smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Mike and Mike ripping Phil..It's about time....

You do realize that if Phil is fired, Dolan returns alongside Mills as the guiding force for this team don't you? And that they will double down on keeping melo. How would we be better off?! Heck, Dolan might even reinstall It. I wish people would think this through. If we keep Phil, we trade melo and rebuild via the draft, which is what we need to do.

Was thinking about that this morning and it's truly frightening...They have to come up with a better option than Mills...But Phil is garbage...At least be a man and act like you run the Knicks...Both Melo and Phil has to go..None can survive this...

Again who’s to say the Knicks will rebuild thru the draft, for all we know they are NOT pushing the Celtics for young players and picks, they are pushing the Cavs HARD for Kevin Love. How is that rebuilding thru the draft? You see the Knicks haven’t show any inclination of that yet.

Don't kid yourself, no matter how anyone on this board talk about rebuild, Phil has no clue what he is doing and he isn't rebuilding...

How is he not Rebuilding? He's trading away melo and he's aiming for a high pick in this draft- it's what we need to do, under this cba you can only add franchise changing talent via the draft. How is Phil mismanaging the franchise by doing this?

If he is rebuilding, why would you sign Noah and trade for Rose???..When has Phil ever said he was rebuilding???..Outside of KP, who has Phil gone after to make a cornerstone of this franchise in his three years here???

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Mike and Mike ripping Phil..It's about time....

You do realize that if Phil is fired, Dolan returns alongside Mills as the guiding force for this team don't you? And that they will double down on keeping melo. How would we be better off?! Heck, Dolan might even reinstall It. I wish people would think this through. If we keep Phil, we trade melo and rebuild via the draft, which is what we need to do.

Was thinking about that this morning and it's truly frightening...They have to come up with a better option than Mills...But Phil is garbage...At least be a man and act like you run the Knicks...Both Melo and Phil has to go..None can survive this...

its crazy how almost every sport show and media outlet is basically saying Phil hasn't a clue and needs to go, but a few loyal Phil fans want to see him stay and continue to press the reset button every yr, just because be drafted KP,

Even he rebuilds now, and wait 3 more years for playoff hopes, your looking at 7 straight yrs of no playoff basketball, and people are cool with that,

The media smell blood which is why they're all piling in- Phil pissed off the my media because he stopped speaking to them (when he started he reached out to them but they carried on being disks so he stopped bothering).

I support Phil because the alternative is Dolan or IT- that's your choice, you don't get to choose your favorite GM.

We're 2 weeks away from Rebuilding the right way at last, we finally have all our firsts ahead of us, we have a piece to build around- why ruin this?

HofstraBBall wrote:Rumor is we are trying to trade Dolan and Phil for the Clips owner and GM. With a Coach to be named later. Best day in Knicks history. Other than when we won the Chip.

You still stuck with Melo.

KnicksFE wrote:Phil Jackson is the main reason why the Knicks are so bad, he is the architect of this team and he did a horrible job building it. He has not learned from his past mistakes and most of his trades/moves/signings have not workout. Phil wants to blame Melo, but it was him who put this roster together without realizing the main players he was getting were excellent THREE years ago. This past off season instead of gambling on young players with some upside, he over paid on declining veterans. Please note that I am not defending Melo, I’m just not blaming him for Phil’s HORRIBLE JOB.

I have come to hate Phil for what he's doing to Melo but just because i don't like the guy i'm not gonna try to say this is all his fault cause it's not. He put PLENTY of talent on this team to win enough games to at the very least make the 8th seed for the playoffs.

Melo
D.Rose
KP
J.Noah
C.Lee
B.Jennings
Billy
L.Thomas
KOQ
J.Holiday

That is a hell of a lot of talent right there especially for the starting unit and even without them fitting they should still be able to win games.

newyorker4ever wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

nixluva wrote:TOTALLY DISAGREE! Rose and Melo are the team leaders and have boatloads of talent. They are surrounded by some good role players. Teams win when their BEST players excel. Neither Rose nor Melo do enough on both ends not pass enough to make this team successful. That is the real reason for the team losing. Don't put this on Phil. Rose and Melo are giving less and less effort and more and more ISO and DIY offense. Noah we all know has limitations but he does give everything he has. Can't say the same for Rose and Melo tho.

And who traded for Rose and gave Melo that big extension with a no trade clause? Im sure it was’t the coach. IT WAS PHIL.

So Phil gave us two star players so how is this helping your argument at all??

Anybody that truly follows the NBA (Not just the Knicks) knows that Rose hasn’t been a star in a few years, and that Joakim Noah has being hurt and declining as well. The fact that he GOT BOTH OF THEM HERE IS BEYOND ME. He also gave to Melo that No Trade Clause, there is a reason why only a few players in the NBA have it, most GMS don’t want to give that power and want to keep the doors open for any trade, why did Phil cornered himself like that?

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Mike and Mike ripping Phil..It's about time....

You do realize that if Phil is fired, Dolan returns alongside Mills as the guiding force for this team don't you? And that they will double down on keeping melo. How would we be better off?! Heck, Dolan might even reinstall It. I wish people would think this through. If we keep Phil, we trade melo and rebuild via the draft, which is what we need to do.

Was thinking about that this morning and it's truly frightening...They have to come up with a better option than Mills...But Phil is garbage...At least be a man and act like you run the Knicks...Both Melo and Phil has to go..None can survive this...

its crazy how almost every sport show and media outlet is basically saying Phil hasn't a clue and needs to go, but a few loyal Phil fans want to see him stay and continue to press the reset button every yr, just because be drafted KP,

Even he rebuilds now, and wait 3 more years for playoff hopes, your looking at 7 straight yrs of no playoff basketball, and people are cool with that,

Man what are you talking about? The entire point of rebuilding is to make progress each year leading towards a winning team that can hopefully become a Title Contender. You get into the draft and do your best to build a great team. What is all this "7 straight losing years" stuff??? We would be building towards something sustainable. Lower cost and more talented players. That's what you hope to do.

What is your plan if we don't take advantage of having picks in one of the better Draft Classes?

Dude theirs enough Evidence to tell you that draft sht is a hit or miss, with many more misses than hits. Its like you forgot about the 17 win season that fast, what the hell was that, was that a retool, or a rebuilt...10 new playrs and a top drft pick sound like a damn rebuild... the very next season, 10 new players, that sounds like a retool, or a rebuild?

85% of this board (including yourself) stated if the knicks did not make the playoffs this year phil should be gone. Now you want to blame it on the players he brought in not doing their job, Rose didn't come here on his own....HE BROUGHT THESE PLAYERS IN HERE, THAT HIS REPSONSIBILITY, ALL 44 PLAYERS THAT HAVE PRODUCE JACK SHT in 3 1/2 seasons, and now your talking another 3 season to build through the fckng draft..

If you keep hiring employeese that cant produce and your losing $$ every day, and your replacing them every month. tThe guy HIRING THESE GUYS CLEARLY DOESN'T KNOW WTF HE'S DOING, Get him the hell out of here, or do you just keep believing in him despite the losses...IN THE real world, the HIRING MANAGER HAS TO GO..In your world you continue to hire and fire employees. Maybe you never been a manager..

Melo hasn't lost a power struggle yet.