Nalod wrote:Thank goodness we got Knick1248 to get Ntilikina in the pick up games!
Advanced metrics show playing basketball is good for NBA players.

lol..I went to his hotel the other day and got in to him about not playing pick up games..he's good listener

anrst wrote:this is nice. But Melo will never be the DadMelo some people want him to be and think he can be.

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anrst wrote:this is nice. But Melo will never be the DadMelo some people want him to be and think he can be.

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I think Melo could have been a even more special player if DadMelo was default mode with IsoMelo showing only for late shotclock and later game situations, or when he is insanely hot.

JabStepMelo crushes the heart of his own team.

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and Melo is forceful on only going to Houston--th only reasonable solution is to "keep him away from the team" until a suitable trade can be found. If that means he sits a season---thats that. Id like to play melo at a reduced role--but if the Knicks feel its in their best interests--than do what you have to do. Weve seen this in sports many times--just kep the player home until a reasonable trade comes calling. Hopefully Melo increases his trade list and everyone can walk away happy.

They should do what any respected professional franchise would do. Move on by taking the hit for signing him to a NTC and changing directions. All respectable businesses know they have to pay the price for a mistake. They take it like men and move on. Specially after the previous Prez trashed him. But most Knick fans want to keep acting like this is a middle school team and they can force players to do anything they want even after screwing them. What are the long term repercussions of being a unprofessional franchise? Clue...look at the Knicks. Would hate to do business with that type of mindset. Mills hits me as that type as well. Reason why I think the Knicks are not any closer to being a respectable franchise. We have the same slimy guys at the top. Luckily for Melo, he has all the power and will win out by forcing the back stabbing front office to deal him to a place that is best for him.

Btw Briggs...do you expect people you screw over and trash publicly, to help you out? Where does this thinking come from? Why would Melo help the Knicks out? For fans like you that would throw a player to the gutter for yiurniwn selfish interest? I know I wouldn't. And dedinately would not waive my trade kicker.

Melo is being ridiculous with giving only ONE OPTION so F Melo! Let him stay until we can get a better deal for the franchise.

You don't know if Mills is slimy and actually many of the old Front Office guys have good reputations. The narrative you've bought into is mostly Media Driven and there are lots of agendas behind that. Melo would be gone already if not for his ridiculous stance of only one destination.

Contrary to your and Melo's belief he does not hold all the cards because the Knicks don't have to trade him. Taking on a bad contract is more detrimental than Melo's presence next season would be!

Ridiculous? So exercising his NTC that Phil gave him after being trashed is ridiculous? Spoken like a true selfish fan. Props. He holds all the cards. He will go to his desired destination. Or stay. Think he is ok with both. But know he will be in Houston before the season starts. Knicks know it roo.

My issue is narrowing it to only ONE TEAM! That is some BS and I hope the Knicks refuse to make a deal that doesn't benefit the team. I'm a KNICKS FAN so by nature I'm selfish for my team. If Melo isn't being reasonable he can go kick rocks!!! You're making me question if you're truly a Knicks Fan with the way you're talking.

Seems to me Melo is not going to be traded if the only option is taking back Ryan Anderson. I can live with Melo staying rather than screw up our future just to trade him.

Nix. Think you are taking all this a bit personal? We were talking "Ridiculous" but lets move on to "reasonable". Melo is not forcing the Knicks to take on a trade they do not want or will hurt the franchise. He has not demanded a trade like some(Irving) Probably something any other player would have done after the Phil grumpy old man episodes. He is not the one who told the other that he wants to go in a different direction. The Knicks have not offered to give up 8 Million to trade him. Think you are transferring your frustration. Think it should be on the Knicks front office. My point earlier. Which is the thing I think needs to change more than anything before we ever change the direction of this franchise.

To me, its reasonable (Professional) for the Knicks to own their mistakes and take on the cost of changing their minds. It was a mistake for Phil to give him a NTC. Their is a risk in that. You are currently seing the risks of such a clause. (Btw, just given to THjr and Baker). It dimishes a players trade value and pigeon holes your viable options to where the player wants to go. So we should be mad at the player for doing such a risky move? Or the front office?

Your upset because Melo does not want to bend over for an organazation that trashed him? He should allow the Knicks to trade him to any crappy team and continue his carreer on another dysfunctional organazation? Please explain what part of any of this is "Unreasonable"?

nixluva wrote:Melo is being ridiculous with giving only ONE OPTION so F Melo! Let him stay until we can get a better deal for the franchise.

It's unfortunate you take this type of stance ( but take whatever stance you want, it's a free country) because it just offers soft justification for guys like jrodmc and Hofstra that everyone out there is persecuting Melo on a personal level and it's not about his lack of leadership and max effort in his play as a Knick.

Most people on here generally don't have a problem with Melo exercising his right to use his NTC as he sees fit. He negotiated for it, he got it, its in his contract, if he wants to use it, let him.

Most people DO HAVE A PROBLEM with Melo's lack of max effort on the court. This has nothing to do with his NTC but has everything to do with how his current trade value stands. If Melo played the game the right way, kept developing his game, basically acted like a leader, then the Knicks probably don't want to trade him. If he did these things and they wanted to trade him, more teams would want him and more teams would give up more for him, making a trade fit easier.

The more you push this "Knicks are entitled to something regarding Melo's NTC" , it just offers ammo to the exhausting and relentless logical fallacy bombs, ad hominem and lack of logic from guys like jrodmc and Hofstra. Those guys don't even pretend anymore to be anything other than Melo shills here.

As for Briggs and others saying, just bench Melo and send him home, I fail to see how that actually works out without backfiring in a horrible way for this franchise. If he's healthy, Melo has to start. Anything else would look like leverage to get him to waive his NTC for more teams and frankly, Melo would have a point if that happened given the lack of talent on this team. If anyone suggests something that would make Melo seem even somewhat sympathetic for being a hero ball selfish anti-team shotjacker, then that's probably a truly horrible idea.

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and Melo is forceful on only going to Houston--th only reasonable solution is to "keep him away from the team" until a suitable trade can be found. If that means he sits a season---thats that. Id like to play melo at a reduced role--but if the Knicks feel its in their best interests--than do what you have to do. Weve seen this in sports many times--just kep the player home until a reasonable trade comes calling. Hopefully Melo increases his trade list and everyone can walk away happy.

They should do what any respected professional franchise would do. Move on by taking the hit for signing him to a NTC and changing directions. All respectable businesses know they have to pay the price for a mistake. They take it like men and move on. Specially after the previous Prez trashed him. But most Knick fans want to keep acting like this is a middle school team and they can force players to do anything they want even after screwing them. What are the long term repercussions of being a unprofessional franchise? Clue...look at the Knicks. Would hate to do business with that type of mindset. Mills hits me as that type as well. Reason why I think the Knicks are not any closer to being a respectable franchise. We have the same slimy guys at the top. Luckily for Melo, he has all the power and will win out by forcing the back stabbing front office to deal him to a place that is best for him.

Btw Briggs...do you expect people you screw over and trash publicly, to help you out? Where does this thinking come from? Why would Melo help the Knicks out? For fans like you that would throw a player to the gutter for yiurniwn selfish interest? I know I wouldn't. And dedinately would not waive my trade kicker.

Melo is being ridiculous with giving only ONE OPTION so F Melo! Let him stay until we can get a better deal for the franchise.

You don't know if Mills is slimy and actually many of the old Front Office guys have good reputations. The narrative you've bought into is mostly Media Driven and there are lots of agendas behind that. Melo would be gone already if not for his ridiculous stance of only one destination.

Contrary to your and Melo's belief he does not hold all the cards because the Knicks don't have to trade him. Taking on a bad contract is more detrimental than Melo's presence next season would be!

Ridiculous? So exercising his NTC that Phil gave him after being trashed is ridiculous? Spoken like a true selfish fan. Props. He holds all the cards. He will go to his desired destination. Or stay. Think he is ok with both. But know he will be in Houston before the season starts. Knicks know it roo.

My issue is narrowing it to only ONE TEAM! That is some BS and I hope the Knicks refuse to make a deal that doesn't benefit the team. I'm a KNICKS FAN so by nature I'm selfish for my team. If Melo isn't being reasonable he can go kick rocks!!! You're making me question if you're truly a Knicks Fan with the way you're talking.

Seems to me Melo is not going to be traded if the only option is taking back Ryan Anderson. I can live with Melo staying rather than screw up our future just to trade him.

Nix. Think you are taking all this a bit personal? We were talking "Ridiculous" but lets move on to "reasonable". Melo is not forcing the Knicks to take on a trade they do not want or will hurt the franchise. He has not demanded a trade like some(Irving) Probably something any other player would have done after the Phil grumpy old man episodes. He is not the one who told the other that he wants to go in a different direction. The Knicks have not offered to give up 8 Million to trade him. Think you are transferring your frustration. Think it should be on the Knicks front office. My point earlier. Which is the thing I think needs to change more than anything before we ever change the direction of this franchise.

To me, its reasonable (Professional) for the Knicks to own their mistakes and take on the cost of changing their minds. It was a mistake for Phil to give him a NTC. Their is a risk in that. You are currently seing the risks of such a clause. (Btw, just given to THjr and Baker). It dimishes a players trade value and pigeon holes your viable options to where the player wants to go. So we should be mad at the player for doing such a risky move? Or the front office?

Your upset because Melo does not want to bend over for an organazation that trashed him? He should allow the Knicks to trade him to any crappy team and continue his carreer on another dysfunctional organazation? Please explain what part of any of this is "Unreasonable"?

Well if we're being real here the only reason Phil did what he did was because Melo pretty much mounted a rebellion. Melo as a team leader should be the one keeping the players in line and supporting the coach. He was a terrible example for the rest of the roster.

Melo knows they wanted him to buy in and he resisted. All Phil asked was not to break the offense and hold the ball too much. Melo refused to do these simple things. He brought the scorn on himself. Even his trade demand of only Houston is just more defiance. If Melo is going to be on this team he has to buy in for his sake and the team.

Rebellion? https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2730375-kristaps-porzingis-reportedly-skipped-exit-meeting-due-to-jeff-hornacek-issues.amp.html

Resisted? You make it seem as Melo was asked to stop wearing red socks and he resisted. Asking Melo to be a different type of player is like asking Curry to stop shooting 28 footers. Or asking Korver to become a post up player. Not that easy to get yourself to change something you have been doing all your life. But okay, lets run witj the idea that he "resiated"..so what about Dadmelo and him agreeing to do so?

Btw. A good Prez/GM knows this and does not give a player that does not fit his system a NTC. Again, your giving no blame to the front office for pitting a wrong piece (Melo) on a team that requires a different type of player. Same issue I had with the Knicks putting the right pieces around Melo. Reason to fear their (Dolan/Mills) ability to do so around anyone we get (KP)

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and Melo is forceful on only going to Houston--th only reasonable solution is to "keep him away from the team" until a suitable trade can be found. If that means he sits a season---thats that. Id like to play melo at a reduced role--but if the Knicks feel its in their best interests--than do what you have to do. Weve seen this in sports many times--just kep the player home until a reasonable trade comes calling. Hopefully Melo increases his trade list and everyone can walk away happy.

They should do what any respected professional franchise would do. Move on by taking the hit for signing him to a NTC and changing directions. All respectable businesses know they have to pay the price for a mistake. They take it like men and move on. Specially after the previous Prez trashed him. But most Knick fans want to keep acting like this is a middle school team and they can force players to do anything they want even after screwing them. What are the long term repercussions of being a unprofessional franchise? Clue...look at the Knicks. Would hate to do business with that type of mindset. Mills hits me as that type as well. Reason why I think the Knicks are not any closer to being a respectable franchise. We have the same slimy guys at the top. Luckily for Melo, he has all the power and will win out by forcing the back stabbing front office to deal him to a place that is best for him.

Btw Briggs...do you expect people you screw over and trash publicly, to help you out? Where does this thinking come from? Why would Melo help the Knicks out? For fans like you that would throw a player to the gutter for yiurniwn selfish interest? I know I wouldn't. And dedinately would not waive my trade kicker.

Melo is being ridiculous with giving only ONE OPTION so F Melo! Let him stay until we can get a better deal for the franchise.

You don't know if Mills is slimy and actually many of the old Front Office guys have good reputations. The narrative you've bought into is mostly Media Driven and there are lots of agendas behind that. Melo would be gone already if not for his ridiculous stance of only one destination.

Contrary to your and Melo's belief he does not hold all the cards because the Knicks don't have to trade him. Taking on a bad contract is more detrimental than Melo's presence next season would be!

Ridiculous? So exercising his NTC that Phil gave him after being trashed is ridiculous? Spoken like a true selfish fan. Props. He holds all the cards. He will go to his desired destination. Or stay. Think he is ok with both. But know he will be in Houston before the season starts. Knicks know it roo.

My issue is narrowing it to only ONE TEAM! That is some BS and I hope the Knicks refuse to make a deal that doesn't benefit the team. I'm a KNICKS FAN so by nature I'm selfish for my team. If Melo isn't being reasonable he can go kick rocks!!! You're making me question if you're truly a Knicks Fan with the way you're talking.

Seems to me Melo is not going to be traded if the only option is taking back Ryan Anderson. I can live with Melo staying rather than screw up our future just to trade him.

Nix. Think you are taking all this a bit personal? We were talking "Ridiculous" but lets move on to "reasonable". Melo is not forcing the Knicks to take on a trade they do not want or will hurt the franchise. He has not demanded a trade like some(Irving) Probably something any other player would have done after the Phil grumpy old man episodes. He is not the one who told the other that he wants to go in a different direction. The Knicks have not offered to give up 8 Million to trade him. Think you are transferring your frustration. Think it should be on the Knicks front office. My point earlier. Which is the thing I think needs to change more than anything before we ever change the direction of this franchise.

To me, its reasonable (Professional) for the Knicks to own their mistakes and take on the cost of changing their minds. It was a mistake for Phil to give him a NTC. Their is a risk in that. You are currently seing the risks of such a clause. (Btw, just given to THjr and Baker). It dimishes a players trade value and pigeon holes your viable options to where the player wants to go. So we should be mad at the player for doing such a risky move? Or the front office?

Your upset because Melo does not want to bend over for an organazation that trashed him? He should allow the Knicks to trade him to any crappy team and continue his carreer on another dysfunctional organazation? Please explain what part of any of this is "Unreasonable"?

Well if we're being real here the only reason Phil did what he did was because Melo pretty much mounted a rebellion. Melo as a team leader should be the one keeping the players in line and supporting the coach. He was a terrible example for the rest of the roster.

Melo knows they wanted him to buy in and he resisted. All Phil asked was not to break the offense and hold the ball too much. Melo refused to do these simple things. He brought the scorn on himself. Even his trade demand of only Houston is just more defiance. If Melo is going to be on this team he has to buy in for his sake and the team.

Rebellion? https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2730375-kristaps-porzingis-reportedly-skipped-exit-meeting-due-to-jeff-hornacek-issues.amp.html

Resisted? Holding the ball? You make it seem as Melo was asked to not wear red socks and he kept doing it. Asking Melo to be a different type if player is like asking Curry to stop shooting 28 footers. Or asking Korver to become a post up player. Not that easy to get yourself to change something you have been doing all your life. A good Prez/GM knows this and does not give a player that does not fit his system a NTC. Again, no blame on your part to pitting a wrong piece (Melo) on your team by the frint ogfice.

There are those who see no wrong in Melo despite his lack of team ball approach both on and off the Court (such as when he allegedly ripped KP for Phils triangle offense). That's destructive. The fact that Melo is in deterioration is biological not subjective. He's been sliding as evidenced by his shooting percentages have dipped each of the last several years. Again, this isn't conjecture it's empirical. Given that he no longer can drive to the bucket or cares to, this matters. Rebellion?
Nothing to do with rebellion. Give him his 20 minutes a night. At 34 with lumbering legs, we can buy him out.

Paris907 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and Melo is forceful on only going to Houston--th only reasonable solution is to "keep him away from the team" until a suitable trade can be found. If that means he sits a season---thats that. Id like to play melo at a reduced role--but if the Knicks feel its in their best interests--than do what you have to do. Weve seen this in sports many times--just kep the player home until a reasonable trade comes calling. Hopefully Melo increases his trade list and everyone can walk away happy.

They should do what any respected professional franchise would do. Move on by taking the hit for signing him to a NTC and changing directions. All respectable businesses know they have to pay the price for a mistake. They take it like men and move on. Specially after the previous Prez trashed him. But most Knick fans want to keep acting like this is a middle school team and they can force players to do anything they want even after screwing them. What are the long term repercussions of being a unprofessional franchise? Clue...look at the Knicks. Would hate to do business with that type of mindset. Mills hits me as that type as well. Reason why I think the Knicks are not any closer to being a respectable franchise. We have the same slimy guys at the top. Luckily for Melo, he has all the power and will win out by forcing the back stabbing front office to deal him to a place that is best for him.

Btw Briggs...do you expect people you screw over and trash publicly, to help you out? Where does this thinking come from? Why would Melo help the Knicks out? For fans like you that would throw a player to the gutter for yiurniwn selfish interest? I know I wouldn't. And dedinately would not waive my trade kicker.

Melo is being ridiculous with giving only ONE OPTION so F Melo! Let him stay until we can get a better deal for the franchise.

You don't know if Mills is slimy and actually many of the old Front Office guys have good reputations. The narrative you've bought into is mostly Media Driven and there are lots of agendas behind that. Melo would be gone already if not for his ridiculous stance of only one destination.

Contrary to your and Melo's belief he does not hold all the cards because the Knicks don't have to trade him. Taking on a bad contract is more detrimental than Melo's presence next season would be!

Ridiculous? So exercising his NTC that Phil gave him after being trashed is ridiculous? Spoken like a true selfish fan. Props. He holds all the cards. He will go to his desired destination. Or stay. Think he is ok with both. But know he will be in Houston before the season starts. Knicks know it roo.

My issue is narrowing it to only ONE TEAM! That is some BS and I hope the Knicks refuse to make a deal that doesn't benefit the team. I'm a KNICKS FAN so by nature I'm selfish for my team. If Melo isn't being reasonable he can go kick rocks!!! You're making me question if you're truly a Knicks Fan with the way you're talking.

Seems to me Melo is not going to be traded if the only option is taking back Ryan Anderson. I can live with Melo staying rather than screw up our future just to trade him.

Nix. Think you are taking all this a bit personal? We were talking "Ridiculous" but lets move on to "reasonable". Melo is not forcing the Knicks to take on a trade they do not want or will hurt the franchise. He has not demanded a trade like some(Irving) Probably something any other player would have done after the Phil grumpy old man episodes. He is not the one who told the other that he wants to go in a different direction. The Knicks have not offered to give up 8 Million to trade him. Think you are transferring your frustration. Think it should be on the Knicks front office. My point earlier. Which is the thing I think needs to change more than anything before we ever change the direction of this franchise.

To me, its reasonable (Professional) for the Knicks to own their mistakes and take on the cost of changing their minds. It was a mistake for Phil to give him a NTC. Their is a risk in that. You are currently seing the risks of such a clause. (Btw, just given to THjr and Baker). It dimishes a players trade value and pigeon holes your viable options to where the player wants to go. So we should be mad at the player for doing such a risky move? Or the front office?

Your upset because Melo does not want to bend over for an organazation that trashed him? He should allow the Knicks to trade him to any crappy team and continue his carreer on another dysfunctional organazation? Please explain what part of any of this is "Unreasonable"?

Well if we're being real here the only reason Phil did what he did was because Melo pretty much mounted a rebellion. Melo as a team leader should be the one keeping the players in line and supporting the coach. He was a terrible example for the rest of the roster.

Melo knows they wanted him to buy in and he resisted. All Phil asked was not to break the offense and hold the ball too much. Melo refused to do these simple things. He brought the scorn on himself. Even his trade demand of only Houston is just more defiance. If Melo is going to be on this team he has to buy in for his sake and the team.

Rebellion? https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2730375-kristaps-porzingis-reportedly-skipped-exit-meeting-due-to-jeff-hornacek-issues.amp.html

Resisted? Holding the ball? You make it seem as Melo was asked to not wear red socks and he kept doing it. Asking Melo to be a different type if player is like asking Curry to stop shooting 28 footers. Or asking Korver to become a post up player. Not that easy to get yourself to change something you have been doing all your life. A good Prez/GM knows this and does not give a player that does not fit his system a NTC. Again, no blame on your part to pitting a wrong piece (Melo) on your team by the frint ogfice.

There are those who see no wrong in Melo despite his lack of team ball approach both on and off the Court (such as when he allegedly ripped KP for Phils triangle offense). That's destructive. The fact that Melo is in deterioration is biological not subjective. He's been sliding as evidenced by his shooting percentages have dipped each of the last several years. Again, this isn't conjecture it's empirical. Given that he no longer can drive to the bucket or cares to, this matters. Rebellion?
Nothing to do with rebellion. Give him his 20 minutes a night. At 34 with lumbering legs, we can buy him out.

Great counter argument. Do you not see a pattern in Melo hate? Bring up countless unproven personal opinions as fact, have them proven wrong, then come up with a new one.