nice article, nice guy. we needed that.

Posted by fishmike:

When that's the extent of your offensive game and your name isn't Shaq, that's not a good thing. How can not being able to hit a 15 foot jumper on a semi consistent basis be a good thing?

same reason not being able to follow a PG to the basket for easy dunks and rebounds is an even worse thing... especially when you are a center.

Isles... is Doleac better than Nazr

Of course he is. Doleac is a taller, more athletic version of Dirk Nowitzki. Our center position was set perfectly for the next ten years until we got rid of Dikembe and Doleac

Doleac was a ROLE player. Thats all he was.

Nazr is like alot of players whom look good from afar, then we get them and they are not what we expected.

This team is trying to stay competitive in the present, and build for the future. I think that means we might never ever be great, but things are interesting for now. A deep championship run must have a player or two we develope or get very lucky with. THe core of our 1990s run was riley developing Starks and mason. Mason became LJ. We got them from the CBA for nothing.

Craw and marbs can be a part of it, Allan can be the sharp shooter vet off the bench (2 years, end of contract or resign for a much smaller amount) and perhaps Sweet is the elton brand we seek. But we need much more, and we are adressing it with reality. Damp would have been nice, but not for a 6-7 year deal. Sorry, I did not that.

JYD has no long term value, but is a fun guy to have around if he can play!

1) As far as the intended topic of this thread goes: I like everything that JYD had to say. I hope that if he's up to the challenge that he gets a chance even if it takes time away from other frontcourt players that may be expected to play ahead of him. He said Oak's his mentor, he better prove it with his play.

2) As far as the unintended topic of this thread: Nazr is better for us than Doleac. KT can hit the 15 foot jumper, if we need someone to run pick and pop with Marbury all night that's what Kurt is for. Plus he can play better defense and rebound better than Doleac as well. So put Sweetney at PF and KT at C and now you have your solution for the glaring hole that Doleac left when he was traded (excuse the sarcasm). Nazr adds a different element for us, he'll get us some of the easy baskets that we weren't getting when we didn't have him. No one thinks he's the solution, not even Isiah does. Why else would Isiah have pursued Dampier so tirelessly? There's no denying that before we had Nazr we weren't getting those easy layups and dunks that he gives us. He gives us something we didn't have before, that's his value to us. That's why he's better for us than Doleac was.

3) Why do people feel compelled to ruin perfectly good threads and take them completely off topic? If you want to discuss something that's not part of the thread or if you have a completely opposite point of view why not give making your own thread a shot? Then whoever wants to get into a discussion with you will and you won't be ruining a thread that was really just supposed to be a feel good story about JYD. Why pounce on the good will and camaraderie of a bunch of like-minded fans when you can have a debate in a separate thread with willing participants that are up for debate?

[Edited by - eViL on 08/25/2004 10:20:52]

Lenny will determine who gets the most playing time.

If that was not the case, I might not be concerned about our lack of a true big man. I hope Nazr has been working, and working hard with Mark Aguirre this offseason. He is the only guy we have with legitimate size and we're going to need him to have a career year next year. Perhaps we can use KT as the backup center and keep Baker in his PF spot.

It would be nice to see a lineup of:
C-Nazr,KT
PF-Sweetney,Baker,JYD

Posted by fishmike:

The point of this thread was a light hearted look at Jerome Williams. There is one guy around here that will seize any opportunity to knock Isiah Thomas or any player he aquires which results the thread going to crap. It doesnt stop, so there are only two options. Ignore him or leave the forum.

That's what I was saying from the beginning. A lot of people can't just ignore him and will probably leave the forum, as has happened elsewhere like you said.

At first, I thought Isles was a little bitter and crazy. But after reading these boards for a few months when people are handing starting jobs to Sweet and raving about Ariza, I think he's right to say that people are too quick to annoint certain players. He presents a valid view point and it would get boring if everyone were drinking the kool-aid all the time.

But sometimes it does seem like Isles is out to get Zeke, and to be fair we haven't done anything yet. But Zeke is surely better than Layden. I'm still stinging about a possible team of Spree, Houston, Artest, Kurt, Camby and Nene. Sigh. We all have our issues with the management of this team, but we need to move on from past grudges and just evaluate what's here with an open mind.

I wish I could... I probably just lack that maturity to ignore the constant digs on my team.
I just wanted to joke about JYD, and ask what he could contribute next year, and once again another thread degrades in Isle's trashing anyone Isiah brings in. What irritates me about it is how unconstructive and redundant it is. There is never an alternative... except that what Isiah did is wrong. Doleac is a better fit than Nazr (minus the sarcasm). But Doleac only did anything w/ Marbury, whos a waste himself. Bla bla bla... its been the same thing for 8 months.

At least someone like Briggs offers alternatives the create interesting discussion. Isles is just the same thing every single time, plus some sarcasm and digs for good measure. I dont have to personally attack him or discredit him. I think people pretty much know where he is coming from.

As for ignoring it this is a Knick forum full of Knick fans. When every time you post its to knock the GM, the players or the direction of the team its going to irritate people.

I know you like to stick up for Isles, but Fish and I are allowed to argue with him if we want to. I don't see what's wrong with a "60 message debate" about basketball.

Dude, just because we are both irritated by the same guy doesnt mean we are taking warm showers till the wee hours of the morning together. Back off

First off, Bonn, I see you deleted the post I was about to respond to. I was going to tell you that you could easily exchange AIM SNs, Yahoo, MSN, emails, whatever... take it there. Leave it off the board. As for your proclaimed innocence, how do you figure yourself innocent when you continually insult him, including name calling and bashing his opinions, even during threads he hasn't commented in? Sure, he might annoy some/most, but what gives you the right to tear him down all the time? One more thing, I don't *like* to stick up for anyone; I say what's on my mind, when it's justified, and that's it. If this was pulled with *any* poster here, I'd speak up.

Posted by crzymdups:

At first, I thought Isles was a little bitter and crazy. But after reading these boards for a few months when people are handing starting jobs to Sweet and raving about Ariza, I think he's right to say that people are too quick to annoint certain players. He presents a valid view point and it would get boring if everyone were drinking the kool-aid all the time.

But sometimes it does seem like Isles is out to get Zeke, and to be fair we haven't done anything yet. But Zeke is surely better than Layden. I'm still stinging about a possible team of Spree, Houston, Artest, Kurt, Camby and Nene. Sigh. We all have our issues with the management of this team, but we need to move on from past grudges and just evaluate what's here with an open mind.

Good post and very well said.

Posted by fishmike:

I wish I could... I probably just lack that maturity to ignore the constant digs on my team.
I just wanted to joke about JYD, and ask what he could contribute next year, and once again another thread degrades in Isle's trashing anyone Isiah brings in. What irritates me about it is how unconstructive and redundant it is. There is never an alternative... except that what Isiah did is wrong. Doleac is a better fit than Nazr (minus the sarcasm). But Doleac only did anything w/ Marbury, whos a waste himself. Bla bla bla... its been the same thing for 8 months.

At least someone like Briggs offers alternatives the create interesting discussion. Isles is just the same thing every single time, plus some sarcasm and digs for good measure. I dont have to personally attack him or discredit him. I think people pretty much know where he is coming from.

As for ignoring it this is a Knick forum full of Knick fans. When every time you post its to knock the GM, the players or the direction of the team its going to irritate people.

I actually wasn't so much referring to you, Fish. I do understand how you can be irrated by him; it can happen. When I was referring to the ignoring, it was more to the point of laying back on the constant insults and, like I said, trying not to drag it on, if that's what you're trying to avoid. The reality is that if Isles has a view, right or wrong, ridiculous or justified, it's still his view. I don't agree with a lot of his views either, but I don't get down to the point where I'm insulting him in every other thread (coughcoughcoughbonncoughandcoughravencoughcoughcough).

Dude, just because we are both irritated by the same guy doesnt mean we are taking warm showers till the wee hours of the morning together. Back off

LOL. Hilarious. Classic Fish stuff. Just be careful not to drop the soap, Fish.

Posted by TMS:

i've been posting w/him just as long as either of you guys have, having gotten into more than my own fair share of pointless back & forth arguments back on MSG which ended up degrading threads past the point of logical discussion...

over the years, i've come to learn that there's no point in getting into these arguments w/him in the first place...better just to look at him as the lovable but crazy uncle that looks at things w/the glass half empty all the time as opposed to the glass half full...kinda like the "anti-mustafaab" from the MSG boards (for any of you who know who i'm talking about you can draw the comparison)...i've found that this is a much better way to approach him, similar to how many of you seem to approach BRIGGS when he takes a negative stance on issues as well...the difference being that you usually won't get into long drawn out arguments w/BRIGGS, whereas in Isles' case sometimes you just have to choose to end the argument first & let him get in the last word for the sake of your own sanity & inner peace.

Everyone can reply how they want to. I enjoy dropping a good natured sarcastic reply. I get the impression Fish does too. If you or Solace don't, no one's forcing you to reply to him.