Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Finestrg wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I think I read the average player plays like 69 or 70 games a year. That said, for many other reasons, I wouldn't give him the max.
in a vacuum, hell no I give him that. Considering no pick, not talent, and no above average guards though I'd give him the cash in a NY minute.
That said, I would beg Washington for John Wall now that they have imploded. But I'm tired of living in pipe dream land... an overpaid Conley is the best the team can do
Oh I think 4 or 5 good role players or 2 starters would make a much better addition than 1 Conley for the same price
Good point. I happen to agree with you. Unless it's KD or DeRozan (and if I had to bet--neither one is coming here), I wouldn't even come close to maxing out anyone else in this summer's FA. What we could do however is be judicious with our cap room and like you said, target a few good role players for reasonable money that can grow into important rotation roles (for some of the guys I've got my eye on--I'm betting a few of them could really take off with expanded usage & responsibility), maintain flexibility, hopefully Melo stays at an all-star level, hopefully KP takes another step next year and then go from there. Need to be diligent and check in on KD and DeRozan but when that goes nowhere, I don't wanna see us throw all our money at "the next best thing." Instead of maxing out Batum, instead of giving Conley/Rondo whatever they want etc., be prudent with the money and turn the focus toward adding young cost-effective components that fill needs with a goal of building a lasting team where you can see progress and the young components coming together to form something good. Maybe we go about it like this for now and remain patient on 'the next big signing.'
Durant? Yes. Derozan? I think 5 good role players would add much more than he does. Derozan is having a strong contract year but for his career he's been just a volume scorer who is average in all other parts of the game. Nothing about his career performance says anything close to max dollars for me. Even this year's performance still doesn't look like max dollars though it's at least closer. Most of the advanced stats actually have his career numbers at the level of a slightly below average NBA player.
Could you extrapolate on that? I'm curious
I'm going by the ones available on Basketball Reference
WS48: .096 (.100 is average)
Per 100 offensive and defensive ratings are 107 and 110 (He gives up 3 more points than he contributes per 100 possessions)
Box plus minus: -1.2 (0 is average. -1.2 means you cost your team 1.2 more points than an average player per 100 possessions)
Average value over replacement: 0.5 per year (he contributes only a little bit more than a replacement level or basically D league player)Now, all of the numbers I just mentioned above look good for this year but still not max-worthy, and I definitely wouldn't give the max for 1 good year in a 7 year career anyway. If we don't get Durant, I think we should just look to get role players on good deals, and try to build a team that attracts legit max players in the future.
I want to agree with you... however I just don't think there are a lot of good roleplaying guards available this offseason. And we're not getting one in the draft.
This reminds me of the Knicks pursuit of Mike Bibby back when he could play (not the version that ended up in NY). The Knicks would've had to pay a lot of money for him and he was a cut below all-star... looking back they absolutely should've pursued him.
Lastly, how are we going to attract a "legit" max player without adding pieces like Conley?
