nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:holfresh wrote:Do you guys understand how highly unusual/abnormal this is??..And the blind support no matter where the win blows..
Neither Brandon Jennings or DRose have been winning or playing winning basketball anywhere the last few seasons. Phil took a few 1 year risks to give Melo a chance with a coach who ran more variety than the Triangle.It didn't work out and it sucks but let's all stop acting like we passed up on a superstar here or that this team with Rose and Jennings playing pick and roll non-stop ends up in the playoffs.
As i've repeatedly pointed out, the entire roster that is left is Triangle Capable except for Rose. Rose mainly because he's refused to even try to learn how to play in the Triangle. Other than Rose, Melo, KP, Willy, CLee, LT, Holiday, Baker, Kuz, KOQ, Randle, Sasha all can play in the Triangle just fine. They need to learn more of the nuances and counters in the system but they have the ability and have been running it fine whenever they actually ran it. It only made sense to move away from the Triangle a lot more when Rose and BJ were at the point. Even in the games where they went Spread PnR most of the time they still ran some Triangle. Now they're flipping things the other way and if Phil chooses to go back to bringing in players that fit the Triangle and Horny and his staff agree it made sense that's what we are seeing.
So Hornacek looked at what we're seeing and decided he should coach the team less on offense and defense in practice? Doesn't seem like a great sign.
He needs to become the lead assistant for the Warriors. One year and he gets a head job in a much better situation.
No! He needs for Phil to upgrade the talent! PERIOD!!! Why make this more complicated than it is. The NBA is mostly about the talent. You load up on 2 way players that are team oriented and you win games. That's what the real problem is.
When Fisher was fired you said we needed a coach that would commit to the Triangle. This team could've had a winning record with the right system. An analytics driven system that got guys the eight shots in the right spots. Courtney Lee is 9th in the league in 3pt shooting. KP is a 7'3" guy who can nail threes at 40%.
This team is not losing because of the Offensive System. They didn't even run a pure Triangle this year. Running it more NOW isn't why they have a losing record. You're only bringing this up because of articles suggesting they're going to run more Triangle.
Hornacek was recently running a mostly Spread PnR Offense. It still didn't lead to wins because of the defense!!! In the end this team needs better talent. More 2 Way talent, more athletic ability and higher BB IQ. That will lead to a better future. Arguing about this current roster which is still centered around Melo is futile.
He wasn't running a spread offense. They were running pick and rolls in a triangle formation and that's why the spacing was poor. They come down the floor in a triangle formation. Compare their sets to Houston's or Golden State. Golden State obviously has more power in their lineup, but I don't think you can really argue Houston's lineup top to bottom is that much better than the Knicks, talent wise. It's how they're deployed.
There is one huge diff w/ Houston. Their best player elevates the play of those around him. So while Harden does his thing the other Rockets get easy buckets off his play. When our best player does his thing everyone stands around and watches. Phil mentioned this in his drive to ruin the season as he only cares about triangle but the message was lost 
It's funny. Last year Harden averaged 7 assists per game and was called selfish. This year he's averaging 11.5. I wonder what changed? Is it possible they're running a system which better fits the roster and the talents of their best player?
Yea.. exactly. They moved him to PG and put in a system that allows everyone else to play off him. Melo had the same coach here try that with him. Want to revisit what happened? Or are you suggesting it would be better to have kept Woodson and just played ISO Melo ball for the next few years? If we have learned anything from Phil and MDA here its that Melo plays one way and one way only. Trying to get him to change will result in leaving town or grumpy tweets. Phil's big mistake was thinking he had a player he could change, and that was a 4 year NTC mistake.
I seem to remember D'Antoni making the playoffs with Melo. Melo's not a point guard, I didn't say the best idea was to have Melo become a playmaker. Only someone who didn't watch him much would think he's suited to be a playmaker. I said put in a system that suits your players. Melo has looked best in the Olympics playing off the ball. Or with a good point guard who gets the ball to Melo in the right spots. That Woodson Knicks team had great ball movement. They were one of the most prolific three point shooting teams in the league and Melo had career highs in assists in the Woodson years. Smart basketball coaches put their players in position to succeed, not put them in position to fail and then whine about it.
You do know that MDA has been the Offensive mind behind the Olympic Teams right? Melo is a strange bird. He has the ability to play a different way but CHOOSES not to when it comes to the regular season. Woodson didn't come up with that offense he just stole the MDA stuff and he admitted that. Only later in the season did Woodson switch to his own ISO style of ball, relying on ISO Melo way too much.
That statement includes so many self contradictions and circular logic fails that I can't even begin to parse it. But what the heck let's try.
MDA invented the Olympic offense (Not Mike Krzyzewski)
But he didn't use Melo the same way in NY because Melo is a strange bird
It was Melo's choice for MDA to ask him to be a playmaker in the offense
Woodson just stole MDA's offense
Yet Woodson did not ask Melo to be a playmaker, he had two PGs at all times, Felton and Kidd or Prigioni and also played Melo at PF
In summary, it's all Melo's fault, even though Woodson figured it out by stealing MDA's offense, just using Melo in a completely different way in it
Melo finished third in MVP voting under Woodson and had the best two seasons of his career, offensively
The Knicks went 109-79 under Woodson and Phil fired him because the roster was clumsy
The Knicks have gone 73-154 since Phil fired Woodson
It's all Melo's fault
Do I have that right?
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