Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

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Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

See, this is where they always bail out, because you can't answer a fair, straightforward question without acknowledging what you're afraid to.

You're hear solely to complain, constantly, and on purpose.

Which is a f---ed up, if one is even a little bit self-aware.

Uhm, so you're just supposed to be happy with these moves I take it, even at the detriment of the franchise?

You still won't answer the fair, simple question.

And no, if you don't like the food at a restaurant for years at a time, you're just suppose to find a new restaurant.

Sports fandom is the ONLY pursuit in the world where people purposely subjecting themselves to misery and frustration somehow makes perfect sense.

And if you "can't" ... if you think yourself weak-minded and consider it an addiction and not a choice, you're supposed to at least shut the hell up about it and stop whining all day every day.

Stop trying to tell people how to be a fan. It's like your High Sparrow and telling everyone how to live your life.

Don't make me blow you up with wildfyre Cersei style.

You spend all day trying to tell people they're stupid for being optimistic and enjoying the Knicks.

"So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it."

Hypocrisy is not a good look.

Who's the hypocrite though? The one that buys the hype in all the damaged goods the Knicks are trying to sell you, or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Welpee wrote:Most of the top free agents seem to resign with their current team (the system is designed to encourage that). Most of the top free agents who signed with other teams haven't seriously considered the Knicks other than STAT who we probably couldn't have signed if it weren't for his injury history and Phoenix not wanting to go long term with him. Melo is the only player approaching free agency who seemed to seriously want to come here. Given this, how do you pin your future on signing big time free agents whether it's this year or next year?

Well said! And nobody will want to come until the system is fixed. Even for players not staying NY is offering less money bc of the tax loophole and greater scrutiny. Who would sign up for that?

So uhm....Parson bouncing for $98m kinda debunks you both I guess.

Mavs said no to his max request. Portland offered it and he declined it for Memphis who is tax free. Damn we are good!

What about Evan Turner who was on the Knicks radar? Not so good now, right?

All I'm saying, if the Knicks have a boat load of cap space next year in 2017....we will be Wining and Dining guaranteed...

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Welpee wrote:Most of the top free agents seem to resign with their current team (the system is designed to encourage that). Most of the top free agents who signed with other teams haven't seriously considered the Knicks other than STAT who we probably couldn't have signed if it weren't for his injury history and Phoenix not wanting to go long term with him. Melo is the only player approaching free agency who seemed to seriously want to come here. Given this, how do you pin your future on signing big time free agents whether it's this year or next year?

Well said! And nobody will want to come until the system is fixed. Even for players not staying NY is offering less money bc of the tax loophole and greater scrutiny. Who would sign up for that?

So uhm....Parson bouncing for $98m kinda debunks you both I guess.

Mavs said no to his max request. Portland offered it and he declined it for Memphis who is tax free. Damn we are good!

What about Evan Turner who was on the Knicks radar? Not so good now, right?

All I'm saying, if the Knicks have a boat load of cap space next year in 2017....we will be Wining and Dining guaranteed...

Well weren't gonna pay Turner that not sure why it is relevant. I agree that if they aren't locked out next season that is what we will be doing. I assume the will fix the tax loopholes and allow for salary negotiations for players who deserve to determine their salaries.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

See, this is where they always bail out, because you can't answer a fair, straightforward question without acknowledging what you're afraid to.

You're hear solely to complain, constantly, and on purpose.

Which is a f---ed up, if one is even a little bit self-aware.

Uhm, so you're just supposed to be happy with these moves I take it, even at the detriment of the franchise?

You still won't answer the fair, simple question.

And no, if you don't like the food at a restaurant for years at a time, you're just suppose to find a new restaurant.

Sports fandom is the ONLY pursuit in the world where people purposely subjecting themselves to misery and frustration somehow makes perfect sense.

And if you "can't" ... if you think yourself weak-minded and consider it an addiction and not a choice, you're supposed to at least shut the hell up about it and stop whining all day every day.

Stop trying to tell people how to be a fan. It's like your High Sparrow and telling everyone how to live your life.

Don't make me blow you up with wildfyre Cersei style.

You spend all day trying to tell people they're stupid for being optimistic and enjoying the Knicks.

"So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it."

Hypocrisy is not a good look.

Who's the hypocrite though? The one that buys the hype in all the damaged goods the Knicks are trying to sell you,

I'm not sure you know what the word hypocrite means.

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

See, this is where they always bail out, because you can't answer a fair, straightforward question without acknowledging what you're afraid to.

You're hear solely to complain, constantly, and on purpose.

Which is a f---ed up, if one is even a little bit self-aware.

Uhm, so you're just supposed to be happy with these moves I take it, even at the detriment of the franchise?

You still won't answer the fair, simple question.

And no, if you don't like the food at a restaurant for years at a time, you're just suppose to find a new restaurant.

Sports fandom is the ONLY pursuit in the world where people purposely subjecting themselves to misery and frustration somehow makes perfect sense.

And if you "can't" ... if you think yourself weak-minded and consider it an addiction and not a choice, you're supposed to at least shut the hell up about it and stop whining all day every day.

Stop trying to tell people how to be a fan. It's like your High Sparrow and telling everyone how to live your life.

Don't make me blow you up with wildfyre Cersei style.

You spend all day trying to tell people they're stupid for being optimistic and enjoying the Knicks.

"So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it."

Hypocrisy is not a good look.

Who's the hypocrite though? The one that buys the hype in all the damaged goods the Knicks are trying to sell you,

I'm not sure you know what the word hypocrite means.

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

Uhm, I'm not sure that you know what hypocrite is. I'm not saying one thing then believing another thing. I truly truly think these are all band-aid win now at any costs moves that are detrimental to the future of the franchise. I already spoke my peace about the alternatives the last few months, while you were busy switching screen names.

Not sure you're really saying anything meaningful at this point.

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Uhm, I'm not sure that you know what hypocrite is. I'm not saying one thing then believing another thing. I truly truly think these are all band-aid win now at any costs moves that are detrimental to the future of the franchise.

I believe you. What you ARE doing is criticizing fans for being receptive to moves like Rose and Noah and then complaining when someone if critical of you.

I already spoke my peace about the alternatives the last few months, while you were busy switching screen names.

No, you complained about that 6 months ago when it actually occurred.

Hard to when you avoid answering simple, fair, direct questions, like,

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

WHY are you trying to do that?

But aren't you doing the same thing criticizing posters that aren't in favor of the moves?

Talk about hypocrisy!

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Uhm, I'm not sure that you know what hypocrite is. I'm not saying one thing then believing another thing. I truly truly think these are all band-aid win now at any costs moves that are detrimental to the future of the franchise.

I believe you. What you ARE doing is criticizing fans for being receptive to moves like Rose and Noah and then complaining when someone if critical of you.

I already spoke my peace about the alternatives the last few months, while you were busy switching screen names.

No, you complained about that 6 months ago when it actually occurred.

Hard to when you avoid answering simple, fair, direct questions, like,

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

WHY are you trying to do that?

But aren't you doing the same thing criticizing posters that aren't in favor of the moves?

Talk about hypocrisy!

No I'm not.

I'm critizing people who are asses about it and never do anything else.

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Uhm, I'm not sure that you know what hypocrite is. I'm not saying one thing then believing another thing. I truly truly think these are all band-aid win now at any costs moves that are detrimental to the future of the franchise.

I believe you. What you ARE doing is criticizing fans for being receptive to moves like Rose and Noah and then complaining when someone if critical of you.

I already spoke my peace about the alternatives the last few months, while you were busy switching screen names.

No, you complained about that 6 months ago when it actually occurred.

Hard to when you avoid answering simple, fair, direct questions, like,

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

WHY are you trying to do that?

if you are so fair and balanced how come you are not criticizing the other extreme/ists? Are they not criticizing other fans for not just sticking to the party line? Aren't there two extremes in play here? Seems like one who only sees one of them is either part of that faction or disingenuous.

You always had your TKF and on the other end, your/our Nixluva ... they are both extreme and not at all objective so either, they should cancel each other out or both be called out for their extreme view especially when constantly calling others out for not agreeing with their rosy or sh1tty take.

I guess the argument to that is its ok to be a blind lover but not to be a blind hater, I guess I get that to some extent ... never mind then ... just glad I can talk it out and now I feel better.

Good, relevant questions.

Yes, it does go both ways, and those people are not more objective than their opposite numbers, and yes, we aren't talking about being critical of the team (which is fine), we're talking about ONLY be critical of the team.

But here's the thing.

Sports is supposed to be recreational. It's supposed to be a pastime. It's supposed to be enjoyable. Its why Cubs fans exist (this year, noted).

But this fact has somehow gotten lost along the way. People have assigned virtue to being loyally miserable. And they can't explain it (I ask). All the can reply is "well, that's sports, that what you do", despite it really not making any sense.

It does make more sense to be optimistic, even overly so. It's sort of the point of it all. To ENJOY the experience.

You guys either consistently choose to be miserable with "loyalty" as your crutch or being miserable IS the fun part.

Either way, sort of f---ed.

Yes, being a homer is more logical, since sports is a pastime.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Welpee wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Welpee wrote:Most of the top free agents seem to resign with their current team (the system is designed to encourage that). Most of the top free agents who signed with other teams haven't seriously considered the Knicks other than STAT who we probably couldn't have signed if it weren't for his injury history and Phoenix not wanting to go long term with him. Melo is the only player approaching free agency who seemed to seriously want to come here. Given this, how do you pin your future on signing big time free agents whether it's this year or next year?

Well said! And nobody will want to come until the system is fixed. Even for players not staying NY is offering less money bc of the tax loophole and greater scrutiny. Who would sign up for that?

So uhm....Parson bouncing for $98m kinda debunks you both I guess.

So uhm... you consider Chandler Parson a "top free agent?"

Doesn't matter what you or I think of Chandler Parsons. If your team has money to burn, you can have your hearts desire.

Unfortunately we won't be able to spend when it actually counts next year...