CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If Phil had been allowed to hire Rambis and install his Triangle culture as he wanted, I think Rambis would have been named the coach by now.

Instead we have this mysterious vacation. The vacation came AFTER the Triangle Seminar

I don't think Rambis will be the coach, one way or the other. I think he'll certainly be on the coaching STAFF, though not as head coach. I think the team may run the Triangle offense, with Kurt serving as Tex Winter 2.

But I think the vacation and Phil mulling the coaching move will mean a different head coach once the silence is broken.

I think maybe Blatt, maybe Vogel, maybe Phil himself.

Time will tell.

Rambis didn't knock it out of the park as the head coach and so that made Phil have to pause and look at other options. The only thing stopping Phil from hiring Rambis is Phil. It's Phil's decision to make and I think as he always does, Phil is taking his time to really weigh the plus and minus of Rambis verses Vogel, Blatt etc.

and the cons out weigh the pros.

you want(we all want to believe) that since phil inherited 2 very good talented rosters and won 11 rings, that he has the ability to build a championship team. Phil knows what mind set, and what kind of team needed, but that's far from having the ability to put a team together from scratch, then find the right coach that's going to be 99% on the same page.

How does it look to overlook rambis and hire fisher who had zero experience, fire fisher 16 months later, let rambis finish the season in dreadful fashion, boot him out of the exit meetings, interview more qualified candidates, wait a month and then hire rambis anyway.

you know how retarded that looks, to the media, fans, and free agents.

I forgot about Rambis being kept out of the exit interviews with Phil and Mills.

Good catch.

That to me is another signal that whether Phil wants Rambis back or not - Mills (and his boss) are far more skeptical.

Really? I took at as Rambis was not super impressive and that Phil wanted players to talk candidly about Rambis. They probably don't do that if Rambis is sitting next to Phil asking them questions and telling them what to work on in the offseason. I am really surprised that you don't think the coaching hire is Phil's call.

Phil stipulated in his deal that Dolan not interfere and he be given final say in basketball matters. If Dolan was back involved Phil would walk.

Dolan already stepped in before about the medical staff. Are you sure that Jimmer Fredette was a Phil move and not a Mills one? We really don't know.

I think Phil very publicly taking a vacation at one of the most crucial junctures of the off-season may actually be his way of protesting.

I do not think all is rosy in Knicksland, as you seem to.

I disagree. I think you are trying to hard to find something that would indicate the Knicks are back to the same old stuff. In regards to Fredette, my thought was that it was to get him paid for being a W-Knick. He wasn't an assigned player like Thanasis, Atkins etc. so he didn't get the extra 75 grand to play in the d l.

He was brought up immediately after the Knicks whiffed at the trade deadline. Almost a fan service move. Does that seem like something Phil would do?

It was also right after he had the huge game in the d league all star game where he won mvp. Who did Phil whiff on? Teague?

If my memory is correct, he whiffed on every single move he tried to make and the Knicks did not make a trade, despite the fact they were desperately looking to upgrade the PG position.

Just because guys are mentioned as being available doesn't mean the Knicks whiffed on them. I am not upset that the Knicks didn't over pay for Teague or somehow derail the Jennings to the Magic trade by trading picks and Grant etc. It would be easy to chase names the media throws out there without regards to the future but the Knicks tried that approach for years. I think standing pat was the smart move not a whiff.

Well said and i agree. A lot of fans still can't get that doing a rebuild the right way is gonna take time and trading away future draft picks at the trade deadline would of been the old way of doing things which is what it would of took for us to get anyone at the trade deadline since we didn't have any desirable players that any other team would of wanted besides J.Grant or maybe W.Hermangomez and i don't see trading either of them being a smart move.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:How does it look to overlook rambis and hire fisher who had zero experience, fire fisher 16 months later . . .

Not only LOOKS awful . . . it IS awful.

Yep. That was where I lost faith in Phil.

Hahahahaha you guys are soooooo.........................lol

You realize Malcolm is one of the most pro-Triangle posters on here, right?

Phil's handling of the Fisher situation was horrendous.

Horrendous?? Hahahaha. He hired the guy to run a certain system, Fisher didn't run that system like he said he would and didn't communicate with Phil like he should have and had the M.Barnes situation which was an embarrassment for the team and would of been embarrassing for any team, he ran his mouth about Rondo which a professional head coach would have never done.......Fisher needed to go. Anything else??

nixluva wrote:I'm so TIRED of arguing the past when it comes to this team. MY GOD! We just drafted KP and if a fan can't look forward instead of bytching and wallowing in the past then they need to find something else to do with their time!!! This is not a doom and gloom situation and the Media and some fans need to stop forcing this narrative on everyone.

We got KP and Jerian and at the start both looked great. Jerian lost his confidence but at the end of the year he regained it and looks like he's back on track. KP was awesome!!! We still haven't even seen Willy yet from that draft. So IMO it's totally ridiculous to turn sour on this team when there is so much upside going into this Offseason. Phil has a chance to add some talent and this team could be looking very good for the future with lots of young talent and all our picks going forward.

It gets tiring to try to talk some sense into the negative nancies on here and i've said many times that i understand some of their frustration cause i'm frustrated as well and i want Phil to hire a legit head coach just as much as anyone, but i understand that Phil is 100% trying to do this the right way and i understand that to do it the right way it takes time, but some fans don't seem to understand and just wanna bytch and bytch and bytch in every single thread and it drives me crazy that they can't look past the negatives that's going on and see the positives which are so much better than the negatives. Wow i'm not even sure i understand what i just wrote.

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If Phil had been allowed to hire Rambis and install his Triangle culture as he wanted, I think Rambis would have been named the coach by now.

Instead we have this mysterious vacation. The vacation came AFTER the Triangle Seminar

I don't think Rambis will be the coach, one way or the other. I think he'll certainly be on the coaching STAFF, though not as head coach. I think the team may run the Triangle offense, with Kurt serving as Tex Winter 2.

But I think the vacation and Phil mulling the coaching move will mean a different head coach once the silence is broken.

I think maybe Blatt, maybe Vogel, maybe Phil himself.

Time will tell.

Rambis didn't knock it out of the park as the head coach and so that made Phil have to pause and look at other options. The only thing stopping Phil from hiring Rambis is Phil. It's Phil's decision to make and I think as he always does, Phil is taking his time to really weigh the plus and minus of Rambis verses Vogel, Blatt etc.

and the cons out weigh the pros.

you want(we all want to believe) that since phil inherited 2 very good talented rosters and won 11 rings, that he has the ability to build a championship team. Phil knows what mind set, and what kind of team needed, but that's far from having the ability to put a team together from scratch, then find the right coach that's going to be 99% on the same page.

How does it look to overlook rambis and hire fisher who had zero experience, fire fisher 16 months later, let rambis finish the season in dreadful fashion, boot him out of the exit meetings, interview more qualified candidates, wait a month and then hire rambis anyway.

you know how retarded that looks, to the media, fans, and free agents.

I forgot about Rambis being kept out of the exit interviews with Phil and Mills.

Good catch.

That to me is another signal that whether Phil wants Rambis back or not - Mills (and his boss) are far more skeptical.

Really? I took at as Rambis was not super impressive and that Phil wanted players to talk candidly about Rambis. They probably don't do that if Rambis is sitting next to Phil asking them questions and telling them what to work on in the offseason. I am really surprised that you don't think the coaching hire is Phil's call.

Phil stipulated in his deal that Dolan not interfere and he be given final say in basketball matters. If Dolan was back involved Phil would walk.

Dolan already stepped in before about the medical staff. Are you sure that Jimmer Fredette was a Phil move and not a Mills one? We really don't know.

I think Phil very publicly taking a vacation at one of the most crucial junctures of the off-season may actually be his way of protesting.

I do not think all is rosy in Knicksland, as you seem to.

I disagree. I think you are trying to hard to find something that would indicate the Knicks are back to the same old stuff. In regards to Fredette, my thought was that it was to get him paid for being a W-Knick. He wasn't an assigned player like Thanasis, Atkins etc. so he didn't get the extra 75 grand to play in the d l.

He was brought up immediately after the Knicks whiffed at the trade deadline. Almost a fan service move. Does that seem like something Phil would do?

It was also right after he had the huge game in the d league all star game where he won mvp. Who did Phil whiff on? Teague?

If my memory is correct, he whiffed on every single move he tried to make and the Knicks did not make a trade, despite the fact they were desperately looking to upgrade the PG position.

Just because guys are mentioned as being available doesn't mean the Knicks whiffed on them. I am not upset that the Knicks didn't over pay for Teague or somehow derail the Jennings to the Magic trade by trading picks and Grant etc. It would be easy to chase names the media throws out there without regards to the future but the Knicks tried that approach for years. I think standing pat was the smart move not a whiff.

Well said and i agree. A lot of fans still can't get that doing a rebuild the right way is gonna take time and trading away future draft picks at the trade deadline would of been the old way of doing things which is what it would of took for us to get anyone at the trade deadline since we didn't have any desirable players that any other team would of wanted besides J.Grant or maybe W.Hermangomez and i don't see trading either of them being a smart move.

Look, what's missing here is the improvement in Lance Thomas's play and the play of Derrick Williams. Thomas, a by-product of year zero came in like gang-busters this past year and his injury is a prime factor in the team failing to make the playoffs.

Why is he key? Because he's the kind of player Phil wants to build around - great attitude, talent that shines in a disciplined system, hustle. Williams caught the same vibe. My guess is that both know a great situation when they experience it. They should both take a hard look at what happened to Landry Fields and Jeremy Lin who never had it as good as they did in NY. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see Fields back in a role with reduced expectations - maybe coming off the bench.

There is a LOT to like about the architecture of this roster. It's not built on star-phuck, it's a skill, grit, and hustle look that I think Phil will complement this summer in his signings. Melo is in exactly the right place for a team turnaround.

When it starts to click everybody will wonder why the Triangle was an issue at all.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If Phil had been allowed to hire Rambis and install his Triangle culture as he wanted, I think Rambis would have been named the coach by now.

Instead we have this mysterious vacation. The vacation came AFTER the Triangle Seminar

I don't think Rambis will be the coach, one way or the other. I think he'll certainly be on the coaching STAFF, though not as head coach. I think the team may run the Triangle offense, with Kurt serving as Tex Winter 2.

But I think the vacation and Phil mulling the coaching move will mean a different head coach once the silence is broken.

I think maybe Blatt, maybe Vogel, maybe Phil himself.

Time will tell.

Rambis didn't knock it out of the park as the head coach and so that made Phil have to pause and look at other options. The only thing stopping Phil from hiring Rambis is Phil. It's Phil's decision to make and I think as he always does, Phil is taking his time to really weigh the plus and minus of Rambis verses Vogel, Blatt etc.

and the cons out weigh the pros.

you want(we all want to believe) that since phil inherited 2 very good talented rosters and won 11 rings, that he has the ability to build a championship team. Phil knows what mind set, and what kind of team needed, but that's far from having the ability to put a team together from scratch, then find the right coach that's going to be 99% on the same page.

How does it look to overlook rambis and hire fisher who had zero experience, fire fisher 16 months later, let rambis finish the season in dreadful fashion, boot him out of the exit meetings, interview more qualified candidates, wait a month and then hire rambis anyway.

you know how retarded that looks, to the media, fans, and free agents.

And please tell me how we'll ever know if Phil can build a championship team if he isn't given the chance to do it?? He's had ONE year of making additions to this team so either you think a championship team can be built in one year or you just don't want to give him the chance.

He's had two years of making additions to the team. The first year he traded Felton and Tyson Chandler for Jose Calderon and Samuel Dalembert.

I love the rose colored lens for Phil.

Typical teams that tear things down to draft high and build from there reach .500 in years 3-5. How long do you think it takes to get there?

we should have been at 500 this past season

that's some high expectations but fair. Note: .500 with the worst backcourt in the league, a starting rookie, and an all-star who never made it back 100% from injury.

IDK, both calderon and AA were rotational players on playoff teams prior to joining the knicks.

In a nut shell, is it hard to just say, phil did a horrible job upgrading the roster, because i think he did a very solid job.

we had the worse coaching staff in the league. Once you have a coaching staff not on the same page, what possible good comes out of that?

Malcolm wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The problem with Phil is that he didn't think he was tearing it down. He traded for Calderon and Dalembert, thinking he could make the playoffs. If he thought he was tearing it down, he could've traded Tyson for a first round pick.

This is a reasonable criticism . . .

Is it?? NOBODY was giving us a 1st round pick for Tyrson and his horrible contract, the only reason Dallas took him back is because Cuban thought he was the piece missing from when they won their championship and how did that work out for Cuban?? lol

The reasonable part of it is criticizing Jackson for thinking that his first year team could make
the playoffs.

That was COMPLETELY delusional (if it is indeed what Jackson was thinking) -- and not just
in retrospect.

Are you telling me that there was ANY chance that the first year roster with an inexperienced
coach could get a roster of Triangle rookies to implement the Triangle well enough to get to
the playoffs (?)

Please don't tell me that . . . because you and I typically agree 99% of the time.

Wait what?? I think Phil said he thinks they could make the playoffs because it's the right thing for a team president to say. I think in a eastern conference that has been much weaker than the west for many years that that Knicks team had an outside chance of making the 8th seed if everything would of went right for them like Calderon being the player he was for Dallas or Detroit, if Melo would have stayed healthy and not missed the whole 2nd half, if JR Smith wouldn't of been a distraction, if Amare could give us a healthy season with giving the team 20/25 minutes a game, if THJ/Shump/Bargs/S.Dalembert/Jason Smith and others would of given us good minutes from the bench. We actually had a decent roster for a eastern team.

PG--J.Calderon
SG--JR Smith/Shump
SF--Melo
PF--Amare/Jason Smith/Q.Acy
C--S.Dalembert/C.Aldrich

Is it a great team? Absolutely not but if everything would of went right especially If Calderon could of been what we thought he could of been then i think that team could of made an 8th seed in the weak east.

Now please don't take this as me saying this is a good team and the players were good players cause that's not what i'm saying at all.