Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

google and pick any article there are a million of them.

brilliant take though lowballed does not necessarily mean what we offered him vs. what he got, no? How about what we offered him vs. what fisher got? We obviously have to pay more to get our guy to come here.

And, it was also widely reported that he wanted a longer deal but you guys can go find your own links lol.

Genius!!

I know ... phil is slow and meticulous like we see now and of course that is what makes him so great and that is what got him his initial top coach.

He offers him 5 x 25 out of the gate with a deadline that was before GS was ready to be in play, you don't think it gets done?

Kerr agreed. Your logic is bad. You're frustrated but blaming the wrong dude. I can't help you. You need a shrink to deal with your emotions

if kerr agreed then why is he not here? Do you really need a puppet show?

fishmike wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Vmart wrote:Haven't you guys figured it out yet. Phil's fist choices get swept up by better teams or teams in better position to do well faster. Phil probably is think I'm not announcing anyone or anything because if he does 1-2 teams quickly intervene and swoop in and take Phil's candidate. Put it this way coaches are using the Knicks to get better places and more money.

My theory is let Phil have his guy Rambis he is good when talent is there. Give him a chance besides the Knicks won't be very good next year with who ever is coaching them. Phil probably knows this already. The problem here is the papers don't get rejected by FAs and fans think they are the best at everything and they are not the one to get rejected by FAs. Phil has inherited this poor situation. You don't think Phil wanted this years pick?

Blatt, Thibs or Vogel won't change this situation. I'm convinced of it. Without Talent your just foolin' around.

So we haven't even had free agency or the draft yet and you've already determined that we won't be any good next year?? How could that be??

battered knick fan syndrome

I'm living in the moment. You guys have you crystal ball and are having visions of grandeur. As of now the Knicks will pretty much suck next year. You guys acting like well looky here mister we haven't had this and that. when has free agency yielded the Knicks a big time player. They don't even have a draft pick.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

I suspect your google function is selective:

"A quick note on that contract: It is not quite as generous as has been widely reported. Although it could be worth $25 million over five years, the deal includes a number of team options, as well as potential bonuses, according to a league source. Fisher's first-year salary is closer to $4 million."

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/6/11/5800106/derek-fishers-contract-isnt-as-huge-as-we-were-told-and-other-links

Blasphemy! Derek Fisher got less than what was offered to Kerr per year! preposterous.

Continue to blame Phil if you want when Kerr reneged on a deal. Speaks volumes

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

google and pick any article there are a million of them.

brilliant take though lowballed does not necessarily mean what we offered him vs. what he got, no? How about what we offered him vs. what fisher got? We obviously have to pay more to get our guy to come here.

And, it was also widely reported that he wanted a longer deal but you guys can go find your own links lol.

Genius!!

I know ... phil is slow and meticulous like we see now and of course that is what makes him so great and that is what got him his initial top coach.

He offers him 5 x 25 out of the gate with a deadline that was before GS was ready to be in play, you don't think it gets done?

Kerr agreed. Your logic is bad. You're frustrated but blaming the wrong dude. I can't help you. You need a shrink to deal with your emotions

if kerr agreed then why is he not here? Do you really need a puppet show?

because he reneged. he had a verbal agreement. not enforceable (statute of frauds etc.) Blame Phil if it makes you feel better

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

Yea.... no.

A quick note on that contract: It is not quite as generous as has been widely reported. Although it could be worth $25 million over five years, the deal includes a number of team options, as well as potential bonuses, according to a league source. Fisher's first-year salary is closer to $4 million.

[Windhorst] Guaranteed portion of Derek Fisher's contract is 4 years and $17 million,

So stats...
3 x 13 = 4.3mm
4 x 17 = 4.25mm

Fisher's contract had less guaranteed money. Carry on... no need to let accuracy ruin a good point

For someone who touts google and "go look it up" your research is lacking

wow you're so excited that you get to win an argument :-)

Did not know about the team option so I feel better about fisher not stealing more money from all of us.

You don't think fisher was lowballed? If Phil can do it all over again, do you think he does it differently? Maybe phil should learn how to jump on things just sometimes?

if only you were gm and "jumping on" things we'd all be such happier fans. we'd have some unnamed coach, with some unnamed FAs all of whom were put off by Phil because he wasn't jumpy enough.

I'm just curious, who is in the jumpy camp, Popovich/Buford or is it more like prokohorov/king?

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

I suspect your google function is selective:

"A quick note on that contract: It is not quite as generous as has been widely reported. Although it could be worth $25 million over five years, the deal includes a number of team options, as well as potential bonuses, according to a league source. Fisher's first-year salary is closer to $4 million."

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/6/11/5800106/derek-fishers-contract-isnt-as-huge-as-we-were-told-and-other-links

Blasphemy! Derek Fisher got less than what was offered to Kerr per year! preposterous.

Continue to blame Phil if you want when Kerr reneged on a deal. Speaks volumes

who cares what kerr did and if he is also a dik?

Do you think that phil would do the same thing if he had a retry?

if the guy is trying to squeeze every nickel out of a contract, i would hope that Phil would walk away no matter who it is.

do i think phil wanted kerr and still does, of course. i honestly think he and kerr had a heart to heart talk and kerr said sorry but i want to be on the west coast, and phil said he was disappointed but wished him well. he can't force the guy to coach here.

having said that, i'd like to think that phil uses stuff like that for motivation (NOT vengeance)and that he's trying to make the franchise a desired destination for coaches and players

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

Yea.... no.

A quick note on that contract: It is not quite as generous as has been widely reported. Although it could be worth $25 million over five years, the deal includes a number of team options, as well as potential bonuses, according to a league source. Fisher's first-year salary is closer to $4 million.

[Windhorst] Guaranteed portion of Derek Fisher's contract is 4 years and $17 million,

So stats...
3 x 13 = 4.3mm
4 x 17 = 4.25mm

Fisher's contract had less guaranteed money. Carry on... no need to let accuracy ruin a good point

For someone who touts google and "go look it up" your research is lacking

wow you're so excited that you get to win an argument :-)

Did not know about the team option so I feel better about fisher not stealing more money from all of us.

You don't think fisher was lowballed? If Phil can do it all over again, do you think he does it differently? Maybe phil should learn how to jump on things just sometimes?

if only you were gm and "jumping on" things we'd all be such happier fans. we'd have some unnamed coach, with some unnamed FAs all of whom were put off by Phil because he wasn't jumpy enough.

I'm just curious, who is in the jumpy camp, Popovich/Buford or is it more like prokohorov/king?

way to answer the question son.

are you trying to be ironic?

no. just truculent.

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

Yea.... no.

A quick note on that contract: It is not quite as generous as has been widely reported. Although it could be worth $25 million over five years, the deal includes a number of team options, as well as potential bonuses, according to a league source. Fisher's first-year salary is closer to $4 million.

[Windhorst] Guaranteed portion of Derek Fisher's contract is 4 years and $17 million,

So stats...
3 x 13 = 4.3mm
4 x 17 = 4.25mm

Fisher's contract had less guaranteed money. Carry on... no need to let accuracy ruin a good point

For someone who touts google and "go look it up" your research is lacking

wow you're so excited that you get to win an argument :-)

Did not know about the team option so I feel better about fisher not stealing more money from all of us.

You don't think fisher was lowballed? If Phil can do it all over again, do you think he does it differently? Maybe phil should learn how to jump on things just sometimes?

if only you were gm and "jumping on" things we'd all be such happier fans. we'd have some unnamed coach, with some unnamed FAs all of whom were put off by Phil because he wasn't jumpy enough.

I'm just curious, who is in the jumpy camp, Popovich/Buford or is it more like prokohorov/king?

No one on the Knicks will give a quote for an interview. Rambis has refused multiple requests per Begley/ESPN.

No one thinks this is a little weird?