nixluva wrote:I actually agree with Phil that part of the problem in NY is the Press. Too many of these guys write with a very nasty and sarcastic take. They nearly completely ignore any positives that have gone on this year. They make up crap all the time that ends up proved not to be true. So many rumors. Constant ripping Phil any chance they get.
Have you guys ever read the papers or watched the opponent broadcasts? These other cities are admittedly very Homeristic, but our press is the complete opposite. They're practically anti Knicks in nature. Isola is the leader of the pack in that regard. Just go read his Twitter feed and go back and see how it reads.

This negativity leads to problems in going after Free Agents. It's a real factor.

I agree 100% and have been saying this for a while. Why would any player wanna put themselves in a place that the media will find any little thing bad and make a huge bad thing and put it all over the internet and papers??

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newyorker4ever wrote:

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newyorker4ever wrote:

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knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Going to be hard to get 3 legit guards with no draft picks

i still dont know what the hell they were thinking with the bargnani trade. Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him for nothing even taking back a bad contract and we give them a unprotected lottery pick. Only the knicks

If Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him then there's no way in hellz that anyone (even James Dolan) would offer up a 1st round pick for him so that's obviously not true.

maybe but from what it seemed nobody was offering much for him. We all know the knicks areknown for bad trades and im sure other teams know that as well. Luckily i think those days are over and we will keep our picks from now on

And just exactly how is that you would know what any team is offering for any player since that's not something that gets leaked??

The value was still horrible regardless. A first round pick shouldn't have been included. But to also allow it to be unprotected is insane.

fishmike wrote:big off season for Phil. Im good with what he's done. He purged, drafted a kid with HOF potential who loves the game and the city, added Lopez a really nice building block. Im high on Grant and Willy and now it really comes down to this offseason. I think he really needs to come away with a big piece. I get Derozan probably isn't happening but they really need that caliber guy. Im not the biggest Conley fan but he surely does move the needle a ton and is a very nice asset if he's injury free. Jennings/Rondo moves wreak of panic to me. Batum would be good and a nice 2/3 for when Melo moves to 4 and KP is 5.

I think he's set up things nicely, but he's gotta land a big fish somehow. We aren't at a point where we can fill the roster with nice skilled guys like Evan Turner. We need another impact player. Melo still fills out the stat sheet but that well is going to dry. KP wants to carry the load and you love that but he's not ready. We need that 3rd big gun. If we got Connley I could actually see him next to Sasha really nicely. Grant is a nice scorer and defender and might help us even more with a vet like Conley next to him. There is a big ripple effect when you add a quality player like that.

We all want that big name but we need to be realistic about this and realize that there's only a few big names out there this year and those few will most likely all re-sign with their teams they're on now so just how can we expect to get one of those big names?

K.Durant--either staying with OKC or is going to a team that's ready to win immediately which puts us out.
D.Wade-- we all know he isn't leaving Miami
P.Gasol--i could see him maybe coming but he's only got maybe two years left and will also want to be on a team that's ready now.
D.Howard--no thanks and we don't need a center anyway
B.Beal--the guy stays hurt and will most likely stay with Wash.
M.Conley--will be real hard to get him to leave Memphis where he loves playing with M.Gasol
N.Batum--had some really strong words about how he loves playing in Charlotte and talked about how they're all under 27 and will be good for a long time
D.Derozan--loves Toronto and loves playing with Lowry
A.Horford--we don't need a PF/C with the money we have
Those are the big names out there besides RFA's who are just too hard to get and you'll have to overpay to get them so guys like E.Turner and R.Rondo are the only reasonable type of players we can really get and we don't need front court help like we need back court help so i think while we all would love to get a big name we need to open our eyes and see what's really out there for us to get. Conley is the only player on that list that i think we have a chance at and that's a needed position for us and i think he's a small chance.

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Going to be hard to get 3 legit guards with no draft picks

i still dont know what the hell they were thinking with the bargnani trade. Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him for nothing even taking back a bad contract and we give them a unprotected lottery pick. Only the knicks

If Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him then there's no way in hellz that anyone (even James Dolan) would offer up a 1st round pick for him so that's obviously not true.

maybe but from what it seemed nobody was offering much for him. We all know the knicks areknown for bad trades and im sure other teams know that as well. Luckily i think those days are over and we will keep our picks from now on

And just exactly how is that you would know what any team is offering for any player since that's not something that gets leaked??

The value was still horrible regardless. A first round pick shouldn't have been included. But to also allow it to be unprotected is insane.

Whoa there, i never said it wasn't an absolutely horrible trade because it obviously was but to say Toronto was trying to give him away for nothing and the Knicks jumped in and said don't worry about giving him to us for nothing and here's a 1st round pick is ridiculous and false but it was absolutely one of the worst trades we've ever made and we've made plenty.

my main point was it was just a terrible trade and we have had a history of throwing away first round picks for crap

Right but that was so far in the past and one of the best things Phil has shown so far is that he isn't gonna give away our draft picks like our past GM's have done. Around the trade deadline it was said that teams we talked to wanted our future picks and or W.Hermangomez in any trade and Phil held his ground and didn't trade away any draft picks or young assets which must of been hard cause i'm sure he was trying hard to improve this team around the deadline. The Bargs trade is over and should be put aside and never talked about again.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I thought the most interesting comments were about how the team played with Melo out. He acknowledged they were 0-10 but he also said they played some of their best games and should have won at least 4 of them. Credited the ball movement particularly.

Melo out - better ball movement. I know he had a better year passing but that comment makes me think its still not enough. From what I saw the end of game stuff was the same and that was ISO ball.

The context was more about him defending the roster he created around Melo. Wasn't really about claiming Melo was killing the ball movement. Though um sure Phil would always want Melo to move the ball more.

newyorknewyork wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I thought the most interesting comments were about how the team played with Melo out. He acknowledged they were 0-10 but he also said they played some of their best games and should have won at least 4 of them. Credited the ball movement particularly.

Melo out - better ball movement. I know he had a better year passing but that comment makes me think its still not enough. From what I saw the end of game stuff was the same and that was ISO ball.

The context was more about him defending the roster he created around Melo. Wasn't really about claiming Melo was killing the ball movement. Though um sure Phil would always want Melo to move the ball more.

I watched the video, he does not say anything without purpose. He made a point to slip in ball movement. It was obvious to me.

For the record, I am not trying to bash Melo. I think he was better this year and showed he can be a good passer and fit in. I just found PJ's comment interesting.

The end of game plays are still awful for an NBA team.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I thought the most interesting comments were about how the team played with Melo out. He acknowledged they were 0-10 but he also said they played some of their best games and should have won at least 4 of them. Credited the ball movement particularly.

Melo out - better ball movement. I know he had a better year passing but that comment makes me think its still not enough. From what I saw the end of game stuff was the same and that was ISO ball.

The context was more about him defending the roster he created around Melo. Wasn't really about claiming Melo was killing the ball movement. Though um sure Phil would always want Melo to move the ball more.

I watched the video, he does not say anything without purpose. He made a point to slip in ball movement. It was obvious to me.

For the record, I am not trying to bash Melo. I think he was better this year and showed he can be a good passer and fit in. I just found PJ's comment interesting.

The end of game plays are still awful for an NBA team.

Just another instance where Phil is aure to push that his system is more of a factor than any singular player. I am sure he is sensitive to idea that MJ, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq were real reasons for his success and not his precious system.

He's tuning out and infuriating the yahoos who want "names" and expect results right away. Good!

HofstraBBall wrote:Phil's Ego and lack of flexibility will create many issues going forward. Most of all, discouraging free agents that may shy away from the system and his rigidness. Think his main reason for taking this job was the golden parachuted given to him by Dolan. An endless supply of money he now feels his buddy Kurt should have a piece of.

However, logically, you can't expect anything else but Kurt. Once you give a guy full control for 5 years, with a famous life long philosophy and system, what else would he be committed to? So Ttiangle guy it is..Kurt. Phils ego requires a guy who follows his every word and checks in every chance he gets..Kurt. Phils legacy is taking a hit with all the losing. Prompting Phil to want more control. Who is he closest to him that can help him have a bigger role..Kurt. Yes....I wanted Thibs but no chance of that. Kurt will be next year's coach. However, hoping logic loses out and the 1 percenters sneak in. (Brooks,MJ)

Don't try to do this Media BS Job that somehow it's time for Phil to abandon his plan in pursuit of some magic bullet after just 2 years. Phil really has just gotten started. This isn't an instant Title Team scenario like adding KG, Allen or Bosh and Lebron. Those kinds of players aren't likely to be coming.

2014-15 17-65: Quickly turned into a teardown project. In the end it's like Year Zero. He cleared out players he didn't want and got some players he felt were better for the team.

Draft Picks:
June 26, 2014: Selected Cleanthony Early (2nd round, 34th pick) and Thanasis Antetokounmpo (2nd round, 51st pick) in the 2014 NBA Draft.
June 27, 2014: Traded cash to the Indiana Pacers for Louis Labeyrie.

June 25, 2015: Selected Kristaps Porzingis (1st round, 4th pick) in the 2015 NBA Draft.
June 25, 2015: As part of a 3-team trade, the New York Knicks traded Tim Hardaway, Jr. to the Atlanta Hawks; the Atlanta Hawks traded Jerian Grant to the New York Knicks (Jerian Grant was later selected).
June 25, 2015: Traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick and a 2021 2nd round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers for a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected).

2015-16 32-50: Phil brought in 8 new players. It wasn't as successful as hoped for, but Phil did learn what he needed to know about the players he had on the roster. It's crystal clear what we need and who can be depended on. That has value in this rebuild. The task of filling the remaining holes in the roster is much clearer. Going into year 2 of the actual rebuild isn't time for a massive change of direction IMO.