GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/13/knicks-sign-maurice-ndour-guaranteed-contract

Report: Knicks sign Maurice Ndour to two-year guaranteed deal

The Knicks have signed Real Madrid forward Maurice Ndour to a two-year guaranteed deal, according to European basketball reporter David Pick.

Ndour, 24, last played for Real Madrid in Liga ACB, averaging 2.3 points and 1.8 rebounds in 9.6 minutes per game. He impressed the Knicks last year at Summer League in Las Vegas, scoring 23 points in a game against then-rookie Jahlil Okafor and the 76ers.

Following Summer League, Ndour signed a multi-year deal with the Mavericks, but was waived in October.

The signing of Ndour brings the Knicks to 14 players. He joins Joakim Noah, Kristaps Porzingis, Willy Hernangomez, Kyle O’Quinn and Marshall Plumlee in the frontcourt.

On Tuesday, the team re-signed veteran guard Sasha Vujacic to a one-year deal worth the veteran’s minimum.

– Kenny Ducey

Two good signings this week. Never thought I would say that about Sasha returning, but for a year, and to help KP and the new rooks adjust to all the changes, its a smart move.

There is real balance. Its why I am very puzzled as some folks are saying this is an all in and PHil's plan totally changed and its all win now. NDour, Kuz, Willy, not sure if both Baker/Randle make the team, Plumlee... If you cant see a clear and concerted effort by this FO to continue to build towards the future WHILE fielding a team with the upside for a deep playoff run I just don't know what you are looking at.

Its because the starting roster is top heavy with older, frequently injured players now. Some of us here were happy to have the best frontcourt since Ewing/Oakley. As I pointed out before, even Mike Lupica who supported the Rose trade said it was a desperation move. Im glad there are some younger players in the pipeline, at the same time, I want to be sure that KP isn't surrounded by older, broken down players on bad deals when its time to re-up.

I keep hearing that Porzingis would never leave. I believe if we've learned anything from the Durant move, is anything can happen, especially with Dolan in charge. I dont want mgmt to get complacent about what the team will look like when its time for KP to make his decision. Those are legitimate concerns IMO considering this franchise's history under Dolan.

Have also made it clear that since Phil's sudden sense of urgency, I do like the moves he has made to fill out the roster.

Hey, I didn't like the Rose deal either. But I did give it a wait and see. In the past that WAS the move. Now, that is just one thing that can go right. If that move fails there is upside to that as well. Big picture this was a hell of a job

crzymdups wrote:Also from that NYPost article - remember this "guarantee" and the one to Plumlee are pretty light guarantees and they can be waived without much of a cap hit. No real guarantee they'll be on the final roster.

The Knicks have 14 players on guaranteed pacts, but there’s no assurance Plumlee or Ndour will make the 15-man roster.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/13/knicks-sign-maurice-ndour-guaranteed-contract

Report: Knicks sign Maurice Ndour to two-year guaranteed deal

The Knicks have signed Real Madrid forward Maurice Ndour to a two-year guaranteed deal, according to European basketball reporter David Pick.

Ndour, 24, last played for Real Madrid in Liga ACB, averaging 2.3 points and 1.8 rebounds in 9.6 minutes per game. He impressed the Knicks last year at Summer League in Las Vegas, scoring 23 points in a game against then-rookie Jahlil Okafor and the 76ers.

Following Summer League, Ndour signed a multi-year deal with the Mavericks, but was waived in October.

The signing of Ndour brings the Knicks to 14 players. He joins Joakim Noah, Kristaps Porzingis, Willy Hernangomez, Kyle O’Quinn and Marshall Plumlee in the frontcourt.

On Tuesday, the team re-signed veteran guard Sasha Vujacic to a one-year deal worth the veteran’s minimum.

– Kenny Ducey

Two good signings this week. Never thought I would say that about Sasha returning, but for a year, and to help KP and the new rooks adjust to all the changes, its a smart move.

There is real balance. Its why I am very puzzled as some folks are saying this is an all in and PHil's plan totally changed and its all win now. NDour, Kuz, Willy, not sure if both Baker/Randle make the team, Plumlee... If you cant see a clear and concerted effort by this FO to continue to build towards the future WHILE fielding a team with the upside for a deep playoff run I just don't know what you are looking at.

Its because the starting roster is top heavy with older, frequently injured players now. Some of us here were happy to have the best frontcourt since Ewing/Oakley. As I pointed out before, even Mike Lupica who supported the Rose trade said it was a desperation move. Im glad there are some younger players in the pipeline, at the same time, I want to be sure that KP isn't surrounded by older, broken down players on bad deals when its time to re-up.

I keep hearing that Porzingis would never leave. I believe if we've learned anything from the Durant move, is anything can happen, especially with Dolan in charge. I dont want mgmt to get complacent about what the team will look like when its time for KP to make his decision. Those are legitimate concerns IMO considering this franchise's history under Dolan.

Have also made it clear that since Phil's sudden sense of urgency, I do like the moves he has made to fill out the roster.

I guess my retort is simple... do you still believe the bold? Because if you look at every move that followed the Rose deal it looks like the start of a calculated and well executed offseason. Phil hedged the health of Noah and Rose with Kuz, NDour, Willy and Plumlee... all prospects locked into 2 year deals. Then to ensure there is veteran depth Jennings, Lance and Sasha represent fantastic value in this market.

Hey, I didn't like the Rose deal either. But I did give it a wait and see. In the past that WAS the move. Now, that is just one thing that can go right. If that move fails there is upside to that as well. Big picture this was a hell of a job

crzymdups wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Also from that NYPost article - remember this "guarantee" and the one to Plumlee are pretty light guarantees and they can be waived without much of a cap hit. No real guarantee they'll be on the final roster.

The Knicks have 14 players on guaranteed pacts, but there’s no assurance Plumlee or Ndour will make the 15-man roster.

We'll keep looking for upgrades and once some teams waive a few players, we may act.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we did start the season with this roster. It's just a well-rounded roster with most of the needs addressed.

Yeah, I mainly agree. Third PG is the biggest need.

Just saying for people freaking out about the roster that this is not necessarily final and these "3 year guaranteed" and "2 year guaranteed" deals to undrafted rookies often usually have a lot of outs and don't represent a huge commitment if things don't work out.

I hope N'Dour sticks though. I think he has a better chance than Plumlee, but we shall see.

Baker is more NBA ready than Plumlee, IMO, and more at ease in our system of play.

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Also from that NYPost article - remember this "guarantee" and the one to Plumlee are pretty light guarantees and they can be waived without much of a cap hit. No real guarantee they'll be on the final roster.

The Knicks have 14 players on guaranteed pacts, but there’s no assurance Plumlee or Ndour will make the 15-man roster.

We'll keep looking for upgrades and once some teams waive a few players, we may act.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we did start the season with this roster. It's just a well-rounded roster with most of the needs addressed.

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Also from that NYPost article - remember this "guarantee" and the one to Plumlee are pretty light guarantees and they can be waived without much of a cap hit. No real guarantee they'll be on the final roster.

The Knicks have 14 players on guaranteed pacts, but there’s no assurance Plumlee or Ndour will make the 15-man roster.

We'll keep looking for upgrades and once some teams waive a few players, we may act.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we did start the season with this roster. It's just a well-rounded roster with most of the needs addressed.

Yeah, I mainly agree. Third PG is the biggest need.

Just saying for people freaking out about the roster that this is not necessarily final and these "3 year guaranteed" and "2 year guaranteed" deals to undrafted rookies often usually have a lot of outs and don't represent a huge commitment if things don't work out.

I hope N'Dour sticks though. I think he has a better chance than Plumlee, but we shall see.

I think Plumlee is likely to go the way of the 3 waived players who were on Westchester last year but made more money because of the partially guaranteed money Phil gave them

Baker is more NBA ready than Plumlee, IMO, and more at ease in our system of play.

newyorker4ever wrote:Can someone post the pic from this link please?? I can't get it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/_ehGuMxQp1/?taken-by=toohotfidem_10

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Also from that NYPost article - remember this "guarantee" and the one to Plumlee are pretty light guarantees and they can be waived without much of a cap hit. No real guarantee they'll be on the final roster.

The Knicks have 14 players on guaranteed pacts, but there’s no assurance Plumlee or Ndour will make the 15-man roster.

We'll keep looking for upgrades and once some teams waive a few players, we may act.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we did start the season with this roster. It's just a well-rounded roster with most of the needs addressed.

Yeah, I mainly agree. Third PG is the biggest need.

Just saying for people freaking out about the roster that this is not necessarily final and these "3 year guaranteed" and "2 year guaranteed" deals to undrafted rookies often usually have a lot of outs and don't represent a huge commitment if things don't work out.

I hope N'Dour sticks though. I think he has a better chance than Plumlee, but we shall see.

100%. I see Noah, Willy, KOQ as my centers, and guys I really don't want playing much anywhere BUT center. KP will get minutes there as well. I don't see the value in Plumlee, where as NDour can get minutes in several types of linups at the 3 or 4. He's got a good mid range jumper, likes contact, plays in the paint well... boy I see a lot of Jae Crowder in him (from fish's keyboard to god's sever).

I think Plumlee is out and NDour is in. I could see "big" linups where Kuz/NDour end up playing SG because of certain mixes.

Picture: Rose/Kuz/NDour/Melo/KP. I mean I could totally see something like that, point is NDour gives you many more options.

+1

Yeah, totally. NDour fits the faster pace and flexible lineups thing - he fits real well alongside Melo and KP. Not sure if Kuz has enough outside shooting or lateral quickness to play SG, but honestly need to see him play more live.

But NDour makes a lot of sense for this team. Real happy with the signing.

Maybe Plumlee is a banger who can absorb fouls and defend and rebound... not sure. Not opposed to giving him a look, but as you said, we have Noah, Willy, and KOQ as our big men.

I agree with others who have said that the Plumlee deal may be a way of getting him more money before cutting him and sending him to Westchester... who knows.

Can't wait to see this team in camp.

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Can someone post the pic from this link please?? I can't get it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/_ehGuMxQp1/?taken-by=toohotfidem_10

I think we are very advanced in terms of chemistry in this team. Most of the guys have played together at some point. That's a great underrated aspect of our offseason.

Knicksfan wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Can someone post the pic from this link please?? I can't get it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/_ehGuMxQp1/?taken-by=toohotfidem_10

I think we are very advanced in terms of chemistry in this team. Most of the guys have played together at some point. That's a great underrated aspect of our offseason.

Yeah NDour, Willy, and KP all played for Real Madrid at some point, right? NDour and KP in Summer League last year.

Kuz was also from the ACB...

who is the fifth player on the roster with Spanish league ACB experience? Sasha?

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Also from that NYPost article - remember this "guarantee" and the one to Plumlee are pretty light guarantees and they can be waived without much of a cap hit. No real guarantee they'll be on the final roster.

The Knicks have 14 players on guaranteed pacts, but there’s no assurance Plumlee or Ndour will make the 15-man roster.

We'll keep looking for upgrades and once some teams waive a few players, we may act.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we did start the season with this roster. It's just a well-rounded roster with most of the needs addressed.

Yeah, I mainly agree. Third PG is the biggest need.

Just saying for people freaking out about the roster that this is not necessarily final and these "3 year guaranteed" and "2 year guaranteed" deals to undrafted rookies often usually have a lot of outs and don't represent a huge commitment if things don't work out.

I hope N'Dour sticks though. I think he has a better chance than Plumlee, but we shall see.

100%. I see Noah, Willy, KOQ as my centers, and guys I really don't want playing much anywhere BUT center. KP will get minutes there as well. I don't see the value in Plumlee, where as NDour can get minutes in several types of linups at the 3 or 4. He's got a good mid range jumper, likes contact, plays in the paint well... boy I see a lot of Jae Crowder in him (from fish's keyboard to god's sever).

I think Plumlee is out and NDour is in. I could see "big" linups where Kuz/NDour end up playing SG because of certain mixes.

Picture: Rose/Kuz/NDour/Melo/KP. I mean I could totally see something like that, point is NDour gives you many more options.

+1

Yeah, totally. NDour fits the faster pace and flexible lineups thing - he fits real well alongside Melo and KP. Not sure if Kuz has enough outside shooting or lateral quickness to play SG, but honestly need to see him play more live.

But NDour makes a lot of sense for this team. Real happy with the signing.

Maybe Plumlee is a banger who can absorb fouls and defend and rebound... not sure. Not opposed to giving him a look, but as you said, we have Noah, Willy, and KOQ as our big men.

I agree with others who have said that the Plumlee deal may be a way of getting him more money before cutting him and sending him to Westchester... who knows.

Can't wait to see this team in camp.

yea and that is not a level of forward thinking we have seen around these parts in decades

Has Miles resigned yet? Maybe the knicks can just upgrade from Marshall to Miles to Mason?