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martin
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4/26/2016  12:37 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Based on Philly having 4 lotto picks in the last 3 yrs. They should be farther along then they are in theory. Having all those future picks gives them a ton of potential. But they need something tangible out of it and until they get that...

I literally can't make heads or tails of the future picks that Philly has. I know they got Lakers this year but it is top 3 protected, unprotected next year. What else?

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4/26/2016  12:48 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
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mreinman wrote:and now I think its confirmed that saric is coming this season to philly.

Hinkie would have traded him for a draft pick in 2020

I am sure that he would have if it was a good deal.

Because he was such a "great" gm?

no. He just made great deals. He had many shortcomings but he left philly in far better shape than we are.

I envy their picks but in reality the Sixers are in No Man's Land. They have to make some deals in order to try and salvage something from the assets they have. Embid and Okafor are somewhat diminished assets. It will be interesting to see what they do with the assets Hinkie left them with.

IMO the Knicks are closer to winning than the Sixers. It will take less to fix the Knicks situation than the Sixers.

so you can get super 30 pages high on wroten but you can get high on all those philly kids and prospect that they did not throw in the garbage?

Philly has a much better chance to compete for a ring in 5-8 years than we do. MUCH MUCH BETTER.


When Wroten was there he was their leading scorer before he got injured!!! Wroten actually brings something the team lacks and so if he can latch on he makes sense for the Knicks. That's why people get excited. Knicks will be more of a complete team if Jerian and Wroten can develop into starters. Embid and Okafor have talent, no doubt, but that team is still far from making sense. You can't just smash talent together without any logic. I suspect there will be much better decision making now in terms of team building.
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4/26/2016  2:18 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
mreinman wrote:and now I think its confirmed that saric is coming this season to philly.

Hinkie would have traded him for a draft pick in 2020

I am sure that he would have if it was a good deal.

Because he was such a "great" gm?

no. He just made great deals. He had many shortcomings but he left philly in far better shape than we are.

I envy their picks but in reality the Sixers are in No Man's Land. They have to make some deals in order to try and salvage something from the assets they have. Embid and Okafor are somewhat diminished assets. It will be interesting to see what they do with the assets Hinkie left them with.

IMO the Knicks are closer to winning than the Sixers. It will take less to fix the Knicks situation than the Sixers.

so you can get super 30 pages high on wroten but you can get high on all those philly kids and prospect that they did not throw in the garbage?

Philly has a much better chance to compete for a ring in 5-8 years than we do. MUCH MUCH BETTER.

why? So far they haven't shown the ability to do anything but trade for future picks.

For me, the linchpin is KP. You need the highest level of franchise talent to excel in playoffs. You can certainly go far without it but only the most unique teams (or situations) will go to finals without it.

Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Charlotte, Atlanta are prime examples of that for me. All of those teams can play their asses off and quite possibly make it to the Conf Finals but without that key talent, you are only built for 1 season runs and most likely only a second round playoff team.

Last year's Atlanta team started to have that feel of Larry Brown's Detroit team but are too old (Korver) and now lost a key element (DeMarre Carroll). If they could have stayed together for like 3-4 years, they could have busted through that Franchise talent gap.

because in order to really be a contender you need to be lucky enough and how countless opportunity to draft 3 top twenty players who you have on rookie contracts (starting off). So far, philly has not done well in the lotto though they did really well on MCW and what they turned him into and perhaps Saric coming over will be another guy that they score big on.

Ok4 was the pick that anyone would have taken so that is just bad luck though he can still turn out to be a really good player.

Noel does not look that good though everyone was going gaga over him last season.

Embiid may be a bust though reports are that he looks great right now.

Again, you need numerous chances so you have the best opps to not have to be stuck with finding your talent at the flea market scraps like wroten.

They have lots of pieces there and for starters, like us they need a good PG to help make it all click.

Oh ... and they also have loads of cap room to go along with they treasure chest of assets.

The only thing that the knicks have over philly is that we don't play in philly which is as undesirable place as any in the NBA. Which makes it all the more important to home grow your talent.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/26/2016  2:24 PM
martin wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Based on Philly having 4 lotto picks in the last 3 yrs. They should be farther along then they are in theory. Having all those future picks gives them a ton of potential. But they need something tangible out of it and until they get that...

I literally can't make heads or tails of the future picks that Philly has. I know they got Lakers this year but it is top 3 protected, unprotected next year. What else?

2016: Four 1st-round picks, one 2nd-round pick
Own 1st-round pick
Los Angeles Lakers 1st-round pick (top-3 protected)
Miami Heat 1st-round pick (top-10 protected)
Oklahoma City Thunder 1st-round pick (lottery-protected)
Denver Nuggets 2nd-round pick

2017: One 1st-round pick, one 2nd-round pick
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
2018: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
Brooklyn Nets or Cleveland Cavaliers 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)
Los Angeles Clippers or New York Knicks 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)

2019: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round pick
Milwaukee Bucks or Sacramento Kings 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)
2020: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
Brooklyn Nets 2nd-round draft pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round draft pick

2021: One 1st-round pick, two 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round draft pick
Other notable assets:

Future 1st-round draft pick from the Sacramento Kings (top-10 protected)
Dario Saric (2014 1st-round pick who is playing overseas)
The right two swap 1st-round picks with the Kings in two more drafts

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/26/2016  2:28 PM
mreinman wrote:because in order to really be a contender you need to be lucky enough and how countless opportunity to draft 3 top twenty players who you have on rookie contracts (starting off). So far, philly has not done well in the lotto though they did really well on MCW and what they turned him into and perhaps Saric coming over will be another guy that they score big on.

Ok4 was the pick that anyone would have taken so that is just bad luck though he can still turn out to be a really good player.

Noel does not look that good though everyone was going gaga over him last season.

Embiid may be a bust though reports are that he looks great right now.

Again, you need numerous chances so you have the best opps to not have to be stuck with finding your talent at the flea market scraps like wroten.

They have lots of pieces there and for starters, like us they need a good PG to help make it all click.

Oh ... and they also have loads of cap room to go along with they treasure chest of assets.

The only thing that the knicks have over philly is that we don't play in philly which is as undesirable place as any in the NBA. Which makes it all the more important to home grow your talent.

You're under the impression that there is only one way to build a team or run an offense and if it isn't that particular shiney object, the rest is oddly ignored or looked down upon.

The Knicks are not a complete team and there is no doubt they are far from a finished product. The Knicks have a starting quality center who is under a fantastic vet contract; I feel he is just starting to grow a part of his game that had not been taken advantage of. The Knicks have KP, a 2-way unicorn/franchise potential player. The Knicks also have an aging AllStar. They have a decent farm team.

It's downright silly to suggest that the Knicks don't have anything over Philly.

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4/26/2016  2:36 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:because in order to really be a contender you need to be lucky enough and how countless opportunity to draft 3 top twenty players who you have on rookie contracts (starting off). So far, philly has not done well in the lotto though they did really well on MCW and what they turned him into and perhaps Saric coming over will be another guy that they score big on.

Ok4 was the pick that anyone would have taken so that is just bad luck though he can still turn out to be a really good player.

Noel does not look that good though everyone was going gaga over him last season.

Embiid may be a bust though reports are that he looks great right now.

Again, you need numerous chances so you have the best opps to not have to be stuck with finding your talent at the flea market scraps like wroten.

They have lots of pieces there and for starters, like us they need a good PG to help make it all click.

Oh ... and they also have loads of cap room to go along with they treasure chest of assets.

The only thing that the knicks have over philly is that we don't play in philly which is as undesirable place as any in the NBA. Which makes it all the more important to home grow your talent.

You're under the impression that there is only one way to build a team or run an offense and if it isn't that particular shiney object, the rest is oddly ignored or looked down upon.

The Knicks are not a complete team and there is no doubt they are far from a finished product. The Knicks have a starting quality center who is under a fantastic vet contract; I feel he is just starting to grow a part of his game that had not been taken advantage of. The Knicks have KP, a 2-way unicorn/franchise potential player. The Knicks also have an aging AllStar. They have a decent farm team.

It's downright silly to suggest that the Knicks don't have anything over Philly.

where did I say that there is only one way? You can do what Miami did too but how hard is that to pull something like that off? And how many teams have a genius like riley making these moves? There is probably a main blueprint and that does not consider getting a kevin Durant to sign a max deal with your team. And even if he did, he is going into his 30's and still trying to find a way to win with Westbrook.

The knicks have a "potential" star though its just potential right now and its all on one guy.

I am a lopez fan but he is just a small add on to the 3 stars required.

Its silly to not even see how desperate knick fans are sometimes to remain positive even if it means wearing very cloudy glasses.

there are 10 guys on philly that if they were here, Nixluva and others would be going crazy over. And if we had just 20% of their potential assets then ....

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/26/2016  3:11 PM
...we'd still be spending seasons winning between 10 and 19 games and reading all about how you and Briggs ejaculate over the next shiny things coming out of the Final Four each year...


SMH...Knick fans with cloudy glasses or pseudo Knick fans wearing Hinkie/Einstein masks...

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4/26/2016  3:29 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Based on Philly having 4 lotto picks in the last 3 yrs. They should be farther along then they are in theory. Having all those future picks gives them a ton of potential. But they need something tangible out of it and until they get that...

I literally can't make heads or tails of the future picks that Philly has. I know they got Lakers this year but it is top 3 protected, unprotected next year. What else?

2016: Four 1st-round picks, one 2nd-round pick
Own 1st-round pick
Los Angeles Lakers 1st-round pick (top-3 protected)
Miami Heat 1st-round pick (top-10 protected)
Oklahoma City Thunder 1st-round pick (lottery-protected)
Denver Nuggets 2nd-round pick

2017: One 1st-round pick, one 2nd-round pick
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
2018: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
Brooklyn Nets or Cleveland Cavaliers 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)
Los Angeles Clippers or New York Knicks 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)

2019: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round pick
Milwaukee Bucks or Sacramento Kings 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)
2020: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
Brooklyn Nets 2nd-round draft pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round draft pick

2021: One 1st-round pick, two 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round draft pick
Other notable assets:

Future 1st-round draft pick from the Sacramento Kings (top-10 protected)
Dario Saric (2014 1st-round pick who is playing overseas)
The right two swap 1st-round picks with the Kings in two more drafts

So basically this year they get pick 24 and 26 in a weak draft (likely the lakers keep theirs). Whoopie! Phil landed pick 19 last year- does that make him a god?

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4/26/2016  4:00 PM
mreinman wrote:there are 10 guys on philly that if they were here, Nixluva and others would be going crazy over. And if we had just 20% of their potential assets then ....

Really??? I think there are a few decent players on Philly I like but let's not go crazy. Like I said, I envy their assets but the Knicks are closer to winning than the Sixers. 2 starting quality guards and the Knicks are much more competitive team immediately.

We didn't have one above average guard this year. If you address that area this team will make a significant jump. That's a much easier road for the Knicks than what the Sixers have to do.

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4/26/2016  5:58 PM
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Based on Philly having 4 lotto picks in the last 3 yrs. They should be farther along then they are in theory. Having all those future picks gives them a ton of potential. But they need something tangible out of it and until they get that...

I literally can't make heads or tails of the future picks that Philly has. I know they got Lakers this year but it is top 3 protected, unprotected next year. What else?

2016: Four 1st-round picks, one 2nd-round pick
Own 1st-round pick
Los Angeles Lakers 1st-round pick (top-3 protected)
Miami Heat 1st-round pick (top-10 protected)
Oklahoma City Thunder 1st-round pick (lottery-protected)
Denver Nuggets 2nd-round pick

2017: One 1st-round pick, one 2nd-round pick
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
2018: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
Brooklyn Nets or Cleveland Cavaliers 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)
Los Angeles Clippers or New York Knicks 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)

2019: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round pick
Milwaukee Bucks or Sacramento Kings 2nd-round pick (the 76ers will receive the better of the two)
2020: One 1st-round pick, three 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
Brooklyn Nets 2nd-round draft pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round draft pick

2021: One 1st-round pick, two 2nd-round picks
Own 1st-round pick
Own 2nd-round pick
New York Knicks 2nd-round draft pick
Other notable assets:

Future 1st-round draft pick from the Sacramento Kings (top-10 protected)
Dario Saric (2014 1st-round pick who is playing overseas)
The right two swap 1st-round picks with the Kings in two more drafts

So basically this year they get pick 24 and 26 in a weak draft (likely the lakers keep theirs). Whoopie! Phil landed pick 19 last year- does that make him a god?

Yea I thought they had more future first rounders coming. There is a possibility that LA drops to #4 giving Philly another top 4 pick though.

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