newyorker4ever wrote:It sounds like everyone is already getting their hopes up that Phil will get Vogel when he CLEARLY has said he wants someone in his circle and someone that knows and runs his system which Vogel has neither one going for him. I'm not sure which teams are without a head coach right now besides Sacramento, Houston and our Knicks so not sure if Denver, NO and i thought i heard that Portland was maybe gonna get rid of their head coach but not sure so out of those three teams that for sure don't have a coach in place i can see Houston being a very attractive job for Vogel and i wouldn't doubt if they already put a call in to Vogel.

I just don't want everyone to get their hopes up that we could get Vogel just to get disappointed when it doesn't happen even though it sounds like everyone's hopes are already up for that to happen. I would love to get him and it sure does seem like he would fit in New York being from Jersey and having a lot of family still there that all come to the games when the Pacers come to the Garden. It's just that i could see Phil not even interviewing him because he doesn't fit any of the criteria that Phil said he wants and we all know how stubborn Phil is.

Hopefully Phil will at the very least give the guy an interview which would mean he's at least somewhat interested. Maybe we could get Vogel, Shaw, Rambis and Blatt....lol.

I think the most realistic goal should be Vogel and his people to run the defense, Rambis, Shaw, and Cleamons to run the offense, and keeping a few of the OKC guys who cam with fisher who are still under contract for development. The knicks aren't broke so why not get a superior coaching staff.

technomaster wrote:Alright, Knicks - our next head coach is now available, go get him.

Highlights:
Frank Vogel has a winning record as a Head coach. Led Pacers to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years, including two trips to the conference finals. They were knocked out 3 of those times by the big 3 Miami Heat teams. (2 of those went on to win the title) Given the sheer talent of the opponent, we can't hold it against him - on the 3rd go-around, the Pacers pushed a game 7.
* Led top-10 defensive teams each year.
* Never played in the NBA - made his mark as an advance scout and video assistant.
* Worked with Rick Pitino at Kentucky.
* Hired Brian Shaw (Phil/triangle disciple) as his lead assistant when he got the Pacer job.
* Advance Scout with the Lakers while Phil was winning championships there.
* Helped develop young Paul George and Roy Hibbert into all-stars. (Lance Stephenson was a close snub)
* Coached 2014 all star game.

Do not disappoint me. ‪#‎frankvogel‬ ‪#‎gonygonygo‬ ‪#‎nyknicks‬ ‪#‎triangle‬

fishmike wrote:

technomaster wrote:Alright, Knicks - our next head coach is now available, go get him.

Highlights:
Frank Vogel has a winning record as a Head coach. Led Pacers to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years, including two trips to the conference finals. They were knocked out 3 of those times by the big 3 Miami Heat teams. (2 of those went on to win the title) Given the sheer talent of the opponent, we can't hold it against him - on the 3rd go-around, the Pacers pushed a game 7.
* Led top-10 defensive teams each year.
* Never played in the NBA - made his mark as an advance scout and video assistant.
* Worked with Rick Pitino at Kentucky.
* Hired Brian Shaw (Phil/triangle disciple) as his lead assistant when he got the Pacer job.
* Advance Scout with the Lakers while Phil was winning championships there.
* Helped develop young Paul George and Roy Hibbert into all-stars. (Lance Stephenson was a close snub)
* Coached 2014 all star game.

Do not disappoint me. ‪#‎frankvogel‬ ‪#‎gonygonygo‬ ‪#‎nyknicks‬ ‪#‎triangle‬

well done

+1

callmened wrote:

wargames wrote:I think the most realistic goal should be Vogel and his people to run the defense, Rambis, Shaw, and Cleamons to run the offense, and keeping a few of the OKC guys who cam with fisher who are still under contract for development. The knicks aren't broke so why not get a superior coaching staff.

I agree with this...and o yeah UPGRADE THE TALENT. lol

That goes without saying. I think a superior coaching staff could make some players much more open to playing in NY as well.

technomaster wrote:Alright, Knicks - our next head coach is now available, go get him.

Highlights:
Frank Vogel has a winning record as a Head coach. Led Pacers to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years, including two trips to the conference finals. They were knocked out 3 of those times by the big 3 Miami Heat teams. (2 of those went on to win the title) Given the sheer talent of the opponent, we can't hold it against him - on the 3rd go-around, the Pacers pushed a game 7.
* Led top-10 defensive teams each year.
* Never played in the NBA - made his mark as an advance scout and video assistant.
* Worked with Rick Pitino at Kentucky.
* Hired Brian Shaw (Phil/triangle disciple) as his lead assistant when he got the Pacer job.
* Advance Scout with the Lakers while Phil was winning championships there.
* Helped develop young Paul George and Roy Hibbert into all-stars. (Lance Stephenson was a close snub)
* Coached 2014 all star game.

Do not disappoint me. ‪#‎frankvogel‬ ‪#‎gonygonygo‬ ‪#‎nyknicks‬ ‪#‎triangle‬

Nice. The not a former NBA player + video assistant credentials + his youth jumps out at me. Makes me think that Vogel/Jackson could be a nice Sith Lord Rule of Two a la Spoelstra/Riley.

But there is no evidence of this. I mean they overachieved the last 2 yrs. Not really sign if lack of accountablity.

Bird making stuff up to justify himself?

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

technomaster wrote:Alright, Knicks - our next head coach is now available, go get him.

Highlights:
Frank Vogel has a winning record as a Head coach. Led Pacers to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years, including two trips to the conference finals. They were knocked out 3 of those times by the big 3 Miami Heat teams. (2 of those went on to win the title) Given the sheer talent of the opponent, we can't hold it against him - on the 3rd go-around, the Pacers pushed a game 7.
* Led top-10 defensive teams each year.
* Never played in the NBA - made his mark as an advance scout and video assistant.
* Worked with Rick Pitino at Kentucky.
* Hired Brian Shaw (Phil/triangle disciple) as his lead assistant when he got the Pacer job.
* Advance Scout with the Lakers while Phil was winning championships there.
* Helped develop young Paul George and Roy Hibbert into all-stars. (Lance Stephenson was a close snub)
* Coached 2014 all star game.

Do not disappoint me. ‪#‎frankvogel‬ ‪#‎gonygonygo‬ ‪#‎nyknicks‬ ‪#‎triangle‬

well done

+1

This is really a layup hire for us. I would really want to know what is wrong with this guy that he's not the next HC. Blatt had some personality issues, and who knows how he interviewed and what Phil really thinks. But man, doesn't Vogel sound a lot like what he described as the reasoning behind the Fisher hire? Only with a proven NBA track record? I mean if he gets a monster deal with a FO role with the Kings thems the breaks. An org like that can offer Vogel a level of control the Knicks can not. However if he doesn't land something like that and its just regular HC gig for 5/$30mm ish (about the going rate) I would really love to know why we didn't hire this guy.

In all seriousness, I have a feeling Phil hearing about Vogel's potential being let go earlier in the week is tied to Phil going off to Montana to think it out. No one in the league knew his contract was up until the past few weeks.

This would be a slam dunk hire. He has the grittiness I loved about JVG and Thibs, but is more open to the Triangle and has some history with Phil.

I really really hope it happens. And I'll not to be too much of a cry baby if it doesn't.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Hahn supposedly reported that Bird fired him due to not holding players accountable and the PG didn't like him.

But there is no evidence of this. I mean they overachieved the last 2 yrs. Not really sign if lack of accountablity.

Bird making stuff up to justify himself?

Could be Hahn getting the MSG company line out there early in the game. He did something similar with Thibs if I remember. Remember, Dolan signs Hahn's checks.

Bird wanted PG13 to play power forward... I don't think PG13 wanted to play power forward. Though I know there were complaints about the offense in Indy... after Shaw left.

Maybe, Hahn isn't a total shill but him being Dolan's mouthpiece is relatively true

Finestrg wrote:I want Solomon Hill in FA.

Lol ... I love these injections

Finestrg wrote:I want Solomon Hill in FA. I think hiring Vogel helps us get Hill. Also think Vogel is one hell of a head coach. Getting both would be a real score. Win-win all the way. I hope they explore both possibilities.

Both Hill and Stephenson would be interesting FA targets if Vogel is tapped.