mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Phil just said that he's been contacted by agents saying they have players that want to come play with KP and i don't think Phil would be lying about that.

I would not say lying either ... stretching is a better word. All that stuff is just bs conjecture.

if you polled the league I think that we would see that we not attractive.

Not attractive to some but attractive to others and we'll be even more attractive next off season as the team gets built.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Phil just said that he's been contacted by agents saying they have players that want to come play with KP and i don't think Phil would be lying about that.

I would not say lying either ... stretching is a better word. All that stuff is just bs conjecture.

if you polled the league I think that we would see that we not attractive.

Yes, that's a good way of putting it. Stretching or spinning would be better words.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Phil just said that he's been contacted by agents saying they have players that want to come play with KP and i don't think Phil would be lying about that.

I would not say lying either ... stretching is a better word. All that stuff is just bs conjecture.

if you polled the league I think that we would see that we not attractive.

Yes, that's a good way of putting it. Stretching or spinning would be better words.

That's only your opinion with no way of proving it to be correct.

you can't prove that we would win out on a FA either especially since we have not won out on any in the last many years.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Phil just said that he's been contacted by agents saying they have players that want to come play with KP and i don't think Phil would be lying about that.

I would not say lying either ... stretching is a better word. All that stuff is just bs conjecture.

if you polled the league I think that we would see that we not attractive.

Yes, that's a good way of putting it. Stretching or spinning would be better words.

That's only your opinion with no way of proving it to be correct.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Why is it hard to believe players would want to play with KP??? Sounds reasonable to me. Kid rebounds and protects the rim which makes life easier for any guard. They can see the potential.

because he is still young and a bit unproven and not a facilitator.

and KP belongs to a .400 team. I'm sure people would want to play with KP - in a game of 2 on 2 or if he were on a good team.

You guys do realize that we're talking about FA Guards right! A guard is concerned with who the bigs are since they're the ones that will make them look good. Passing to KP, MELO and RoLo is good for any guard. Having KP and RoLo behind them is good for any guard!!! You guys are being blind if you can't see how Phil would use that in his pitch to FA's. You think guards don't know we lose because our guards aren't good enough and not because of our bigs?

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Why is it hard to believe players would want to play with KP??? Sounds reasonable to me. Kid rebounds and protects the rim which makes life easier for any guard. They can see the potential.

because he is still young and a bit unproven and not a facilitator.

and KP belongs to a .400 team. I'm sure people would want to play with KP - in a game of 2 on 2 or if he were on a good team.

You guys do realize that we're talking about FA Guards right! A guard is concerned with who the bigs are since they're the ones that will make them look good. Passing to KP, MELO and RoLo is good for any guard. Having KP and RoLo behind them is good for any guard!!! You guys are being blind if you can't see how Phil would use that in his pitch to FA's. You think guards don't know we lose because our guards aren't good enough and not because of our bigs?

the blind one is the one who thinks that Jackson and the knicks are a good attraction. If we offer Bazemore 25 pct more than another team then we may get him. If we sign S Curry to big bucks because our front office thinks like briggs then we probably get him. If we max out Batum, MiniMelo or Conley then we probably get them.

Phil is not getting a good FA to take equal (and def not less) money to come to NY.

Why is this so important to you? Players are going to get paid and overpaid this summer. The league is awash in money. At this point all that matters is getting the right guys. I'll worry about how much we pay guys after we sign quality players for the starting lineup. We did well last summer in terms of contracts. It could happen again or maybe Phil goes higher to secure the player we need. Why is this such a big deal?

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Why is it hard to believe players would want to play with KP??? Sounds reasonable to me. Kid rebounds and protects the rim which makes life easier for any guard. They can see the potential.

because he is still young and a bit unproven and not a facilitator.

and KP belongs to a .400 team. I'm sure people would want to play with KP - in a game of 2 on 2 or if he were on a good team.

You guys do realize that we're talking about FA Guards right! A guard is concerned with who the bigs are since they're the ones that will make them look good. Passing to KP, MELO and RoLo is good for any guard. Having KP and RoLo behind them is good for any guard!!! You guys are being blind if you can't see how Phil would use that in his pitch to FA's. You think guards don't know we lose because our guards aren't good enough and not because of our bigs?

the blind one is the one who thinks that Jackson and the knicks are a good attraction. If we offer Bazemore 25 pct more than another team then we may get him. If we sign S Curry to big bucks because our front office thinks like briggs then we probably get him. If we max out Batum, MiniMelo or Conley then we probably get them.

Phil is not getting a good FA to take equal (and def not less) money to come to NY.

Why is this so important to you? Players are going to get paid and overpaid this summer. The league is awash in money. At this point all that matters is getting the right guys. I'll worry about how much we pay guys after we sign quality players for the starting lineup. We did well last summer in terms of contracts. It could happen again or maybe Phil goes higher to secure the player we need. Why is this such a big deal?

you are ok with wasting money and paying players well above market? Have we not learned our lesson about how damaging that can be?

I want to pay smartly not stupidly and pay a high tax because we run an offense that is not that attractive and because we are a slimy chaotic group that the cast of Jersey Shore with a coach who looks dumber than dumb.

Phil was fairly thrifty with the cap last summer and if he pays a little more it's not likely to damage us. It would probably only happen with one FA. It won't kill the team to pay more for the right FA. That's not gonna put us in the Tax. You're having to exaggerate isn't helping your case. It's making you sound unreasonable in your complaints.

"Slimy chaotic group"? These kind of comments are why I don't understand you. This just sounds out of touch with reality. You're putting past crap on this current regime. Phil is honestly trying to improve this franchise.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Why is it hard to believe players would want to play with KP??? Sounds reasonable to me. Kid rebounds and protects the rim which makes life easier for any guard. They can see the potential.

because he is still young and a bit unproven and not a facilitator.

and KP belongs to a .400 team. I'm sure people would want to play with KP - in a game of 2 on 2 or if he were on a good team.

You guys do realize that we're talking about FA Guards right! A guard is concerned with who the bigs are since they're the ones that will make them look good. Passing to KP, MELO and RoLo is good for any guard. Having KP and RoLo behind them is good for any guard!!! You guys are being blind if you can't see how Phil would use that in his pitch to FA's. You think guards don't know we lose because our guards aren't good enough and not because of our bigs?

the blind one is the one who thinks that Jackson and the knicks are a good attraction. If we offer Bazemore 25 pct more than another team then we may get him. If we sign S Curry to big bucks because our front office thinks like briggs then we probably get him. If we max out Batum, MiniMelo or Conley then we probably get them.

Phil is not getting a good FA to take equal (and def not less) money to come to NY.

Why is this so important to you? Players are going to get paid and overpaid this summer. The league is awash in money. At this point all that matters is getting the right guys. I'll worry about how much we pay guys after we sign quality players for the starting lineup. We did well last summer in terms of contracts. It could happen again or maybe Phil goes higher to secure the player we need. Why is this such a big deal?

you are ok with wasting money and paying players well above market? Have we not learned our lesson about how damaging that can be?

I want to pay smartly not stupidly and pay a high tax because we run an offense that is not that attractive and because we are a slimy chaotic group that the cast of Jersey Shore with a coach who looks dumber than dumb.

Phil was fairly thrifty with the cap last summer and if he pays a little more it's not likely to damage us. It would probably only happen with one FA. It won't kill the team to pay more for the right FA. That's not gonna put us in the Tax. You're having to exaggerate isn't helping your case. It's making you sound unreasonable in your complaints.

"Slimy chaotic group"? These kind of comments are why I don't understand you. This just sounds out of touch with reality. You're putting past crap on this current regime. Phil is honestly trying to improve this franchise.

dolan is slimy and everything here is chaotic. The fisher situation was slimy and chaotic too.

phil's regime is not over yet. He still has time to reverse course and build a good team.

So far it has not been a good look at all for him. There is only so many times you can hit the reset button and it won't help if you are stuck with your cobol bufoon for a coach.

Why bring Dolan into this at this time? Not everything is chaotic. This is an exaggeration of what's going on. When the coach is chosen that's done and conjecture will be over as to who. If it's Rambis there's no question about what he'll do. I suspect we'll learn a lot from the other names in Phil's coaching search.

You've gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. Rebuilding a team isn't easy and they just completed year one of the actual rebuild. Why the panic after the 1st season with the new roster? Some things were learned and we have FEWER HOLES TO FILL! That is called progress.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Why is it hard to believe players would want to play with KP??? Sounds reasonable to me. Kid rebounds and protects the rim which makes life easier for any guard. They can see the potential.

because he is still young and a bit unproven and not a facilitator.

and KP belongs to a .400 team. I'm sure people would want to play with KP - in a game of 2 on 2 or if he were on a good team.

You guys do realize that we're talking about FA Guards right! A guard is concerned with who the bigs are since they're the ones that will make them look good. Passing to KP, MELO and RoLo is good for any guard. Having KP and RoLo behind them is good for any guard!!! You guys are being blind if you can't see how Phil would use that in his pitch to FA's. You think guards don't know we lose because our guards aren't good enough and not because of our bigs?

the blind one is the one who thinks that Jackson and the knicks are a good attraction. If we offer Bazemore 25 pct more than another team then we may get him. If we sign S Curry to big bucks because our front office thinks like briggs then we probably get him. If we max out Batum, MiniMelo or Conley then we probably get them.

Phil is not getting a good FA to take equal (and def not less) money to come to NY.

Why is this so important to you? Players are going to get paid and overpaid this summer. The league is awash in money. At this point all that matters is getting the right guys. I'll worry about how much we pay guys after we sign quality players for the starting lineup. We did well last summer in terms of contracts. It could happen again or maybe Phil goes higher to secure the player we need. Why is this such a big deal?

you are ok with wasting money and paying players well above market? Have we not learned our lesson about how damaging that can be?

I want to pay smartly not stupidly and pay a high tax because we run an offense that is not that attractive and because we are a slimy chaotic group that the cast of Jersey Shore with a coach who looks dumber than dumb.

Phil was fairly thrifty with the cap last summer and if he pays a little more it's not likely to damage us. It would probably only happen with one FA. It won't kill the team to pay more for the right FA. That's not gonna put us in the Tax. You're having to exaggerate isn't helping your case. It's making you sound unreasonable in your complaints.

"Slimy chaotic group"? These kind of comments are why I don't understand you. This just sounds out of touch with reality. You're putting past crap on this current regime. Phil is honestly trying to improve this franchise.

dolan is slimy and everything here is chaotic. The fisher situation was slimy and chaotic too.

phil's regime is not over yet. He still has time to reverse course and build a good team.

So far it has not been a good look at all for him. There is only so many times you can hit the reset button and it won't help if you are stuck with your cobol bufoon for a coach.

Why bring Dolan into this at this time? Not everything is chaotic. This is an exaggeration of what's going on. When the coach is chosen that's done and conjecture will be over as to who. If it's Rambis there's no question about what he'll do. I suspect we'll learn a lot from the other names in Phil's coaching search.

You've gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. Rebuilding a team isn't easy and they just completed year one of the actual rebuild. Why the panic after the 1st season with the new roster? Some things were learned and we have FEWER HOLES TO FILL! That is called progress.

year one? more like 2 and a half.

you and some of the other die hards maybe the only ones who see this regime as anything other than a failure thus far.

When you're still under construction how is it a failure? Was this supposed to be an instant Title Team? I fail to see why you're being so impatient given the facts of what Phil has done. Year one Phil finshes the taredown of the old roster. Last summer he brings in 8 new players and only MELO remains of the original roster he inherited!!! That's a rebuild after the 2014-15, 17-65 season. The 2015-16, 32-50 season was year one of the rebuilt roster and we now have fewer holes to fill. That's real progress by any metric. So what is your real case given those facts?