Knicks waived Tony Wroten for disciplinary reason: source

The reason the Knicks waived Tony Wroten had nothing to do with an injury.
BY
STEFAN BONDY
FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 4:46 PM

ORLANDO — The Knicks need a backup point guard for injury-prone Derrick Rose and had one in Tony Wroten before suspiciously waiving him last week.

The team included that surprising tidbit at the bottom of the press release in the Rose trade — even though it had nothing to do with creating cap space or a roster spot for the deal — killing a multi-year deal months before any deadlines to guarantee the contract.

Although some tried to suggest Wroten suffered a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery, a source told the Daily News the 23-year-old was actually released for an undisclosed disciplinary reason. It would explain why new coach Jeff Hornacek, when asked recently why the Knicks gave up on Wroten, completely danced around the question.

“We'll continue to evaluate players throughout the league and try to get the best players out there,” he said.

Just days after being waived by the Knicks, Wroten was picked up off waivers by the Grizzlies. The Knicks had viewed Wroten as a project with upside that they can evaluate over the summer. He never got to Summer League. And now New York, which traded Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant, is in the market for two point guards.

“That’s the goal of every team out there is to have a capable backup point guard in case the top guy goes down And not only that, you need a third point guard,” Hornacek said. “Because if one guy goes down, now you need a decent backup. So we’re looking to fill some of those backup positions and get quality guys in there that we know can step on the court if need be.”

The Knicks can still bring back Langston Galloway, who gobbled up some minutes at point guard last season. Among the other free agency options for a second or third-string point guard: Matthew Dellavedova, Mario Chalmers, Randy Foye, DJ Augustin and Ramon Sessions.

nixluva wrote:Seems lie there may be an answer to what happened with Wroten and the Knicks:

Knicks waived Tony Wroten for disciplinary reason: source

The reason the Knicks waived Tony Wroten had nothing to do with an injury.
BY
STEFAN BONDY
FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 4:46 PM

ORLANDO — The Knicks need a backup point guard for injury-prone Derrick Rose and had one in Tony Wroten before suspiciously waiving him last week.

The team included that surprising tidbit at the bottom of the press release in the Rose trade — even though it had nothing to do with creating cap space or a roster spot for the deal — killing a multi-year deal months before any deadlines to guarantee the contract.

Although some tried to suggest Wroten suffered a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery, a source told the Daily News the 23-year-old was actually released for an undisclosed disciplinary reason. It would explain why new coach Jeff Hornacek, when asked recently why the Knicks gave up on Wroten, completely danced around the question.

“We'll continue to evaluate players throughout the league and try to get the best players out there,” he said.

Just days after being waived by the Knicks, Wroten was picked up off waivers by the Grizzlies. The Knicks had viewed Wroten as a project with upside that they can evaluate over the summer. He never got to Summer League. And now New York, which traded Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant, is in the market for two point guards.

“That’s the goal of every team out there is to have a capable backup point guard in case the top guy goes down And not only that, you need a third point guard,” Hornacek said. “Because if one guy goes down, now you need a decent backup. So we’re looking to fill some of those backup positions and get quality guys in there that we know can step on the court if need be.”

The Knicks can still bring back Langston Galloway, who gobbled up some minutes at point guard last season. Among the other free agency options for a second or third-string point guard: Matthew Dellavedova, Mario Chalmers, Randy Foye, DJ Augustin and Ramon Sessions.

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Must have been pretty bad for them to cut him loose with a gutted roster. What could Wroten have done in the off season that got him bounced?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Seems lie there may be an answer to what happened with Wroten and the Knicks:

Knicks waived Tony Wroten for disciplinary reason: source

The reason the Knicks waived Tony Wroten had nothing to do with an injury.
BY
STEFAN BONDY
FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 4:46 PM

ORLANDO — The Knicks need a backup point guard for injury-prone Derrick Rose and had one in Tony Wroten before suspiciously waiving him last week.

The team included that surprising tidbit at the bottom of the press release in the Rose trade — even though it had nothing to do with creating cap space or a roster spot for the deal — killing a multi-year deal months before any deadlines to guarantee the contract.

Although some tried to suggest Wroten suffered a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery, a source told the Daily News the 23-year-old was actually released for an undisclosed disciplinary reason. It would explain why new coach Jeff Hornacek, when asked recently why the Knicks gave up on Wroten, completely danced around the question.

“We'll continue to evaluate players throughout the league and try to get the best players out there,” he said.

Just days after being waived by the Knicks, Wroten was picked up off waivers by the Grizzlies. The Knicks had viewed Wroten as a project with upside that they can evaluate over the summer. He never got to Summer League. And now New York, which traded Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant, is in the market for two point guards.

“That’s the goal of every team out there is to have a capable backup point guard in case the top guy goes down And not only that, you need a third point guard,” Hornacek said. “Because if one guy goes down, now you need a decent backup. So we’re looking to fill some of those backup positions and get quality guys in there that we know can step on the court if need be.”

The Knicks can still bring back Langston Galloway, who gobbled up some minutes at point guard last season. Among the other free agency options for a second or third-string point guard: Matthew Dellavedova, Mario Chalmers, Randy Foye, DJ Augustin and Ramon Sessions.

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so what is the lesson learned here? Maybe when you get released by the worst team in decades that should sound an alarm that we should sit the hand out.

I don't know that what you're saying makes any sense. He was waived by the Sixers due to his injury and poor performance. They needed someone who was ready to contribute. There wasn't any hint of anything else at the time. Also the Knicks didn't overcommit. They signed him to a deal that was friendly to the team. So what harm did that end up causing the Knicks? They will continue to look for players that have upside and low cost.

no harm at all unless one posted or read through 35 pages of how great tony wroten will be.

If true, I'm really interested to know why Wroten did what he did, as he seemed eager to be on the team last year.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Seems lie there may be an answer to what happened with Wroten and the Knicks:

Knicks waived Tony Wroten for disciplinary reason: source

The reason the Knicks waived Tony Wroten had nothing to do with an injury.
BY
STEFAN BONDY
FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 4:46 PM

ORLANDO — The Knicks need a backup point guard for injury-prone Derrick Rose and had one in Tony Wroten before suspiciously waiving him last week.

The team included that surprising tidbit at the bottom of the press release in the Rose trade — even though it had nothing to do with creating cap space or a roster spot for the deal — killing a multi-year deal months before any deadlines to guarantee the contract.

Although some tried to suggest Wroten suffered a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery, a source told the Daily News the 23-year-old was actually released for an undisclosed disciplinary reason. It would explain why new coach Jeff Hornacek, when asked recently why the Knicks gave up on Wroten, completely danced around the question.

“We'll continue to evaluate players throughout the league and try to get the best players out there,” he said.

Just days after being waived by the Knicks, Wroten was picked up off waivers by the Grizzlies. The Knicks had viewed Wroten as a project with upside that they can evaluate over the summer. He never got to Summer League. And now New York, which traded Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant, is in the market for two point guards.

“That’s the goal of every team out there is to have a capable backup point guard in case the top guy goes down And not only that, you need a third point guard,” Hornacek said. “Because if one guy goes down, now you need a decent backup. So we’re looking to fill some of those backup positions and get quality guys in there that we know can step on the court if need be.”

The Knicks can still bring back Langston Galloway, who gobbled up some minutes at point guard last season. Among the other free agency options for a second or third-string point guard: Matthew Dellavedova, Mario Chalmers, Randy Foye, DJ Augustin and Ramon Sessions.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-waived-tony-wroten-disciplinary-reason-source-article-1.2693082?utm_content=bufferb3118&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

so what is the lesson learned here? Maybe when you get released by the worst team in decades that should sound an alarm that we should sit the hand out.

I don't know that what you're saying makes any sense. He was waived by the Sixers due to his injury and poor performance. They needed someone who was ready to contribute. There wasn't any hint of anything else at the time. Also the Knicks didn't overcommit. They signed him to a deal that was friendly to the team. So what harm did that end up causing the Knicks? They will continue to look for players that have upside and low cost.

no harm at all unless one posted or read through 35 pages of how great tony wroten will be.

Why do you continue to basically exaggerate what was actually being said in this thread? This is something that you and some others tend to do all of the time and it's not only wrong but annoying. No one said anything about Wroten being great. There was hope he could play well enough to make the team and help them play uptempo and get to the rim. That was his strength. At the same time we ALWAYS noted that he was a project and needed more development. He was far from a finished product. You continue to ignore the fact that many of us kept saying these things about Wroten. You made up in your own mind that we were trying to suggest he was somehow an All Star level player or something. No one was suggesting that. We needed a guard that could play a role in a more uptempo offense and penetrating the defense. That's what his talents suggest he could do and that's why Phil took a chance on him. Phil also protected the team with a favorable contract.

He was build up a bit too much around here, IMO. We all have players we overrate, and this seemed to be the case with Wroten.

I was never enamored with him as a player, but hoped to be proven wrong about him this season.

Phil did the right thing contract-wise, so we don't lose anything with his departure, but I would love to find out why/how Wroten screwed up, and will be very interested to see if he latches on to any team this year.

crzymdups wrote:Shame about Wroten. I don't think people overrated him - he was just the lone hope for any kind of interest in the second half of last season during the Rambis doldrums.

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:Seems lie there may be an answer to what happened with Wroten and the Knicks:

Knicks waived Tony Wroten for disciplinary reason: source

The reason the Knicks waived Tony Wroten had nothing to do with an injury.
BY
STEFAN BONDY
FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 4:46 PM

ORLANDO — The Knicks need a backup point guard for injury-prone Derrick Rose and had one in Tony Wroten before suspiciously waiving him last week.

The team included that surprising tidbit at the bottom of the press release in the Rose trade — even though it had nothing to do with creating cap space or a roster spot for the deal — killing a multi-year deal months before any deadlines to guarantee the contract.

Although some tried to suggest Wroten suffered a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery, a source told the Daily News the 23-year-old was actually released for an undisclosed disciplinary reason. It would explain why new coach Jeff Hornacek, when asked recently why the Knicks gave up on Wroten, completely danced around the question.

“We'll continue to evaluate players throughout the league and try to get the best players out there,” he said.

Just days after being waived by the Knicks, Wroten was picked up off waivers by the Grizzlies. The Knicks had viewed Wroten as a project with upside that they can evaluate over the summer. He never got to Summer League. And now New York, which traded Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant, is in the market for two point guards.

“That’s the goal of every team out there is to have a capable backup point guard in case the top guy goes down And not only that, you need a third point guard,” Hornacek said. “Because if one guy goes down, now you need a decent backup. So we’re looking to fill some of those backup positions and get quality guys in there that we know can step on the court if need be.”

The Knicks can still bring back Langston Galloway, who gobbled up some minutes at point guard last season. Among the other free agency options for a second or third-string point guard: Matthew Dellavedova, Mario Chalmers, Randy Foye, DJ Augustin and Ramon Sessions.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-waived-tony-wroten-disciplinary-reason-source-article-1.2693082?utm_content=bufferb3118&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Must have been pretty bad for them to cut him loose with a gutted roster. What could Wroten have done in the off season that got him bounced?

I'm sure not show up to scheduled workouts or fulfill rehab requirements. Lamar Odom did the same when he signed a non-guaranteed contract 2 years ago. When you are a fringe NBA player, those things are 1 strike, you're out.

Im guessing that there was more than one strike, unless he was out somewhere that really pissed them off. Broken alarm clock, car breaks down, probably would have gottem him off once.

But there is a culture amongst knick fans that goes back way before we were born, to overrate their own players. I was on a Chicago site and somebody said the same about bulls fans. That cones with the territory when u have a strong fan base. I thought he could regain his athleticism..... And I think he will exceed my expectations even more now that he's in a different market place....assuming he gets playing time.

So what's the story here -- why no move for a late 2nd round/UDFA PG? As usual, little to no communication from the front office so all we have is speculation: (1) did Dolan reject the idea because the pick would've cost too much money? Ok, what's the solution then, Jimmy? Throw $10mm/year at DJ Augustin?? (2) We didn't have the money to use because we blew some of it in the KOQ acquisition? Well that sucks but if that's the case, tell us!!! Here we were believing these reports from "sources" saying we were looking to trade for/buy a pick. How, if we didn't have enough money to? (3) Another one of my favorites--Phil grabbed 2nd rounders in the last couple of drafts. OK, and? Does that somehow give him a pass to no longer be aggressive now? We needed a move like that now more than ever. Look at this roster -- where's the depth?!? And again, you can't tell me FA, with all these absurdly inflated signings that are about to start taking place was their solution all along.. Whatever, but then we had chances after the draft and chose not to be aggressive. Hey man, that's what it looks like to me, but some will say 'well, these UDFAs can make up their own minds--maybe they didn't want to come here.' I don't buy that -- why'd the Knicks even bother working out some of these guys then (not sure about GP2 but I know we worked out Barber and Ferrell)? Not only that--this team just upgraded the head coach spot with a bright/well-known name (who values and has had success with young PGs btw), got Derrick Rose, already have Melo/KP and have Phil Jackson at the top. Now we're all hoping that mix can attract a major FA, but you mean to tell me that's not good enough to attract an UDFA??? What UDFA is turning us down for a potential backup PG spot and potentially decent PT? What agent is telling his UDFA client the Knicks aren't a good choice (on paper now with Rose, there's a chance to be successful with the top-heavy star talent in place AND there's a chance for playing time behind Rose as that spot's wide open right now. Plus Rose could pull up lame at any time which would open up more PT)? What agent is telling Phil Jackson, 'no thanks, Phil. My guy's gonna pass' (that's IF he was even aggressive in reaching out to these players--was he?? I have SEVERE doubts here--don't you think we would've heard something, even in a failed attempt?).

And then it's tough to fathom that we didn't like any of these guys enough to reach out and make an offer. If you're Phil/Gaines, how the hell do you value the decidedly mediocre Langston Galloway or the troubled/inconsistent/injured Tony Wroten (the first is a FA that I wouldn't bring back; the latter, we already severed ties with) but then have zero interest in a Cat Barber, Gary Payton II or Yogi Ferrell? All 3 of those guys have qualities we should've been interested in. I mean, really?? Hey, I know we can still sign any of these guys even though they're on someone else's SL team but still man, why not be aggressive and try to get them in here learning this system asap if they liked them (plus I would think our chances get a little lower now--you figure any team that signs a guy for their own SL and is in constant contact with him will have first crack at him)? And I know full well we didn't have a pick going in and our chances to do much of anything were already limited but I mean we took the time and effort to work out multiple players from this draft -- who did we like and what the hell was the plan exactly? Can't tell me the plan all along was to grab Ron Baker for SL after it was all over (even though that kid does look promising enough--not trying to take anything away from him or the Knicks. Nice move, but we really needed PG depth too, I think more so)...Didn't have the money for a pick/Jimmy didn't want to spend the money, OK, but there were DAMN GOOD choices for a PG after the draft was over -- 3 of the 6 PGs I really liked for us went undrafted. How is it we're not gonna be watching any of them in SL now? The need is there and the money to retool in FA is gonna be an absolute joke. Opportunity completely lost here imo to pick up a quality/young/cheap PG that we could've groomed into something. Heck, all 3 of these undrafted PGs I mentioned could play in the NBA right now, weaknesses and all. I take any one of them over Langston Galloway right now without even thinking twice about it.