mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

home33 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It is actually what the Spurs have been doing for years. You have to keep bringing in youth and developing them behind your vets. So on the Knicks you have KP obviously, but there are going to be other young players brought in as well. Willy is coming in just to name one such young player, but there are more. Clearly that's what the SL and DL teams are about.

No the Spurs have been methodical and patient, while grooming their own players. They draft better than anyone in the league the past 15 years. They don't overpay their own FA'S, they get guys with high character to buy into the system, and they don't make panic moves.

They're doing the complete opposite of whatever you just said. Look at how they're able to perpetuate a great bench all these years. RC Buford is the best GM in basketball. The owner hires great personnel and allows them to flourish. Pop is the best coach in the NBA. Duncan hasn't even been much of a factor the last 5 years. They just keep sticking to the script. Draft well utilizing multiple scouts, trade high (see George Hill trade), maintain cap flexibility, resign guys to friendly deals, manage their stars' minutes. They are the pinnacle for steady as she goes. Their turnover rate is high for role players, yet they still manage to contend. It ain't luck.

Didn't Nix say the Spurs keep bringing in youth and developing them behind their vets? Are you saying they are not doing that?

Dude is confusing me as well. Spurs most definitely have brought in VETS too. I mean LaMarcus, West, Diaw in particular. It's reported that they are after Durant. How are they not doing what the Knicks are trying to do?

they can bring in vets and kids on smart contract but their core for 20 years were draftees.

The knicks have one player in KP that looks like he will be very good but he is not a star. When and if he becomes one then they will have one.

Is that all phil's fault? of course not but he is not doing anything to really fix it or change the strategic direction to a more patient and smarter one. The issue with this is our desperate and type A fans who need it today no matter the cost. We don't need to go all in on every poker hand.

Look at how desperate you are and how your optimism gets shattered year after year. 35 pages of Tony Wroten say it all. And, I get your pain btw ...

No. This team will not win unless 5 miracles happen. We need to trade melo and tank tank tank. Or of course sign Durant.

Who knows ... maybe phil has been trying to trade melo but the NTC and his value may be a problem.

we can't win by putting all our chips in every year and praying for a miracle.

And, you/we can't keep changing opinions and direction on a dime as if yesterdays opinions meant nothing. You were crazy over grant ... what happened to that? I know ... I guess this is what Horny wanted ... doesn't fly.

KP is a budding star I have no idea how a so called Knicks fan could not view KP a ROY runner up as a star. What about him makes it seem like he's not capable of a franchise type talent?

Regarding Phil's approach, I think as usual you're totally LOST in regards to understanding what he's doing. Why in the world should he take a more patient approach? He only had 1 pick and he made it count, but this wasn't a situation where he was going to be able to build solely thru the draft.

I'm not desperate. I'm a happy fan, and I wish I could figure out what the hell you are, besides being a F'n Troll of your own team! What was the reason from bringing up Wroten and the thread on him? What is the point of talking about how I liked Grant? When trades are made plans can change. I liked RoLo too. The Knicks brought in Rose so they have the push guard they wanted and Horny needed for how he wants the team to play. Seems simple enough but too hard for you to comprehend. Deals are made all the time. Phil is doing the right thing by supporting his new Coach. If Horny says he doesn't want Wroten then so be it. They had nothing serious invested in him. I liked him but so what? I'm not in the Knicks front office or coaching staff.

Regarding the teams direction, what matters most to Phil is WINNING. He's not doing anything except trying to put together a winning team. He hasn't sold the teams future, in fact he's added picks since coming to the team. If you weren't being so pissy perhaps you would see more clearly what's going on with the team you supposedly love. This Rose gambit could end up helping to push this team WAY up into the top of the East. It could really help in FA. Thing is you as usual don't want to even consider that good things could result from this move. FA is days away and I suppose you'll be ready to piss on any moves as usual.

well I guarantee that whoever they sign you will be thrilled.

Its easy to just say stuff when it does not count and tomorrow you can hit reboot and completely change your posting tune. I guess you and reboot phil have a lot in common.

Phil's got his coach that he feels can modernize his offense and inspire his team. He got his coach a PG he feels he can get back to playing more efficiently and helping the team play faster. Now with Rose FA players are considering the Knicks more seriously as we go into FA. I don't see what the negatives are in this. You have to point out exactly how this direction hurts the Knicks future. We still have KP and our picks going forward. We will be adding young talent to the roster this year as well, so that continues. What is it that you have a problem with in regards to all of this???

mreinman wrote:thats why you need many draft picks.

Youe premise is hoarding an inefficient means to acquire talent is an efficient means to acquire talent?

they could have included him in a package for another young asset or pick.

Right, so just keep turning them over because the odds of actually turning over something worthwhile are long and inefficient.

I'm starting to understand.

was drafting KP (by default) the only move that phil made that did not require a reboot? You can't see how this is shaky at best?

Since it is not immediately apparent to me what you mean when you refer to a "reboot" and it appears as if you're describing a very personal, subjective interpretation of how you perceive things I can genuinely say no, I don't see.

And I like JH but you just gave him a guy who can't shoot but loves to shoot (when healthy). Add that to carmelo's suspect shot selection. Are we setting him up to fail?

I don't know. I suspect you do, but then that always seem to be your default position.

Bonn1997 wrote:And then in 2017 we'll be hoping that he signs another 1 year deal because we're going to look much better in 2018! The future is always better than the present.

I dont see any chance of Durant coming to NY if Rose doesn't make everyone forget the last 4 years.