yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:wonder how phil will feel about this recent Vogel quote:

“I’ve had to unlearn a lot of what I’ve believed in with offensive spacing because of the way the league plays today,” Vogel said. “That’s a challenge on the defensive end as well.

I don't think he will think about it for a single second.

It's as if people think Phil has never seen this stuff before. Yes more teams are playing a spread style now but he's had to deal with when he was coaching. He's got eyes and can watch all the same games we can.

He wasn't in hibernation the few years he was out of the NBA. Phil was out for THREE SEASONS!!! Not 4, 5 or 6! He missed the 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 season which he signed with NY in March of 2014! How out of touch could he get in just 3 seasons? Not to mention he was active and following the game during that time. Helping teams and almost went back to the Lakers!

and not every old dog is willing to make ALL the appropriate changes needed to (continuously) adjust to the modern world.

AGAIN, Phil wasn't out of the loop long enough for the game to have passed him by! 3 years most of which he was either helping teams or in negotiations to coach as he was with the Lakers. The man was tuned in, not out on range in Montana. What do you think escaped his notice in that short span of time?

I've gone over this before but his team's were every bit as efficient as most teams are today playing the so called Modern Ball. How was that possible running the Triangle? Do you know?

How many teams were shooting threes at the rate teams are today? Just a few years ago Roy Hibbert was the talk of the town and Woody was lamenting about how the east is big. Phil was out of the loop and you can tell by the defensive principles in stalled in the first year and what was improved on in the second year of Fisher but returned during Rambis stint. The days of two post bigs are dying out and Phil is still stuck in the past with an old mindset not utilizing the vast analytical data at his finger tips. If he did he would have never brought in AA, Seraphin, and others.

The possible problem with Phil is that he thinks he knows best and has 11 rings so why does he need to come down on someone else level? He probably figures people need to get on his level.

Do you think Phil deserves the time to put together a team that he feels is the right team for his system to go out and prove if that team can win in today's NBA?? See i feel that he clearly deserves that chance to put together a team and him only having one year to add players with the limited money he's had so far isn't giving him that chance. I give him two years so two more off seasons to build this team up the way he feels comfortable and i truly think that he can get this team to not only being a playoff team but a team that can make some noise in the playoffs.

newyorker4ever wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:wonder how phil will feel about this recent Vogel quote:

“I’ve had to unlearn a lot of what I’ve believed in with offensive spacing because of the way the league plays today,” Vogel said. “That’s a challenge on the defensive end as well.

I don't think he will think about it for a single second.

It's as if people think Phil has never seen this stuff before. Yes more teams are playing a spread style now but he's had to deal with when he was coaching. He's got eyes and can watch all the same games we can.

He wasn't in hibernation the few years he was out of the NBA. Phil was out for THREE SEASONS!!! Not 4, 5 or 6! He missed the 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 season which he signed with NY in March of 2014! How out of touch could he get in just 3 seasons? Not to mention he was active and following the game during that time. Helping teams and almost went back to the Lakers!

and not every old dog is willing to make ALL the appropriate changes needed to (continuously) adjust to the modern world.

AGAIN, Phil wasn't out of the loop long enough for the game to have passed him by! 3 years most of which he was either helping teams or in negotiations to coach as he was with the Lakers. The man was tuned in, not out on range in Montana. What do you think escaped his notice in that short span of time?

I've gone over this before but his team's were every bit as efficient as most teams are today playing the so called Modern Ball. How was that possible running the Triangle? Do you know?

How many teams were shooting threes at the rate teams are today? Just a few years ago Roy Hibbert was the talk of the town and Woody was lamenting about how the east is big. Phil was out of the loop and you can tell by the defensive principles in stalled in the first year and what was improved on in the second year of Fisher but returned during Rambis stint. The days of two post bigs are dying out and Phil is still stuck in the past with an old mindset not utilizing the vast analytical data at his finger tips. If he did he would have never brought in AA, Seraphin, and others.

The possible problem with Phil is that he thinks he knows best and has 11 rings so why does he need to come down on someone else level? He probably figures people need to get on his level.

Do you think Phil deserves the time to put together a team that he feels is the right team for his system to go out and prove if that team can win in today's NBA?? See i feel that he clearly deserves that chance to put together a team and him only having one year to add players with the limited money he's had so far isn't giving him that chance. I give him two years so two more off seasons to build this team up the way he feels comfortable and i truly think that he can get this team to not only being a playoff team but a team that can make some noise in the playoffs.

I'm ok with this as long at it ain't with Rambis. A guy like Vogel would do wonders standing up to Phil and representing other ways of thinking.

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:I like the idea of Blatt or Vogel as they are proven on the court guys with good motivational skills.
Rambis might be a good X/O guy.
Phil with his zen, books and mind Phuch is a proven leader. He can do much of this and not be on the side line. He can do it in practice and some one on one with players.
Be good if he traveled a bit with the team, and maybe he has more than we think. We don't know other than if they show him sitting in the stands if he is in the house. Do all Gm's/Presidents travel with the team for every game?

Do all GM's limit themselves to 1 system and only 3 stupid nephews that can coach it?

lol...you know how long it's going to take phil to find that triangle roster...most of us will be in nursing homes pushing a 100 yrs old

crzymdups wrote:

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WOW! That was very interesting. I had no idea about any of that discord with Bird and Vogel over the years. Thanks for posting this article.

It could be this is the perfect spot for Vogel. We already have an offensive system that is closer to what he seems to want to run. We've got bigs and could use his emphasis on defense. Might be a good marriage.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

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https://twitter.com/Bulls_Jay/status/727879154385879040

that article is a good read. So you get Frank to run the team and Rambo to be his triangle homer

That quote from Bird about not wanted Vogel to miss out on jobs sure is telling.

Yep. Agreed. I'd be okay with Rambis and maybe even Shaw helping implement the Triangle offense. Vogel is the guy I'd want managing the game, the rotation, the defense though.

I'll cross my fingers, but won't hold my breath.

Rambis either in a more limited role or perhaps in an office job or player development or something