CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

Yes. Yes. The recursive "next" guy or gal will succeed in an environment dictated by hyenas in the press and in the stands. What could stop them? Yet another marketing consultant whispering in Dolan's ear?

Gaines is already a VP. Once Phil lands he will follow Phil and two year's later (like MDA) they will be voted executives of the year for turning around a franchise not called the New York Knicks.

There is no longer a firewall between management of the team and Dolan.

Welcome back to hell. Get cozy. You ain't going nowhere.

I don't think Phil is landing anywhere. He is not well liked around the league and he has been bypassed by the Lakers twice. Maybe he could be a consultant for the Liberty.

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

Yes. Yes. The recursive "next" guy or gal will succeed in an environment dictated by hyenas in the press and in the stands. What could stop them? Yet another marketing consultant whispering in Dolan's ear?

Gaines is already a VP. Once Phil lands he will follow Phil and two year's later (like MDA) they will be voted executives of the year for turning around a franchise not called the New York Knicks.

There is no longer a firewall between management of the team and Dolan.

Welcome back to hell. Get cozy. You ain't going nowhere.

I don't think Phil is landing anywhere. He is not well liked around the league and he has been bypassed by the Lakers twice. Maybe he could be a consultant for the Liberty.

His reputation is gold. He'll make the same journey Jerry West did. He'll get called by a franchise in distress and turn them around. Sacramento or the Clippers comes to mind.

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

President is more powerful than GM, right? So you'd rather see Mills and Dolan be the two most powerful people in the organization?

Mills (as Phil said) mostly does paperwork. Phil had an oversized role in the decision making process. Thats why other execs allegedly tried to talk to Phil on the phone, not Mills.

The GM role was effectively neutered. Ideally I would want Gaines to make the call on trades, drafting, etc. and Mills doing what he can as pres to help the GM get what he wants to build a contender.

Gaines strength is not as a GM. You are applying the Peter Principle to Knicks management by asking that people who are good at one thing must be great at another. You must be the guy advising Dolan.

You dont know if he could handle the job or not, you're just guessing like everyone else. He is one of the few execs who has shined for the Knicks, he's earned a chance to show what he can do at he next level, running a team.

His 'exec' position was talent evaluation. His title was given by Jax to be sure he was compensated fairly. He's not a bureaucrat.

You demonstrate in post after post that you don't have a clue how organizations work. I'm guessing you're still in middle school given your responses. If you're not in middle school and only that smart it must suck to be you.

Im not the one undergoing a summer of massive butthurt like you are. You repeatedly defended (thats all you do here) an exec with the worst record in franchise history, yet you claim that Im the one who doesnt know what they're talking about.

Look at you, going from one thread to another, spazzing out because your hero is gone. Grow the **** up.

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

President is more powerful than GM, right? So you'd rather see Mills and Dolan be the two most powerful people in the organization?

Mills (as Phil said) mostly does paperwork. Phil had an oversized role in the decision making process. Thats why other execs allegedly tried to talk to Phil on the phone, not Mills.

The GM role was effectively neutered. Ideally I would want Gaines to make the call on trades, drafting, etc. and Mills doing what he can as pres to help the GM get what he wants to build a contender.

Gaines strength is not as a GM. You are applying the Peter Principle to Knicks management by asking that people who are good at one thing must be great at another. You must be the guy advising Dolan.

You dont know if he could handle the job or not, you're just guessing like everyone else. He is one of the few execs who has shined for the Knicks, he's earned a chance to show what he can do at he next level, running a team.

His 'exec' position was talent evaluation. His title was given by Jax to be sure he was compensated fairly. He's not a bureaucrat.

You demonstrate in post after post that you don't have a clue how organizations work. I'm guessing you're still in middle school given your responses. If you're not in middle school and only that smart it must suck to be you.

Im not the one undergoing a summer of massive butthurt like you are. You repeatedly defended (thats all you do here) an exec with the worst record in franchise history, yet you claim that Im the one who doesnt know what they're talking about.

Look at you, going from one thread to another, spazzing out because your hero is gone. Grow the **** up.

What none of you seem to understand (because you're so stuck up Melo's arse) is that in order to take advantage of draft picks YOU HAVE TO LOSE.

Phil and company GOT THAT - you didn't and don't. Phil gave Melo enough to win with but had a quick hook on the season. Being merely mediocre isn't going to get you the talent you need (see Hinke). Phil traded for a second group of players exciting enough to hold the fan's interest but not talented enough to interfere with his rebuild. Phil got it - you didn't, don't, and never will.

The only social media butthurt I have is dealing with juvenile hemorrhoids such as yourself.

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

Yes. Yes. The recursive "next" guy or gal will succeed in an environment dictated by hyenas in the press and in the stands. What could stop them? Yet another marketing consultant whispering in Dolan's ear?

Gaines is already a VP. Once Phil lands he will follow Phil and two year's later (like MDA) they will be voted executives of the year for turning around a franchise not called the New York Knicks.

There is no longer a firewall between management of the team and Dolan.

Welcome back to hell. Get cozy. You ain't going nowhere.

I don't think Phil is landing anywhere. He is not well liked around the league and he has been bypassed by the Lakers twice. Maybe he could be a consultant for the Liberty.

His reputation is gold. He'll make the same journey Jerry West did. He'll get called by a franchise in distress and turn them around. Sacramento or the Clippers comes to mind.

He is done. The Knicks became worse on the court with Phil. Instead of building a culture he created a more dysfunctional situation. He also became known as a guy that doesn't put in the work but will take a money grab if he gets a chance. Do you think Phil is extended his final two years if he tells Dolan they need to buyout Melo for 54 mil before the extension is offered?

Phil is old so he should look to retire. With that said, Layden might have been the worst GM I have ever seen. His drafts sucked, trades sucked, signing sucked. Yet he went on to have success with the Spurs and is helping turn the Wolves around. Walsh was solid GM with the Pacers and built teams that contended in the east. He was trash with the Knicks. Larry Brown had success pretty much every where he went as a coach. He was trash with the Knicks. MDA had successful runs with Suns and now Rockets. Didn't come close to having the same success with the Knicks. I havent followed Isiah Thomas tenure with the Liberty or that college team he coached to know if he has been successful or not.

Based on the Knicks track record of tarnishing legacy's...

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

Yes. Yes. The recursive "next" guy or gal will succeed in an environment dictated by hyenas in the press and in the stands. What could stop them? Yet another marketing consultant whispering in Dolan's ear?

Gaines is already a VP. Once Phil lands he will follow Phil and two year's later (like MDA) they will be voted executives of the year for turning around a franchise not called the New York Knicks.

There is no longer a firewall between management of the team and Dolan.

Welcome back to hell. Get cozy. You ain't going nowhere.

I don't think Phil is landing anywhere. He is not well liked around the league and he has been bypassed by the Lakers twice. Maybe he could be a consultant for the Liberty.

His reputation is gold. He'll make the same journey Jerry West did. He'll get called by a franchise in distress and turn them around. Sacramento or the Clippers comes to mind.

He is done. The Knicks became worse on the court with Phil. Instead of building a culture he created a more dysfunctional situation. He also became known as a guy that doesn't put in the work but will take a money grab if he gets a chance. Do you think Phil is extended his final two years if he tells Dolan they need to buyout Melo for 54 mil before the extension is offered?

Phil is old so he should look to retire. With that said, Layden might have been the worst GM I have ever seen. His drafts sucked, trades sucked, signing sucked. Yet he went on to have success with the Spurs and is helping turn the Wolves around. Walsh was solid GM with the Pacers and built teams that contended in the east. He was trash with the Knicks. Larry Brown had success pretty much every where he went as a coach. He was trash with the Knicks. MDA had successful runs with Suns and now Rockets. Didn't come close to having the same success with the Knicks. I havent followed Isiah Thomas tenure with the Liberty or that college team he coached to know if he has been successful or not.

Based on the Knicks track record of tarnishing legacy's...

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

Yes. Yes. The recursive "next" guy or gal will succeed in an environment dictated by hyenas in the press and in the stands. What could stop them? Yet another marketing consultant whispering in Dolan's ear?

Gaines is already a VP. Once Phil lands he will follow Phil and two year's later (like MDA) they will be voted executives of the year for turning around a franchise not called the New York Knicks.

There is no longer a firewall between management of the team and Dolan.

Welcome back to hell. Get cozy. You ain't going nowhere.

I don't think Phil is landing anywhere. He is not well liked around the league and he has been bypassed by the Lakers twice. Maybe he could be a consultant for the Liberty.

His reputation is gold. He'll make the same journey Jerry West did. He'll get called by a franchise in distress and turn them around. Sacramento or the Clippers comes to mind.

He is done. The Knicks became worse on the court with Phil. Instead of building a culture he created a more dysfunctional situation. He also became known as a guy that doesn't put in the work but will take a money grab if he gets a chance. Do you think Phil is extended his final two years if he tells Dolan they need to buyout Melo for 54 mil before the extension is offered?

Phil is old so he should look to retire. With that said, Layden might have been the worst GM I have ever seen. His drafts sucked, trades sucked, signing sucked. Yet he went on to have success with the Spurs and is helping turn the Wolves around. Walsh was solid GM with the Pacers and built teams that contended in the east. He was trash with the Knicks. Larry Brown had success pretty much every where he went as a coach. He was trash with the Knicks. MDA had successful runs with Suns and now Rockets. Didn't come close to having the same success with the Knicks. I havent followed Isiah Thomas tenure with the Liberty or that college team he coached to know if he has been successful or not.

Based on the Knicks track record of tarnishing legacy's...

I think the reason Layden continued to get work is because he is a nice guy. Same with Walsh although he was successful in Indy. Phil isn't liked by many people in the league. The Lakers have closed that door twice. The Knicks door is closed. His career as an exec is over. He was really bad at his job and sucks at interpersonal relations with colleagues around the league.
Have to wonder how involved Scott was in the Butler trade. They fleeced the bulls.

This may be true. Which is crazy given the fact that his nickname the Zen Master was based off his ability to connect with people.

Phil started his career as an exec at 60+ yrs old. If all this happen with the Knicks after his Bulls runs in the early 2000s who knows.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Maybe Phil should have done that Jeff Teague trade giving up Grant, Affalo and our 2018 first rounder. Then maybe we would have won 43 games and made the playoffs this season. Miss out on a lotto pick but not be good enough to compete. Then have no pick the following year. At least our record would be decent and he would have maybe saved his job over doing whats best for the Knicks in the long run.

Forget that. If he'd intelligently spent the $300 mil that went to Melo, Thomas, Lee, and Noah, he'd still be here.

These things aren't the reason he was fired or parted ways. The NTC with Melo and issues with KP is what did it. If he made that Teague trade though then he would be able to fall back on a more successfully season, probably a playoff run. That may have changed that whole dynamic for the short term while killing the long term.

What does it matter how he spent the money if he was always going to have Melo undermining the game plan? Dolan wasn't going to sign off on a Knicks team without Melo and he already put Jackson in a position where he had no draft picks to build with anyway. So it was either be the current Brooklyn Nets for a few years or roll the dice with Melo when Melo was talking about passing the ball and playing defense and buying into the triangle. When Melo didn't follow through, because of Dolan, Jackson didn't have the ability to discipline him. Rest of the team sees that eventually and it creates a horrible team culture.

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..

First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled

Second Round

2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

President is more powerful than GM, right? So you'd rather see Mills and Dolan be the two most powerful people in the organization?

Mills (as Phil said) mostly does paperwork. Phil had an oversized role in the decision making process. Thats why other execs allegedly tried to talk to Phil on the phone, not Mills.

The GM role was effectively neutered. Ideally I would want Gaines to make the call on trades, drafting, etc. and Mills doing what he can as pres to help the GM get what he wants to build a contender.

Gaines strength is not as a GM. You are applying the Peter Principle to Knicks management by asking that people who are good at one thing must be great at another. You must be the guy advising Dolan.

You dont know if he could handle the job or not, you're just guessing like everyone else. He is one of the few execs who has shined for the Knicks, he's earned a chance to show what he can do at he next level, running a team.

His 'exec' position was talent evaluation. His title was given by Jax to be sure he was compensated fairly. He's not a bureaucrat.

You demonstrate in post after post that you don't have a clue how organizations work. I'm guessing you're still in middle school given your responses. If you're not in middle school and only that smart it must suck to be you.

Im not the one undergoing a summer of massive butthurt like you are. You repeatedly defended (thats all you do here) an exec with the worst record in franchise history, yet you claim that Im the one who doesnt know what they're talking about.

Look at you, going from one thread to another, spazzing out because your hero is gone. Grow the **** up.

What none of you seem to understand (because you're so stuck up Melo's arse) is that in order to take advantage of draft picks YOU HAVE TO LOSE.

Phil and company GOT THAT - you didn't and don't. Phil gave Melo enough to win with but had a quick hook on the season. Being merely mediocre isn't going to get you the talent you need (see Hinke). Phil traded for a second group of players exciting enough to hold the fan's interest but not talented enough to interfere with his rebuild. Phil got it - you didn't, don't, and never will.

The only social media butthurt I have is dealing with juvenile hemorrhoids such as yourself.