EnySpree wrote:We don't need another regime change... we need a guy that will help us along the path we're on. We need to rebuild through youth. Not rebuild through another guys eyes. I can't believe anyone would want a guy to come in an bring more goons in. We need to rebuild through youth. That's it. Fuck a dude that sucked Lebron dick for however many years he been there. Have some respect for yourself. Can't have just anybody come into your house. When the right guy comes in we will make a move. Until then **** it. Stick to the plan

We just gout done firing the guy you are looking for. So we can sick up tho our precocious 21 year old "star".

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:No respectable GM will come here knowing Dolan is keeping his guys and is only allowing limited control....

If Dolan wasn't a media mogul, with a great deal of influence, Im pretty sure Silver would at least be taking a meeting with him at this point. NY being such a big market.

So, I would rather believe his power was really limited. Probably he should have walked away like Griffin did. His ex-girlfriend was waiting him to opt-out. She was planing a coup but he refused to join.

http://nypost.com/2017/06/18/jeanie-buss-gets-emotional-talking-about-phil-jackson-split/

When she was asked who had helped her most during the trying ordeal, “she fought back tears,” the newspaper reported, and her voice “trembled.”

The answer, Buss said, would have been Jackson had they not parted ways.

“There’s no crying in basketball!” Buss told the newspaper. “It’s been hard for [Jackson] there. Now, it’s like, he would have been the pillar that I could count on.”

That is why I really believe that he was not here for the money. His ex-girlfriend would not have paid less and he would not have had less power than he had. Phil made a wrong career choice. Probably his love to Knicks has clouded his mind.

Compared to him, Mills has made a great choice. He let Dolan kicked Phil away, and now he have all the cards. He has first picks. He has a young core. He didn't suffer at all to have all the assets, like that poor Hinkie. He had caps (until he used all of them). But Phil was the worst thing happened to Knicks. What is Mills not to love?

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:It is Possible. but the problem is that he trusted the wrong guy to be his GM. For example, Noah is a mistake but could it be 52mil rather than 72mil mistake? Looking at the contract of THjr, I start to wonder if Mills is really bad at his job. All three major FA signing were overpay at the time. Lopez was a role player, and we gave one more year to Lee. Sure these two turned out to be okay but the third one (Noah) burned us. I think overpay is necessary sometimes, but it really cuts the margin of error very thin. THjr may be a productive player, but it is pretty hard to be sure he will be worth the contract. It is a gamble Mills probably should haven't taken.

At the end, Mills is the real prez now. He has the power to decide what next GM could do or not. I have a feeling that it was required to take him as GM when Phil was prez.

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:Phil has actually brought only 4 guys with him.
One is gone.
Fisher was his coach.
Rambis was his assistant coach.
Gianes Jr was his scout.

This is all. He was in an enemy zone and everyone probably wanted him fired and took his place all the time. There is no previous regime. It is always this regime.

Griffin knows what happened. He didn't want to be Mills' heat shield. He wanted some reasonable chance to succeed. He would want something every respect GM would want --- His own band. I am not surprised, since when did Mills have the accomplishment to be Griffin's boss? Mills lost a lot, and Griffin actually has a ring.

At the end, Phil was too trusting. He didn't realize it was a trap.

That is because he doesn't have a lot of guys He brought in Jim Clemmons and Craig Hodges as well. I think Phil really wanted to be a consultant. He reshaped the coaching staff but not the front office.

Phil had autonomy. He could have replaced Mills. He should have replaced Mills. Mills had just done a horrible job as the interim gm/pres. My biggest regret with Phil is that he was given autonomy but was just bad at his job.

On March 26, 2015, Williams was hired as the assistant coach of the WNBA's New York Liberty.[3] (wiki)

I think the difference is that Dolan could "reallocate" him so he was fine with that. Mills and Houston were different. They were GM and Dolan had no place to hide them without looking like demoting. Dolan's old band will never die. They just keep recycling themselves. I am not trolling. I really feel like there is non-zero chance Isiah Thomas will come back.

btw, this is written by a dude with inside info. He was at the summer league last year and He was here this year as well.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1592621

2. Team folks seem a bit split on Frank Ntilikina. Some think he was Phil's guy and with Phil gone, they aren't all 100% sold. But that is pretty common. They were hoping to have him play the last couple of games, but decided it wasn't worth it.

At least this time Mills cannot leak something like he discovered him first (if he turns out worth the pick. )

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:I am not so sure. He couldn't even replace the medical staff first year, could he? Sure maybe he had the power, but I am not that convinced. Even basketball stuff, like the D-league team, was not in his control, unless we believe that Allan Houston was his first choice to be the GM. Phil really cared about the development of those players, and I am not that sure he would think everyone in Westchester Knicks was okay.

So, I would rather believe his power was really limited. Probably he should have walked away like Griffin did. His ex-girlfriend was waiting him to opt-out. She was planing a coup but he refused to join.

http://nypost.com/2017/06/18/jeanie-buss-gets-emotional-talking-about-phil-jackson-split/

When she was asked who had helped her most during the trying ordeal, “she fought back tears,” the newspaper reported, and her voice “trembled.”

The answer, Buss said, would have been Jackson had they not parted ways.

“There’s no crying in basketball!” Buss told the newspaper. “It’s been hard for [Jackson] there. Now, it’s like, he would have been the pillar that I could count on.”

That is why I really believe that he was not here for the money. His ex-girlfriend would not have paid less and he would not have had less power than he had. Phil made a wrong career choice. Probably his love to Knicks has clouded his mind.

Compared to him, Mills has made a great choice. He let Dolan kicked Phil away, and now he have all the cards. He has first picks. He has a young core. He didn't suffer at all to have all the assets, like that poor Hinkie. He had caps (until he used all of them). But Phil was the worst thing happened to Knicks. What is Mills not to love?

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:It is Possible. but the problem is that he trusted the wrong guy to be his GM. For example, Noah is a mistake but could it be 52mil rather than 72mil mistake? Looking at the contract of THjr, I start to wonder if Mills is really bad at his job. All three major FA signing were overpay at the time. Lopez was a role player, and we gave one more year to Lee. Sure these two turned out to be okay but the third one (Noah) burned us. I think overpay is necessary sometimes, but it really cuts the margin of error very thin. THjr may be a productive player, but it is pretty hard to be sure he will be worth the contract. It is a gamble Mills probably should haven't taken.

At the end, Mills is the real prez now. He has the power to decide what next GM could do or not. I have a feeling that it was required to take him as GM when Phil was prez.

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:Phil has actually brought only 4 guys with him.
One is gone.
Fisher was his coach.
Rambis was his assistant coach.
Gianes Jr was his scout.

This is all. He was in an enemy zone and everyone probably wanted him fired and took his place all the time. There is no previous regime. It is always this regime.

Griffin knows what happened. He didn't want to be Mills' heat shield. He wanted some reasonable chance to succeed. He would want something every respect GM would want --- His own band. I am not surprised, since when did Mills have the accomplishment to be Griffin's boss? Mills lost a lot, and Griffin actually has a ring.

At the end, Phil was too trusting. He didn't realize it was a trap.

That is because he doesn't have a lot of guys He brought in Jim Clemmons and Craig Hodges as well. I think Phil really wanted to be a consultant. He reshaped the coaching staff but not the front office.

Phil had autonomy. He could have replaced Mills. He should have replaced Mills. Mills had just done a horrible job as the interim gm/pres. My biggest regret with Phil is that he was given autonomy but was just bad at his job.

This article was written when hope were high and it appeared Phil was going to clean house and rebuild the organization. He had just fired the coaching staff including Herb. I don't know what happened after that. I know there were reports that not getting Kerr really discouraged Phil.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2037234-whats-next-in-phil-jacksons-knicks-housecleaning-and-who-might-new-coach-be