| Author | Thread |
| AUTOADVERT |
|
HofstraBBall
Posts: 28100 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
9/12/2016 4:52 PM
arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:There has been a lot of talk about what DRose can't do. I thought it would be nice to look at what he can bring to the Knicks when they need it most. The Knicks have been literally skewered by opposing PG's. This was a major reason this team lost a lot of close games over the last couple of season if not more. The addition of Rose helps to even that out for this team.Rose can still score with the best of them, too, especially against top competition. In the seven games against last year’s Eastern Conference All-Star point guards – Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Isaiah Thomas – he averaged 20 points per game on 50 percent shooting from the field (58-of-116). I'll give Phil a bit more credit. Don't think his experience brought him to add Rose because of his defense. Next we are all going to question Noah's offensive numbers? 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
|
|
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
9/12/2016 6:03 PM
mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's? You're still assuming that Efficiency is all powerful. Sometimes Production and Impact are more important. Just remember that teams aren't just LETTING Rose drive to the basket. He's going against defenses that are preparing for him. So teams are doing everything they can to make things difficult for him to get into the paint. We needed penetration desperately last season. Just passing the ball aimlessly on the perimeter doesn't get it done. Rose gives the team a more aggressive posture. Also another thing about the efficiency issue. Rose was actually fairly efficient in a lot of what he does. Not being a good 3pt shooter and not getting to the line enough is what hurt him the most. That in and of itself doesn't automatically mean it's going to be detrimental to the team. HOW Rose pushes the ball and helps get the team into early offense will be very important too.
Rose averaged 8.9 Drives per game at 51.0% Rose averaged 7 Pull Up Jumpers per game at 44.5%, 0.7 of those Pull Up Jumpers were 3pt shots at 28%, making his eFG% on Pull Up Jumpers 45.9% which looks terrible but you have to keep in perspective that those 3pt shots are keeping his eFG% down. He doesn't take a lot of Pull Up 3pt shots tho, less than one per game. Rose averaged 1.7 Catch and Shoot Jumpers per game at 33.6% of those 1.5 were from 3pt range at 33.0%, making his eFG% 48.3% on Catch and Shoot Jumpers. Also Rose was an active PnR Ball Handler, which we will need in Hornacek's offense. Pick And Roll Ball Handler http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/ball-handler/?sort=Poss&dir=1 So Rose Drives at a high rate. Runs PnR at a good rate. Is reasonably efficient on his Pull Up Jumpers most of which are from 2pt range. What Rose needs to do is increase the amount of Catch and Shoot 3pt shots and improve his 3pt shooting on Catch and shoot from 33% to about 36%, which IMO is very doable. He did improve in this area after the All Star Break last year. |
|
dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
9/14/2016 11:46 AM LAST EDITED: 9/14/2016 11:48 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's? i don't have an issue with optimism just as long as it is tempered by other points that prevent the optimism from being blind: http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242326/Grading-The-Deal-Knicks-Trade-For-Derrick-Rose yes he has been a talented player but when a talented player, relying on athletic ability more than skills loses that athleticism, expectations have to be managed and yes, games have to evolve, hopefully for the greater good of the team. is it your opinion that his athleticism has not been diminished? to me he is an upgrade but not a huge one-- wait until you see him play defense night after night-- and whatever upgrade he is will be in direct proportion with how he tempers his game. we need to see a rose that is not going to merely play *alongside* others, but hopefully *with* others if not ideally *for* others. this is the crux of the matter for me. that, and how much of his civil suit nonsense infects the season. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
|
|
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
9/19/2016 4:38 PM LAST EDITED: 9/19/2016 4:39 PM
Just looking at how Rose was playing post All Star Break in terms of other penetrating PG's in the league. I think this is what the Pro's tend to discount. Rose was much more effective when you get past his slow start due to the effects of his Orbital Surgery. I think it's a very good sign for this coming season.
Post All Star Break http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G&sort=DRIVE_PTS&dir=1&CF=GP*G*20&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star |