Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

100% correct... but he is ALWAYS hurt. He has never been able to stay healthy in his career. Now with smaller lineup and KP playing some 5 potentially he should be able to keep his minutes reasonable, but whats the contract? I mean he's a great player.. even all banged up he embarrassed Lopez last year.

If we could balance this by signing a younger I would open for sure... he would be a great addition. Even as a teacher for Willy, KP, KOQ.. etc

All I can say is fingers crossed he's healthy if we sign him. He never is. Great player though... tough call

How is he "ALWAYS" hurt? For his career, he's played in 572 games out of 738. That's 78% of games played.

That number increases to 83% if you remove last season (543 games played out of 656), his worst season in terms of health.

Is he going to be the league's iron man? No. Are his injury issues from last season an indicator of future health issues, perhaps.

But I wouldn't say he's always hurt.

He's averaged 64 games a season. That is missing more than a month and half a year on average, almost 20 games a year. That's a lot. 78% doesn't seem so bad, but its pretty bad. IT would be like signing him but he can play until Christmas... dude is hurt a lot and misses a lot of games. Im a fan but its part of the picture with Noah.

Better start warming up to him now... Sure sounds like he's gonna be the guy.

Not for nothing, but Robin Lopez averages 68.

One of the complaints when we signed Robin Lopez was that he was injured all the time.

Horford and Durant recently lost full seasons to injuries. It happens in the NBA.

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

Good points. I'm more than down on signing Noah and think he'd be just what this team needs on the floor and in the locker room. The only guy i'd want more then him at center would be Horford but Horford would cost us the max and i'd rather get Noah for $15-$18 and still have money for a legit SG and some bench pieces.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

100% correct... but he is ALWAYS hurt. He has never been able to stay healthy in his career. Now with smaller lineup and KP playing some 5 potentially he should be able to keep his minutes reasonable, but whats the contract? I mean he's a great player.. even all banged up he embarrassed Lopez last year.

If we could balance this by signing a younger I would open for sure... he would be a great addition. Even as a teacher for Willy, KP, KOQ.. etc

All I can say is fingers crossed he's healthy if we sign him. He never is. Great player though... tough call

How is he "ALWAYS" hurt? For his career, he's played in 572 games out of 738. That's 78% of games played.

That number increases to 83% if you remove last season (543 games played out of 656), his worst season in terms of health.

Is he going to be the league's iron man? No. Are his injury issues from last season an indicator of future health issues, perhaps.

But I wouldn't say he's always hurt.

He's averaged 64 games a season. That is missing more than a month and half a year on average, almost 20 games a year. That's a lot. 78% doesn't seem so bad, but its pretty bad. IT would be like signing him but he can play until Christmas... dude is hurt a lot and misses a lot of games. Im a fan but its part of the picture with Noah.

Better start warming up to him now... Sure sounds like he's gonna be the guy.

It's not much, but let's bump up the percentages to 79% games played total and 85% if you remove last season after the lockout adjusted numbers.

I sure as hell would prefer a guy who's played in 85% + games for his career. But based on our need for a Center who doesn't need the ball to be effective (nor will he get his shots with a KP Melo Rose core), I roll the dice on him for 2 years max.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

Good points. I'm more than down on signing Noah and think he'd be just what this team needs on the floor and in the locker room. The only guy i'd want more then him at center would be Horford but Horford would cost us the max and i'd rather get Noah for $15-$18 and still have money for a legit SG and some bench pieces.

I love Horford's game - I think he'd be a great fit here. But I have no idea where his head is at. Will he go to the Spurs? Warriors? He would fit with any team.

Also, just looked it up Horford has played in 272 out of the last 394 Hawks games over the past five years. That's 69% - same as Noah. His injuries were more freak injuries... but you never know. Noah is only a year older than Horford.

I agree that I'd like to add Noah AND a starting SG AND a backup PG.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

100% correct... but he is ALWAYS hurt. He has never been able to stay healthy in his career. Now with smaller lineup and KP playing some 5 potentially he should be able to keep his minutes reasonable, but whats the contract? I mean he's a great player.. even all banged up he embarrassed Lopez last year.

If we could balance this by signing a younger I would open for sure... he would be a great addition. Even as a teacher for Willy, KP, KOQ.. etc

All I can say is fingers crossed he's healthy if we sign him. He never is. Great player though... tough call

How is he "ALWAYS" hurt? For his career, he's played in 572 games out of 738. That's 78% of games played.

That number increases to 83% if you remove last season (543 games played out of 656), his worst season in terms of health.

Is he going to be the league's iron man? No. Are his injury issues from last season an indicator of future health issues, perhaps.

But I wouldn't say he's always hurt.

He's averaged 64 games a season. That is missing more than a month and half a year on average, almost 20 games a year. That's a lot. 78% doesn't seem so bad, but its pretty bad. IT would be like signing him but he can play until Christmas... dude is hurt a lot and misses a lot of games. Im a fan but its part of the picture with Noah.

Better start warming up to him now... Sure sounds like he's gonna be the guy.

It's not much, but let's bump up the percentages to 79% games played total and 85% if you remove last season after the lockout adjusted numbers.

I sure as hell would prefer a guy who's played in 85% + games for his career. But based on our need for a Center who doesn't need the ball to be effective (nor will he get his shots with a KP Melo Rose core), I roll the dice on him for 2 years max.

To be fair I forgot about the lockout season and counted that as 82 so my bad on that... that's 30ish extra games I had him missing.

All in all Noah is the type of guy we have been desperate for. Maybe it *feels* like he's hurt more than he has been. God he would be perfect next to KP.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

100% correct... but he is ALWAYS hurt. He has never been able to stay healthy in his career. Now with smaller lineup and KP playing some 5 potentially he should be able to keep his minutes reasonable, but whats the contract? I mean he's a great player.. even all banged up he embarrassed Lopez last year.

If we could balance this by signing a younger I would open for sure... he would be a great addition. Even as a teacher for Willy, KP, KOQ.. etc

All I can say is fingers crossed he's healthy if we sign him. He never is. Great player though... tough call

How is he "ALWAYS" hurt? For his career, he's played in 572 games out of 738. That's 78% of games played.

That number increases to 83% if you remove last season (543 games played out of 656), his worst season in terms of health.

Is he going to be the league's iron man? No. Are his injury issues from last season an indicator of future health issues, perhaps.

But I wouldn't say he's always hurt.

He's averaged 64 games a season. That is missing more than a month and half a year on average, almost 20 games a year. That's a lot. 78% doesn't seem so bad, but its pretty bad. IT would be like signing him but he can play until Christmas... dude is hurt a lot and misses a lot of games. Im a fan but its part of the picture with Noah.

Better start warming up to him now... Sure sounds like he's gonna be the guy.

It's not much, but let's bump up the percentages to 79% games played total and 85% if you remove last season after the lockout adjusted numbers.

I sure as hell would prefer a guy who's played in 85% + games for his career. But based on our need for a Center who doesn't need the ball to be effective (nor will he get his shots with a KP Melo Rose core), I roll the dice on him for 2 years max.

its gonna cost more... I cant picture less than 4/60 (which would be a pretty good deal actually).

To be fair I forgot about the lockout season and counted that as 82 so my bad on that... that's 30ish extra games I had him missing.

All in all Noah is the type of guy we have been desperate for. Maybe it *feels* like he's hurt more than he has been. God he would be perfect next to KP.

If he came with roster fit issues in addition to the the injury stats you and I highlighted, I would probably dread the potential move of him joining here.

But I'm looking at it from all angles, and I like what we may get aside from the health concerns.

ESOMKnicks wrote:Looking at Noah's scoring and shooting percentages last season, he is a freakin' disaster. Unless he comes very cheap (cheaper than Lopez) and with a team option for next year, I hope the Knicks take a pass.

Yes, his scoring was awful, but the rebounding Numbers were strong and the assists lapped the field.

That's the trade off. Assuming health, the rebounding will be there. The defense will be there. What he gives up in scoring ability he is not just a good, but a special post passer.

When the Bulls were at their best, scoring was an issue for them. Assuming Melo, KP, Rose and a warn body at the 2 are on the floor, Knicks wouldn't need him to score, but his vision on offense is intriguing.

I won't even try to qualify intangibles

He isn't the perfect player, if he was SA and GS etc would be lining up to offer him the max.

But he's does things you're overlooking.

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Looking at Noah's scoring and shooting percentages last season, he is a freakin' disaster. Unless he comes very cheap (cheaper than Lopez) and with a team option for next year, I hope the Knicks take a pass.

Yes, his scoring was awful, but the rebounding Numbers were strong and the assists lapped the field.

That's the trade off. Assuming health, the rebounding will be there. The defense will be there. What he gives up in scoring ability he is not just a good, but a special post passer.

When the Bulls were at their best, scoring was an issue for them. Assuming Melo, KP, Rose and a warn body at the 2 are on the floor, Knicks wouldn't need him to score, but his vision on offense is intriguing.

I won't even try to qualify intangibles

He isn't the perfect player, if he was SA and GS etc would be lining up to offer him the max.

But he's does things you're overlooking.

if he's coming off shoulder surgery rebounding and defense are big concerns... I mean shoulder vs. knee is really a push. If he's healthy when we sign him great. That shoulder injury is the kind that nags for years to come. Its not good injury. I know

I said assuming health.

I also assume any team signing him will conduct a physical and do their due dilligence.

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm not interested in targetting UFAs that have no interest in NY. Which excludes the tier 1 guys and probably most of the tier 3.

Noah is a game changer when he's healthy. He also seems to be able to get under LBJ's skin.

If the doctors think he has a chance to bounce back this year I'm on board with the signing. I won't love it but I'd be willing to roll the dice, especially if we get him on a "prove it" deal. There is a reason why Noah is rumored to get max offers...

the max offer rumors were/are complete BS.

we all would like him on a smart contract.

nixluva wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

nixluva wrote:Durant may be a long shot but I think adding Noah is a very high degree of probability. His game would fit well in the Knicks new style and roster. His ability to run the floor and pass would be great and his passion on D would be very important.

Joakim Noah’s Knicks momentum keeps building
By Marc Berman June 27, 2016 | 10:16am

The positive feelings between Joakim Noah and the Knicks are mutual.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks have “a very high interest” in signing Noah to play center in a frontcourt that would feature Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. Another NBA source said Noah is eager for at least a sitdown with the Knicks.

The Knicks traded last season’s starting center, Robin Lopez, in the deal that brought back Derrick Rose.

As The Post reported, Noah, a New York City product, was in town over the weekend and went clubbing with Rose on Thursday night. Rose confirmed at his press conference Friday he was already in the process of recruiting Noah.

A report the Wizards were planning to offer Noah the max was shot down, but they should have interest. The Chicago Sun-Times reported Sunday money isn’t the No. 1 priority for Noah. The newspaper cited three factors: a chance to win, a chance to start and finish games and joining a club that would get behind his Noah’s Arc Foundation. The report stated it would be “naive” to think Noah would just go for the highest offer.

That’s good news for the Knicks. They have approximately $30 million in cap space — factoring in three cap holds for their own choice free agents — and still need to spend on a starting shooting guard.

The Knicks also could face opposition from Minnesota, where former Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau runs the show. The Bulls are not believed to be in the picture, though they have requested a meeting with Noah.

“Oh, I want him. He knows that. I think his family knows that. I think everybody knows that,” Rose said at his press conference.

“Even last night, I was talking to him about it. He’s in a position where he got injured twice last year, it was his contract year and he has to figure out what he wants to do. I can’t get mad with the decision he makes soon. He knows I would want to play with him.”

The Knicks don’t have a meeting set up with Kevin Durant, who will be with Carmelo Anthony at a press conference Monday to announce the US Olympic Team. Durant has spent the past several days in New York, where his Roc Nation agency is based.

The Vertical reported six teams — Warriors, Heat, Celtics, Clippers, Spurs and Thunder — will meet with Durant on July 1. Durant won’t even meet with the Wizards, his hometown team. On Sunday, the Oklahoman listed the top eight contenders for Durant and the Knicks were missing from the list.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/27/joakim-noahs-knicks-momentum-keeps-building/

Nix, is this your heart saying this or your stats? We are certainly compounding injury risk. Noah's offensive numbers appear to be in decline. His passing is upper tier and that hasnt really changed. But can he be more than a 20 min guy? This becomes just a function of cost.

How much would you pay Noah? I like your quants... if Lopez was $13mm last year, what is Noah this year?

Noah IMO is the kind of guy you add like Rasheed. His presence in the locker room, practice floor and in the ear of the team during games is very valuable. He is PERFECT to help mentor Willy and KP. I put a HIGH value on that.

Agree. As long as he is offered the same salary Rasheed got.

HofstraBBall wrote:Noah would be Tyson Chandler light.

Nope, the passing isn't going anywhere. That's a skill that won't be subject to the same potential decline.

Chandler could only be set-up.

Noah can do the setting up.

The dude is just in his own category with post-passing and getting better.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio/year/2015

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio/year/2014

35% of the times he touched the ball last year it ended in an assist.

To show it wasn't a one-year anomaly based on limited playing time, the year before it was 33% (different head coaches and different offensive system year-to-year, btw. He simply sees the court like a PG and a very good PG at that).

Having a player on the floor like that is hard to qualify.

having him in the same front count with Porzingis is tantalizing.