BRIGGS wrote:Bringing KP off the bench for 10-15 games might be smart for his development and to get through his injury problem.

Hes taking a lot of bad shots--hes not passing the ball--hes not rebounding the ball--he does not set screens--he hangs out to far from the basket too much. Hes not using his size and length enough on the D. Bringing him in at the 6-7 minute mark puts him against either tired frontline guys or second stringers. I think someone needs to talk to him about more efficiency to his game and making sure he gets adequate point blank type opportunities---making sure he understands that a pass can lead to an even better shot etc.... Its part of development.

Part of it is him, the other part is the coaching staff, and he's playing with a pg in where passing is a 3rd option to him.

He doesn't roll to the basket because he leaves the lane open for rose, doesn't demand the ball because that's not his personality, and can take a hit, but like most knick players, avoids contact.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Bringing KP off the bench for 10-15 games might be smart for his development and to get through his injury problem.

Hes taking a lot of bad shots--hes not passing the ball--hes not rebounding the ball--he does not set screens--he hangs out to far from the basket too much. Hes not using his size and length enough on the D. Bringing him in at the 6-7 minute mark puts him against either tired frontline guys or second stringers. I think someone needs to talk to him about more efficiency to his game and making sure he gets adequate point blank type opportunities---making sure he understands that a pass can lead to an even better shot etc.... Its part of development.

Part of it is him, the other part is the coaching staff, and he's playing with a pg in where passing is a 3rd option to him.

He doesn't roll to the basket because he leaves the lane open for rose, doesn't demand the ball because that's not his personality, and can take a hit, but like most knick players, avoids contact.

That's a very fair assessment.

blkexec wrote:With my long standing achilles injuries, your shot becomes flat because u don't get the same lift on your shot. It takes a long time to heal an achilles. Once it feelseems good, you should rest another month. That part of your body doesn't have much blood flow.....So it takes a while to heal. I'm not surprised his shot is flat. But I am worried that he has the wrong mentors in rose and melo. Each game, he's looking more and more like an old melo. Even his post up fade away jumpers....vs....taking it to the cup off a spin move. That's what melo needs to teach him. He also need more lower body strength, but with sore achilles, you can't work hard on legs. Tough situation to be in. Jeff has to find more balance with this starting unit.

Absolutely right. My second year in college my achilles started bothering me. Biggest issue for me, other than game adjustments, was that I could not put the same amount of time on the practice floor. Also, the fear of further injury, kept me from pushing it. It takes longer than most injuries to get back to 100%.

Disagree on idea of Rose and Melo as reasons for his struggles. Just too easy. And as you just stated, injury would be more of a hindrance. Will try to bring up film when he played in Spain, but he has always had the same tendancies of cheating on defense and floating to 3pt. line, on offense. Two of the reason why he was sometimes kept out of even those lineups. I just think he was a kid that had a hell of a growth spurt and probably admired outside shooters and dribble drive players. Reminds me of the big guy, on the pick up courts, that thinks he is a shooting guard and refuses to go down low. Do think he is trying to add the down low game and, at 21, still is learning so many aspects of the game.

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these theories tying Rose to KP's issues comes up empty when the same thing happens when Rose is on the bench and KP plays with the second unit..

Maybe true, but bottom line is KP will significantly improve on offense next year once the knicks replace rose with a lower-volume, better passing pg. KP doesn't have a lot of opportunity in an offense with a pg that is a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring player.

Melo using the same PGs?..Everyone complains that KP is picking up all of Melo's bad habits..How come he isn't picking up the habit of scoring without a pass first pg?

"Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis works with Jeff Hornacek on dwindling offense: Kristaps Porzingis and Jeff Hornacek sat together under a basket and had a private film session. Hornacek’s laptop was open and he was showing Porzingis video of his shot, trying to help the Knicks’ second-year big man recapture his rhythm and form. Porzingis missed his first six shots and had two turnovers before making his first basket in Monday’s win over the Pacers. Porzingis finished 3-for-13 with eight points."

Via newsday

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these theories tying Rose to KP's issues comes up empty when the same thing happens when Rose is on the bench and KP plays with the second unit..

Maybe true, but bottom line is KP will significantly improve on offense next year once the knicks replace rose with a lower-volume, better passing pg. KP doesn't have a lot of opportunity in an offense with a pg that is a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring player.

Melo using the same PGs?..Everyone complains that KP is picking up all of Melo's bad habits..How come he isn't picking up the habit of scoring without a pass first pg?

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these theories tying Rose to KP's issues comes up empty when the same thing happens when Rose is on the bench and KP plays with the second unit..

Maybe true, but bottom line is KP will significantly improve on offense next year once the knicks replace rose with a lower-volume, better passing pg. KP doesn't have a lot of opportunity in an offense with a pg that is a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring player.

Melo using the same PGs?..Everyone complains that KP is picking up all of Melo's bad habits..How come he isn't picking up the habit of scoring without a pass first pg?

He's scoring 19 points a game. What were you expecting?

KP is hurt..But everyone insanely expects a player to put out the same production no matter what the situation is..Like you expect Melo to continue to shoot 48% after he hurt his shoulder..He is shooting 49% the last 10 by the way...But I'm not the one complaining about what's happening..However, he needs to improve in areas where receives the ball to be more effective...He needs to screen better and create better passing lanes for players to get him the ball...But he will be ok without proposing insane trades that will hurt us in the long run...

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these theories tying Rose to KP's issues comes up empty when the same thing happens when Rose is on the bench and KP plays with the second unit..

Maybe true, but bottom line is KP will significantly improve on offense next year once the knicks replace rose with a lower-volume, better passing pg. KP doesn't have a lot of opportunity in an offense with a pg that is a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring player.

Melo using the same PGs?..Everyone complains that KP is picking up all of Melo's bad habits..How come he isn't picking up the habit of scoring without a pass first pg?

He's scoring 19 points a game. What were you expecting?

Yeah i don't get all of the concerns. He averaged 14 ppg as a rookie. I figured he would average 17-18 ppg this year. Rose would obviously cut into his offense a little bit. But he has exceeded expectations for a 2nd year player, averaging 19 ppg. Now he has slumped a little coming back from injury. I just don't understand the expectations of Knick fans.

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these theories tying Rose to KP's issues comes up empty when the same thing happens when Rose is on the bench and KP plays with the second unit..

Maybe true, but bottom line is KP will significantly improve on offense next year once the knicks replace rose with a lower-volume, better passing pg. KP doesn't have a lot of opportunity in an offense with a pg that is a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring player.

Melo using the same PGs?..Everyone complains that KP is picking up all of Melo's bad habits..How come he isn't picking up the habit of scoring without a pass first pg?

He's scoring 19 points a game. What were you expecting?

Yeah i don't get all of the concerns. He averaged 14 ppg as a rookie. I figured he would average 17-18 ppg this year. Rose would obviously cut into his offense a little bit. But he has exceeded expectations for a 2nd year player, averaging 19 ppg. Now he has slumped a little coming back from injury. I just don't understand the expectations of Knick fans.

You are the one proposing insane trades in every thread to help KP and you don't get the concern???

I think you have my confused with someone else. I would like to get a PG like Rubio, but i am not proposing a bunch of trades. But what did you expect from KP this year? Did you think he was going to put up 22 and 10? Shoot 50% from the field?

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these theories tying Rose to KP's issues comes up empty when the same thing happens when Rose is on the bench and KP plays with the second unit..

Maybe true, but bottom line is KP will significantly improve on offense next year once the knicks replace rose with a lower-volume, better passing pg. KP doesn't have a lot of opportunity in an offense with a pg that is a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring player.

Melo using the same PGs?..Everyone complains that KP is picking up all of Melo's bad habits..How come he isn't picking up the habit of scoring without a pass first pg?

He's scoring 19 points a game. What were you expecting?

Yeah i don't get all of the concerns. He averaged 14 ppg as a rookie. I figured he would average 17-18 ppg this year. Rose would obviously cut into his offense a little bit. But he has exceeded expectations for a 2nd year player, averaging 19 ppg. Now he has slumped a little coming back from injury. I just don't understand the expectations of Knick fans.

You are the one proposing insane trades in every thread to help KP and you don't get the concern???

I think you have my confused with someone else. I would like to get a PG like Rubio, but i am not proposing a bunch of trades. But what did you expect from KP this year? Did you think he was going to put up 22 and 10? Shoot 50% from the field?

That is the definition of an insane trade...And with regards to KP, I did not start this thread..I don't think he needs a PG to play better, you do...You are blaming his production on Rose, are you not???

Not at all. Rose is not the problem, he just isn't the solution. I believe anytime you have a young player you want to build around, you should be finding players that fit well with that player. I think Rose is a square peg in a round hole. But Porzingis needs to be doing other things to get involved, like he was earlier in the year. We are only talking about his last 10 or so games. And i don't see how trying to grab Rubio off the trading block is insane at all. It's logical and realistic.