earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)

Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.

Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything

Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.

Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.

This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?

crzymdups wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Wade musta missed the memo that he shoulda signed for the MLE in Cleveland to chase another chip.

Dan Le Batard was talking on his show that apparently the Wade to Denver scenario was that Denver would sign him now and then trade him to Cleveland in December... they were talking about agent collusion and stuff...

I kinda can't wait to listen to the Le Batard show tomorrow. They never thought Wade would leave...

I watched some highlights. The looks on the staff's faces when he said he should leave if Miami won't give him his money werected priceless.

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)

Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.

Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything

Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.

Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.

This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?

Well, I'm not singling him out, just the one I am talking about now.
He took less money to win, but with Bron coming, how many players wouldn't?
Less Greedy vs Greedy? Let's just call it greed. Don't mean to be hard here but prices keep going higher, people keep losing jobs, banks keep stealing from them via inflation, and on and on.

I wouldn't call this "holding a standard" and I'm not judging them, just communicating another perspective. I'm saying we can each change things my making what others would call a sacrifice, but what in actuality is just plain understanding. Not many people understand though, we'll get there.

Just getting these ideas out there has an effect, albeit a very small one.

What are you talking about? I hate when people bitch about how much money people make. How about starting at home with your views. You can give all.your salary away to charity. Will forward list.

Btw. He chose Chicago because it's his home town.

HofstraBBall wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)

Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.

Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything

Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.

Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.

This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?

Well, I'm not singling him out, just the one I am talking about now.
He took less money to win, but with Bron coming, how many players wouldn't?
Less Greedy vs Greedy? Let's just call it greed. Don't mean to be hard here but prices keep going higher, people keep losing jobs, banks keep stealing from them via inflation, and on and on.

I wouldn't call this "holding a standard" and I'm not judging them, just communicating another perspective. I'm saying we can each change things my making what others would call a sacrifice, but what in actuality is just plain understanding. Not many people understand though, we'll get there.

Just getting these ideas out there has an effect, albeit a very small one.

What are you talking about? I hate when people bitch about how much money people make. How about starting at home with your views. You can give all.your salary away to charity. Will forward list.

Btw. He chose Chicago because it's his home town.

ESOMKnicks wrote:And again, for what? Just out of spite, it seems . . .

You gonna let them hardball you because it'll look bad if you leave (?)

It's impossible to say.

Could just be self defense and not spite at all . . .

ESOMKnicks wrote:I am surprised with the other side too. Riles, for all his arrogance, has always passionately stuck up for his players. And somehow managed to have a major falling out with his team's biggest star over $2.5m per year. Not like him at all, is he losing his mind with age?

I wonder if Riley has become fixated with putting together 'The Big 3' part 2?

meloshouldgo wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)

Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.

Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything

Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.

Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.

This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?

Well, I'm not singling him out, just the one I am talking about now.
He took less money to win, but with Bron coming, how many players wouldn't?
Less Greedy vs Greedy? Let's just call it greed. Don't mean to be hard here but prices keep going higher, people keep losing jobs, banks keep stealing from them via inflation, and on and on.

I wouldn't call this "holding a standard" and I'm not judging them, just communicating another perspective. I'm saying we can each change things my making what others would call a sacrifice, but what in actuality is just plain understanding. Not many people understand though, we'll get there.

Just getting these ideas out there has an effect, albeit a very small one.

What are you talking about? I hate when people bitch about how much money people make. How about starting at home with your views. You can give all.your salary away to charity. Will forward list.

Btw. He chose Chicago because it's his home town.

I agree... this notion that Wade going out and making the best living he can = greed? Especially when this is likely his last payday. I mean wow. People really lose perspective. People put their own feelings on these guys. The guys that "take less money to win" are really just giving up some money for a better work environment. Exactly what I do. I could boost my earnings by probably 40-50% but I am in a great situation and the extra money doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as the lower stress lifestyle that gives me more life balance. Now if my situation changes and I go get a job that pays a bunch more and I leave my current team is that selfish? Funny!

making the best living he can = greed?
Are you really equating making 20MM a year to making a living? Do you even understand the concept of making a living? When you fixate on wanting more stuff than you need to make a living it actually is called greed. You may wanna look those up. Capitalism fosters greed. Right or wrong is a judgment call, but to act like this isn't greed is very novel.

Well said. And to all those who replied, it is nothing personal. It is hard to live outside of a system you are born into.

meloshouldgo wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)

Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.

Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything

Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.

Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.

This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?

Well, I'm not singling him out, just the one I am talking about now.
He took less money to win, but with Bron coming, how many players wouldn't?
Less Greedy vs Greedy? Let's just call it greed. Don't mean to be hard here but prices keep going higher, people keep losing jobs, banks keep stealing from them via inflation, and on and on.

I wouldn't call this "holding a standard" and I'm not judging them, just communicating another perspective. I'm saying we can each change things my making what others would call a sacrifice, but what in actuality is just plain understanding. Not many people understand though, we'll get there.

Just getting these ideas out there has an effect, albeit a very small one.

What are you talking about? I hate when people bitch about how much money people make. How about starting at home with your views. You can give all.your salary away to charity. Will forward list.

Btw. He chose Chicago because it's his home town.

I agree... this notion that Wade going out and making the best living he can = greed? Especially when this is likely his last payday. I mean wow. People really lose perspective. People put their own feelings on these guys. The guys that "take less money to win" are really just giving up some money for a better work environment. Exactly what I do. I could boost my earnings by probably 40-50% but I am in a great situation and the extra money doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as the lower stress lifestyle that gives me more life balance. Now if my situation changes and I go get a job that pays a bunch more and I leave my current team is that selfish? Funny!

making the best living he can = greed?
Are you really equating making 20MM a year to making a living? Do you even understand the concept of making a living? When you fixate on wanting more stuff than you need to make a living it actually is called greed. You may wanna look those up. Capitalism fosters greed. Right or wrong is a judgment call, but to act like this isn't greed is very novel.

Full Definition of greed:
a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed

Where do you draw the line? And quite frankly who are you to judge? If I make a $100k a year but want to make $120k does that make me greedy? Do my kids *need* a quality college education when they can go to county college? Do I *need* a ribeye when I could just buy some ground chuck? Do you *need* to drive when you could take the bus?

Greed is an easy word to throw out there when someone lacks the same skills to earn. I suppose by your standards EVERY pro athlete is greedy right? I mean they could make a great living on $200k, or $500k... I mean taking anything more is pure greed right? When you walk past a homeless man are you greedy for not giving him the $5 bill in your wallet you really wont miss?

Here's a word for you look up:
sanctimonious

If you want to tell me capitalism is evil and to blame than yea... Im American so these ears are deaf.

DWade owns a skill that very people have. I always laugh when people think athletes are overpaid and I always tell them the same thing. Go learn to throw a baseball 95mph with pinpoint accuracy and you can join that club. Its not a members only... anyone can join.

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)

Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.

Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything

Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.

Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.

This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?

Well, I'm not singling him out, just the one I am talking about now.
He took less money to win, but with Bron coming, how many players wouldn't?
Less Greedy vs Greedy? Let's just call it greed. Don't mean to be hard here but prices keep going higher, people keep losing jobs, banks keep stealing from them via inflation, and on and on.

I wouldn't call this "holding a standard" and I'm not judging them, just communicating another perspective. I'm saying we can each change things my making what others would call a sacrifice, but what in actuality is just plain understanding. Not many people understand though, we'll get there.

Just getting these ideas out there has an effect, albeit a very small one.

What are you talking about? I hate when people bitch about how much money people make. How about starting at home with your views. You can give all.your salary away to charity. Will forward list.

Btw. He chose Chicago because it's his home town.

I agree... this notion that Wade going out and making the best living he can = greed? Especially when this is likely his last payday. I mean wow. People really lose perspective. People put their own feelings on these guys. The guys that "take less money to win" are really just giving up some money for a better work environment. Exactly what I do. I could boost my earnings by probably 40-50% but I am in a great situation and the extra money doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as the lower stress lifestyle that gives me more life balance. Now if my situation changes and I go get a job that pays a bunch more and I leave my current team is that selfish? Funny!

making the best living he can = greed?
Are you really equating making 20MM a year to making a living? Do you even understand the concept of making a living? When you fixate on wanting more stuff than you need to make a living it actually is called greed. You may wanna look those up. Capitalism fosters greed. Right or wrong is a judgment call, but to act like this isn't greed is very novel.

Well said. And to all those who replied, it is nothing personal. It is hard to live outside of a system you are born into.

meaning like the USA? Take a look at the bolded text. Here's another word to look up: condescending

I made it clear I am not judging - not my intention. That said, I can clearly see why you see it / feel it that way.

The system I was referring to is capitalism. (Not that I am against this either, but in a sense, by definition, it is in part largely about greed and competition.) We are where we are.

The problem is that we are afraid to see what we are. When you take much more from a system than what you need, you are greedy. I'll let you be the judge of what too much is. I'm not meaning any of this in a bad way. It is more an observation and it is "normal" because the system is based on competition, corruption throughout the upper layers (as are perhaps all systems), and pits us against each other. So, when we are born into this "matrix", how can we even see it? I never really saw my American cultural ways until I left the country for a while. And then I never really saw the Western ways until I left those societies (long vacation.)

This is maybe condescending to you because you think we are judging you. We are not. It's hard to be a part of (this) system and see how it turns us against one another. I don't mean that in a judgmental or condescending way (again). But for it to change, we have to change. In due time. If you don't see a problem in any of this, that is fine. But if and when you do, then understanding will probably immediately change how you (we) go about our day to day existence. It will probably be our children, eventually, who bring it to our attention. And they won't be judging us. They will be trying to fix a broken system.