defends and the team follows his lead. KP is also not the ball dominant player Melo is.

Meanwhile let's take a look at OKC ... they have underachieved and that makes two straight years Melo is on a team that really underachieved. Coincidence?

They're defend better because they have a plan that the players and coaching staff came to terms with, how many stories you have to hear of the complete confusion from players to coaching staff before you come to grips with "IT WASN'T ALL MELOS FAULT". Lets not for get 66 games for kp, 63 games for rose, 35 game for noah, 39 games for lance, half a season for Jennings, and a host of off court drama.

At this point if we don't make some adjustments to the roster and system this yr, Kiss the playoffs good by. We are 3-7 in the last 10, we have become all to predictable. We have 4 guys (lance, lee, Kp, mcd) who shot the 3 better than most, and yet shoot the least amount of 3's in the league.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He has many years ahead of him to work on becoming one.

Doubt we can draft one ready made to star either. No rookie can be counted on out of the box.
Not saying Dotson is the one, and he is built like a shooting guard.

We all looking for answers. There are none.
Who would ever thought Curry and Klay (before Durant) would become discussed as the best back court in the history of the game? Two time MVP and the other shoot the daylights out!! Not since Goodrich and West were paired as their statistically been a pair that good.
Picked 6th and 11th.

The answer is to keep building and developing. KP has talent worth gambling on. And worst case get enough talent eventually that he doesn't have to carry a team as a superstar. His youth given that he has been drafted by us an not traded for later in his career gives us this luxury.

Exactly right. It's impossible to predict long term who will fill what holes. The last thing i want to do is speed up the process with guys who only improve us slightly. We have so much time with KP and Ntilikina as the core. Hardaway and Kanter help us now, but at age 25, we have a big window with them included too. I expect Dotson to be a long-term 3 & D wing and us to add another good piece in the 1st round this year. I think we become a playoff team next year just with internal improvement. But we have time to figure it all out.

Knixkik wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Michael Beasley is Batman, sometimes

I mean not really because he does what he does because teams aren't game-planning to defend him. They are focused on shutting down Porzingis. Beasley is able to do a lot of what he does because all of the attention is on Porzingis.

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Michael Beasley is Batman, sometimes

I mean not really because he does what he does because teams aren't game-planning to defend him. They are focused on shutting down Porzingis. Beasley is able to do a lot of what he does because all of the attention is on Porzingis.

I know man I'm kidding, Beasley will never be a reliable player because half time the dude forces out of control shots. He is great as Porzingis's back up PF 15-20 minutes a night but playing him at SF with Porzingis and O'Quinn or Kanter is a frickin nightmare. The only reason we weren't humiliated is because the Bulls guards can't shoot.

I agree, that lineup was bad. It's just an iso lineup. We need floor spacers in there. Beasley is the perfect KP backup/insurance plan. And he can play minutes at PF next to Porzingis at center. But not sure why they stuck with this lineup.

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Gudris wrote:KP is legit number 1 option, problem with Knicks today is we don't have real number 2,3,4 and 5 option that can take load of KP in every game.

One day Beasly steps up, one day Kanter or Lee, but we need this every game, Knicks need time to grow and update

it looks like we will miss the playoffs this year also

Bingo
How many stars could carry a team whose second option is CLee or Beasley?
Défense licks their chops.
They know they can sink in on KP.

KP himself is tired but is also getting virtually zero easy baskets a game. Meanwhile also protecting the basket.

Excuses excuses excuses. Funny..so much defense for KP needing more help from the same guys who thought Melo had enought and blamed him for not doing what your excusing KP for not doing now. Dont see why this team should not be a legit playoff team. Specially with Timmy healthy. This is the deepest we have been in years, Only thing we are missing is a top PG and a legit 3. But again, as we stand we should be a 5 to 7 seed.

As for thread topic. Think KP definately needs a number 1. And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch you have to understand todays NBA and high level basketball. KP is just not a creator. NO knock on him girls, just a fact that a 7'3 is not a guy that can break down a defense and create for himself or OTHERS. He needs a guy that can do that for him and enable him to get open looks. You look at all the really good teams today and they all have this. NO has Davis, who is by far better than KP, and they have not won anything because of it. Again, no knock on KP but he needs a guy that can create and get him the ball in the righ spots. Irving would have been a perfect piece to go with KP. Dont hear much from the guys on here that thought Irving was over rated.

Knicks built around Melo the last year were more talented than this years team around KP. I mean CLee was a 4th option and now he's a second option with THJ hurt. DRose and KP. Yet Melo took them where?

This years team around KP is better than last years team around Melo. You know why? They defend. Not because KP is a better scorer than Melo but KP himself defends and the team follows his lead. KP is also not the ball dominant player Melo is.

Meanwhile let's take a look at OKC ... they have underachieved and that makes two straight years Melo is on a team that really underachieved. Coincidence?

They're defend better because they have a plan that the players and coaching staff came to terms with, how many stories you have to hear of the complete confusion from players to coaching staff before you come to grips with "IT WASN'T ALL MELOS FAULT". Lets not for get 66 games for kp, 63 games for rose, 35 game for noah, 39 games for lance, half a season for Jennings, and a host of off court drama.

At this point if we don't make some adjustments to the roster and system this yr, Kiss the playoffs good by. We are 3-7 in the last 10, we have become all to predictable. We have 4 guys (lance, lee, Kp, mcd) who shot the 3 better than most, and yet shoot the least amount of 3's in the league.

What ever you do dont bring up the fact that the guy who was the cause of our terrible defense is ranked top 50 in defense and his team ranked higher than the Knicks. Because defense is an individual comcept. Not a team one.

NBA Hustle stats - all defensive stats: deflections, shots contested, etc etc. Guess who's only 5 or 6 slots behind Lebron?
And also, don't mention how KP's defense was stellar while the One We Do Not Speak Of was still here. KP obviously needs a Lopez type. Not a Kanter.

That game with Chicago last night was painful to listen to, let alone watch. The second Finlandian? Finlander? Finlandee? in the league using our unicorn boy like a warm baby wipe.