Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo should learn from CP3 he isn't playing on the Olympic team.

What does he learn? Last time Melo was on Olympic team he came out gang busters.

The only other thing I'd want Melo to do besides Olympics is accompany KP to a big man instructor week.

He learns to keep healthy. He came out gang busters how many years ago was that? Since then he has had knee injuries, shoulder injuries and other ailments. This guy isn't the spring chicken you making him out to be. He should be committed to the Knicks show commitment to the team giving him $24 million.

Guys are always playing and conditioning during the offseason. Olympics is one way to do that. And I'm guessing it's not heavy workout type stuff.

and this was only as of 2013.

4 point guards have won MVP since CP3 has been in the league - Steve Nash x 2, Derrick Rose, Steph Curry (probably another this year, too)

So like 5 of the past 11 MVPs have been PGs if you assume Curry wins this year. CP3 has never been in the discussion. Ever.

Is he even the best PG of his era?

All-time? C'mon.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The GOAT would have a better playoff record IMO. Magic/LeBron would go ahead of Paul, among others.

its a team sport though it may be a prerequisite even though it is a luck factor.

Magic had a two other HOFers as well as the best coach of all time. Of course he was still great at close to #1.

Isiah was nowhere near as good as Cp3 and his team one because of defense while he was a BAD defender. Still trying to find one skill that he was better than Cp3 at.

Its crazy how people always assume that the players they used to idolize when they were younger just have to be better.

Not in this case. Magic (in part because of his size) could affect the game in ways that the much smaller Paul couldnt. He was also a much better leader which is part of what makes a great PG a cut above the rest. Enough talent on Paul's teams over the years to have gone further than he did. Too many early exits.

I also mentioned LeBron as being a better PG, so I cited a contemporary of Paul's as well. Very like Magic with his combination, of size, court vision, and athleticism. Its a shame that he hasnt played the position more often.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://basketballbloggers.sportsblog.com/posts/3361/isiah_thomas_or_chris_paul.html

and this was only as of 2013.

they played in completely different eras - Chris Paul never had to deal with the hand check rules Isiah did. Isiah won a college championship and two NBA titles and played in three straight finals and might've won three straight if he hadn't badly sprained his ankle.

I mean, stats are cute, but maybe Chris Paul should harness some of those stats to get out of the second round for the first time in his life (he won't) before you compare him to Isiah Thomas who beat Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan in their primes.

And any statistical analysis of Chris Paul vs Isiah Thomas that says Chris Paul is a "much better" defender than Isiah Thomas needs to go right back to grade school.

ok ... for starters, cp3 is miles and miles better than Isiah defensively. No idea where you are going with that but please don't try to make them close.

And you keep talking about Isiah as if he is a tennis player. He's not. He had a great (and dirty) team. And, in many ways Dumars was better than he was (though Isiah was better than Dumars).

How come hand check rules did not stop stockton from be way more efficient?

Is it possible that in an era that stats were not tracked we only remember the flashiness and the wins?

How come Magic was so super efficient? Jordan?

And I'm not saying that Isiah was not one of the top PG's, I just think that based on the era and lack of knowledge, he is judged a bit incorrectly.

I am still waiting for an argument other than not winning a ring what Isiah is better than Cp3. Strange that there is not one.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://basketballbloggers.sportsblog.com/posts/3361/isiah_thomas_or_chris_paul.html

and this was only as of 2013.

they played in completely different eras - Chris Paul never had to deal with the hand check rules Isiah did. Isiah won a college championship and two NBA titles and played in three straight finals and might've won three straight if he hadn't badly sprained his ankle.

I mean, stats are cute, but maybe Chris Paul should harness some of those stats to get out of the second round for the first time in his life (he won't) before you compare him to Isiah Thomas who beat Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan in their primes.

And any statistical analysis of Chris Paul vs Isiah Thomas that says Chris Paul is a "much better" defender than Isiah Thomas needs to go right back to grade school.

ok ... for starters, cp3 is miles and miles better than Isiah defensively. No idea where you are going with that but please don't try to make them close.

And you keep talking about Isiah as if he is a tennis player. He's not. He had a great (and dirty) team. And, in many ways Dumars was better than he was (though Isiah was better than Dumars).

How come hand check rules did not stop stockton from be way more efficient?

Is it possible that in an era that stats were not tracked we only remember the flashiness and the wins?

How come Magic was so super efficient? Jordan?

And I'm not saying that Isiah was not one of the top PG's, I just think that based on the era and lack of knowledge, he is judged a bit incorrectly.

I am still waiting for an argument other than not winning a ring what Isiah is better than Cp3. Strange that there is not one.

Awards
1980-81 NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player
1983-84 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1985-86 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1989-90 NBA Finals MVP

/End thread

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://basketballbloggers.sportsblog.com/posts/3361/isiah_thomas_or_chris_paul.html

and this was only as of 2013.

they played in completely different eras - Chris Paul never had to deal with the hand check rules Isiah did. Isiah won a college championship and two NBA titles and played in three straight finals and might've won three straight if he hadn't badly sprained his ankle.

I mean, stats are cute, but maybe Chris Paul should harness some of those stats to get out of the second round for the first time in his life (he won't) before you compare him to Isiah Thomas who beat Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan in their primes.

And any statistical analysis of Chris Paul vs Isiah Thomas that says Chris Paul is a "much better" defender than Isiah Thomas needs to go right back to grade school.

ok ... for starters, cp3 is miles and miles better than Isiah defensively. No idea where you are going with that but please don't try to make them close.

And you keep talking about Isiah as if he is a tennis player. He's not. He had a great (and dirty) team. And, in many ways Dumars was better than he was (though Isiah was better than Dumars).

How come hand check rules did not stop stockton from be way more efficient?

Is it possible that in an era that stats were not tracked we only remember the flashiness and the wins?

How come Magic was so super efficient? Jordan?

And I'm not saying that Isiah was not one of the top PG's, I just think that based on the era and lack of knowledge, he is judged a bit incorrectly.

I am still waiting for an argument other than not winning a ring what Isiah is better than Cp3. Strange that there is not one.

Awards
1980-81 NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player
1983-84 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1985-86 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1989-90 NBA Finals MVP

/End thread

are you convinced that all of the players from your shiny youth are better than todays players?

Dude you won't even give Curry his due!

please tell me more about how well oakley would do in todays game.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://basketballbloggers.sportsblog.com/posts/3361/isiah_thomas_or_chris_paul.html

and this was only as of 2013.

they played in completely different eras - Chris Paul never had to deal with the hand check rules Isiah did. Isiah won a college championship and two NBA titles and played in three straight finals and might've won three straight if he hadn't badly sprained his ankle.

I mean, stats are cute, but maybe Chris Paul should harness some of those stats to get out of the second round for the first time in his life (he won't) before you compare him to Isiah Thomas who beat Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan in their primes.

And any statistical analysis of Chris Paul vs Isiah Thomas that says Chris Paul is a "much better" defender than Isiah Thomas needs to go right back to grade school.

ok ... for starters, cp3 is miles and miles better than Isiah defensively. No idea where you are going with that but please don't try to make them close.

And you keep talking about Isiah as if he is a tennis player. He's not. He had a great (and dirty) team. And, in many ways Dumars was better than he was (though Isiah was better than Dumars).

How come hand check rules did not stop stockton from be way more efficient?

Is it possible that in an era that stats were not tracked we only remember the flashiness and the wins?

How come Magic was so super efficient? Jordan?

And I'm not saying that Isiah was not one of the top PG's, I just think that based on the era and lack of knowledge, he is judged a bit incorrectly.

I am still waiting for an argument other than not winning a ring what Isiah is better than Cp3. Strange that there is not one.

Awards
1980-81 NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player
1983-84 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1985-86 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1989-90 NBA Finals MVP

/End thread

are you convinced that all of the players from your shiny youth are better than todays players?

Dude you won't even give Curry his due!

please tell me more about how well oakley would do in todays game.

Isiah didn't just win a ring, he was the major reason they won back to back titles.

of course he was and so were the rest of that great team and hof coach (in an era where you can just beat the sh1t out of the opponent).