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3/22/2016  4:03 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Why are people using AA as a standard? He sucks and just because another player might be better than him in other areas doesn't mean they are good? Having the best below avg players isn't much to talk about. It's like when people called AA an improvement over JR/Shump, that's not saying much.

Seriously. He's decent as the 4th man on an ok Boston team that's going to win about 45 games. Guys like him, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, etc. do absolutely nothing for us and if those are the kinds of guys we sign this Summer we should expect to have basically the same record (unless Porzingis makes some sort of leap next year).


Well you better be ready for us to sign those types of players cause we won't be signing any max guys this off season. Those 3 names you mentioned and guys like that are exactly what i'm expecting this off season and i really don't think some of them would be bad choices for what we can afford. If we get the right guys in that come in committed and we can get a head coach that the players will respect and can coach then i think if we added a E.Turner and B.Jennings or R.Rondo to Melo, KP and R.Lopez that they could absolutely compete for the playoffs next year.

PG--R.Rondo or B.Jennings
SG--E.Turner
SF--Melo
PF--KP
C--R.Lopez
Bench--L.Thomas, D.Williams, Gallo, J.Grant, KOQ, W.Hermangomez and a couple of new lower priced veterans.

To be able to afford both Rondo or Jennings and E.Turner A.Afflalo will have to opt out and not re-sign but that team there would make the playoffs next year.

No one in the starting 5 is a great outside shooter. In today's league, that would be a huge problem.


Yeah that's a good point and for some reason i didn't even think about that when i was making that team. So we would need to get a point guard or SG that can shoot the rock. E.Turner can play the 2 or the 3 as well.
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3/22/2016  4:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2016  4:22 PM
fishmike wrote:
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dk7th wrote:so jackson is high on turner, a player i have been touting for months as an upgrade over afflalo? see my sig.

SHOCKING!! lol

he sucks but maybe he is perfect for you and dr phil

mreinman... added to DK's list of people who have a lot to learn about the game.

Evan Turner would be a nice guy to pick up for 3 years and $15mm, he would be the 8th or 9th guy on the bench and be a decent bench player. He will shine in a couple spot starts. for each one of those he will have 3-4 nights where he does nothing, cant defend more athletic guys, cant shoot and is barely a warm body.

There is nothing wrong with Evan Turner except where he was drafted. He would be a great player in Europe. He's average to below average NBA talent, which is why I say he kinda sucks. He's a really good passer and a ball mover. Thus the triangle draw. But he's not a good shooter, not a good scorer.

He could be a good part.. but if this is one of the big additions its a terrible move. His impact isn't any more than Afflalo. At least AA can score in bunches and win some games. In terms of impact Turner is not an upgrade over AA. They are very different players but not high impact guys at all.

Holy crap, there's a whole lot of wrong in this post. E,Turner is gonna get a heck of a lot more than $5 million a year, he''l at least get the $8 million per that Afflalo gets. He absolutely wouldn't be the 8th or 9th guy on the team he'd be a starter. He's a better shooter/scorer then you're making him out to be and i've seen him take over games in the 4th quarter and seen him do it against us a few times.

no my post is spot on... 1) If he gets a ton more money good for him. If the Knicks give it to him they are idiots. That's my point. 2) If you are judging his scoring and shooting vs. the Knick guards then you are an idiot

Now.. Im not trying to be a douche on that last part, simply making a point. Turner is NOT a good scorer by NBA standards in any way shape or form. He's WELL BEHIND Afflalo in that regard. He's been simply a bad shooter from EVERYWHERE his whole career and his shooting #s back that up. Calling him a starter doesn't mean poop. Jose Calderon is a starter. Afflalo is a starter. Sasha has started. So my 8th man comment is spot on, on a GOOD team.

He's a high IQ, low skill player. If he could shoot it you live with the below average athleticism. If we whiff on FAs and sign Turner to AA's contract (2 years $16mm) fine. I can live with it. Its an upgrade. If you go out and pay Turner what Shump or Carrol got its a BAD BAD move. The guy is a 6 year pro. Time to accept he is what he is. Im sure he will look better around better player. Everyone does.

Turner is right where he should be.. backing up Avery Bradley.

Well i see you've changed your wording from the post i commented on cause now you're saying he's a 8th man on a GOOD team but you didn't say that in the post i commented on which is a big difference. You also changed up what you said about him and Afflalo cause you said in the post i commeneted that he's not a better player than Afflalo to now saying he's not a better shooter than Afflalo. I do think he's a better all around player than Afflalo but no he's not a better shooter even though Afflalo isn't much better at shooting than he is. I never said that E.Turner is some great player that i'd love to have, i think he's a good player and can be a starter on a good team or he'd be a good 6th man on a good team. I'd pay him the $8 mil per that Afflao is getting and would rather have him making $8 mil for us over Afflalo making $8 mil per any day.

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3/22/2016  4:20 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
VCoug wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Why are people using AA as a standard? He sucks and just because another player might be better than him in other areas doesn't mean they are good? Having the best below avg players isn't much to talk about. It's like when people called AA an improvement over JR/Shump, that's not saying much.

Seriously. He's decent as the 4th man on an ok Boston team that's going to win about 45 games. Guys like him, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, etc. do absolutely nothing for us and if those are the kinds of guys we sign this Summer we should expect to have basically the same record (unless Porzingis makes some sort of leap next year).


Well you better be ready for us to sign those types of players cause we won't be signing any max guys this off season. Those 3 names you mentioned and guys like that are exactly what i'm expecting this off season and i really don't think some of them would be bad choices for what we can afford. If we get the right guys in that come in committed and we can get a head coach that the players will respect and can coach then i think if we added a E.Turner and B.Jennings or R.Rondo to Melo, KP and R.Lopez that they could absolutely compete for the playoffs next year.

PG--R.Rondo or B.Jennings
SG--E.Turner
SF--Melo
PF--KP
C--R.Lopez
Bench--L.Thomas, D.Williams, Gallo, J.Grant, KOQ, W.Hermangomez and a couple of new lower priced veterans.

To be able to afford both Rondo or Jennings and E.Turner A.Afflalo will have to opt out and not re-sign but that team there would make the playoffs next year.


A Rondo\Turner backcourt would be the worst backcourt in the league. Plus, Turner needs to dominate ball. He would be a bad fit next Jennings. Plus this does nothing to improve our backcourt D.

Turner doesn't need to dominate the ball. Where would you get that idea from??

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3/22/2016  4:22 PM
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dk7th wrote:turner haters are also jackson haters. it's a simple equivalency test.

nobody even knows turner enough to hate him.

his advanced stats are bad, don't why you said they are good.

Why do you think everyone just watches the Knicks? I watch the Celtics all the time on the weekends because MSG is not available in my weekend home. Evan turner has played well this year but he is the benefactor of the Cs offense and the play of 5-9 isiah Thomas who by the way has more positive impact on games than Carmelo. I don't think turner would have the same impact here because of our spacing. It's going to cost starter money to get him and he's not a good shooter so you would almost be forced to start him as a 1 guard but he's not that. I would love for any fan of turner to explain how he fits on the Knicks????

I have seen him too and he has a shooting problem (lance thomas school this summer?) and his WS48 is below and avg player.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2016  4:24 PM
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mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:so jackson is high on turner, a player i have been touting for months as an upgrade over afflalo? see my sig.

SHOCKING!! lol

he sucks but maybe he is perfect for you and dr phil

mreinman... added to DK's list of people who have a lot to learn about the game.

Evan Turner would be a nice guy to pick up for 3 years and $15mm, he would be the 8th or 9th guy on the bench and be a decent bench player. He will shine in a couple spot starts. for each one of those he will have 3-4 nights where he does nothing, cant defend more athletic guys, cant shoot and is barely a warm body.

There is nothing wrong with Evan Turner except where he was drafted. He would be a great player in Europe. He's average to below average NBA talent, which is why I say he kinda sucks. He's a really good passer and a ball mover. Thus the triangle draw. But he's not a good shooter, not a good scorer.

He could be a good part.. but if this is one of the big additions its a terrible move. His impact isn't any more than Afflalo. At least AA can score in bunches and win some games. In terms of impact Turner is not an upgrade over AA. They are very different players but not high impact guys at all.

well said

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2016  5:50 PM
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mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:turner haters are also jackson haters. it's a simple equivalency test.

nobody even knows turner enough to hate him.

his advanced stats are bad, don't why you said they are good.

the advanced stats i have looked at say he is better than afflalo, and "better" = "upgrade" which is all jackson is looking at. here is what i saw:

1)look at turner's drpm: it's above the league average at the position and is light years better than afflalo.
2)then look at his usage to assist rate ratio. it happens to be elite for a shooting guard/swingman.
3)then check yourself as you are growing increasingly peevish in your old age.

peevish? NOT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Use WS48 since it combines all the other stats in ways that we are not capable of doing ourselves.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2016  6:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2016  6:20 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:so jackson is high on turner, a player i have been touting for months as an upgrade over afflalo? see my sig.

SHOCKING!! lol

he sucks but maybe he is perfect for you and dr phil

mreinman... added to DK's list of people who have a lot to learn about the game.

Evan Turner would be a nice guy to pick up for 3 years and $15mm, he would be the 8th or 9th guy on the bench and be a decent bench player. He will shine in a couple spot starts. for each one of those he will have 3-4 nights where he does nothing, cant defend more athletic guys, cant shoot and is barely a warm body.

There is nothing wrong with Evan Turner except where he was drafted. He would be a great player in Europe. He's average to below average NBA talent, which is why I say he kinda sucks. He's a really good passer and a ball mover. Thus the triangle draw. But he's not a good shooter, not a good scorer.

He could be a good part.. but if this is one of the big additions its a terrible move. His impact isn't any more than Afflalo. At least AA can score in bunches and win some games. In terms of impact Turner is not an upgrade over AA. They are very different players but not high impact guys at all.

well said

and he can't shoot 3's with any consistency at all...In fact, I wouldn't bring in any player who can't shoot 3's above 36%

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3/22/2016  6:27 PM
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mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:so jackson is high on turner, a player i have been touting for months as an upgrade over afflalo? see my sig.

SHOCKING!! lol

he sucks but maybe he is perfect for you and dr phil

mreinman... added to DK's list of people who have a lot to learn about the game.

Evan Turner would be a nice guy to pick up for 3 years and $15mm, he would be the 8th or 9th guy on the bench and be a decent bench player. He will shine in a couple spot starts. for each one of those he will have 3-4 nights where he does nothing, cant defend more athletic guys, cant shoot and is barely a warm body.

There is nothing wrong with Evan Turner except where he was drafted. He would be a great player in Europe. He's average to below average NBA talent, which is why I say he kinda sucks. He's a really good passer and a ball mover. Thus the triangle draw. But he's not a good shooter, not a good scorer.

He could be a good part.. but if this is one of the big additions its a terrible move. His impact isn't any more than Afflalo. At least AA can score in bunches and win some games. In terms of impact Turner is not an upgrade over AA. They are very different players but not high impact guys at all.

well said

and he can't shoot 3's with any consistency at all...In fact, I wouldn't bring in any player who can't shoot 3's above 36%

36 is pushing hit. How about we start with 30? Evan Turner is at 20% this year but he has fluctuated in his career. Don't think that he will do that much better here with our triangle spacing.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2016  6:48 PM
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dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:turner haters are also jackson haters. it's a simple equivalency test.

nobody even knows turner enough to hate him.

his advanced stats are bad, don't why you said they are good.

Why do you think everyone just watches the Knicks? I watch the Celtics all the time on the weekends because MSG is not available in my weekend home. Evan turner has played well this year but he is the benefactor of the Cs offense and the play of 5-9 isiah Thomas who by the way has more positive impact on games than Carmelo. I don't think turner would have the same impact here because of our spacing. It's going to cost starter money to get him and he's not a good shooter so you would almost be forced to start him as a 1 guard but he's not that. I would love for any fan of turner to explain how he fits on the Knicks????

he is a terrific pocket passer and in traffic. knicks need better passers. afflalo and williams are horrible passers. thomas is a little better but struggles there too. grant leaves his feet to pass every godammed time. clyde has pointed this out many times.

I always thought that LT is a horrible passer and - I don't why this is - even though Grant leaves his feet, I throw that off to rookie stuff just happening and I expect much better from him next year.

not so easy martin because not leaving his feet means maintaining his dribble. tony parker did it-- eventually. not sure if we have any other examples.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/22/2016  7:06 PM
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:so jackson is high on turner, a player i have been touting for months as an upgrade over afflalo? see my sig.

SHOCKING!! lol

he sucks but maybe he is perfect for you and dr phil

mreinman... added to DK's list of people who have a lot to learn about the game.

Evan Turner would be a nice guy to pick up for 3 years and $15mm, he would be the 8th or 9th guy on the bench and be a decent bench player. He will shine in a couple spot starts. for each one of those he will have 3-4 nights where he does nothing, cant defend more athletic guys, cant shoot and is barely a warm body.

There is nothing wrong with Evan Turner except where he was drafted. He would be a great player in Europe. He's average to below average NBA talent, which is why I say he kinda sucks. He's a really good passer and a ball mover. Thus the triangle draw. But he's not a good shooter, not a good scorer.

He could be a good part.. but if this is one of the big additions its a terrible move. His impact isn't any more than Afflalo. At least AA can score in bunches and win some games. In terms of impact Turner is not an upgrade over AA. They are very different players but not high impact guys at all.

well said

and he can't shoot 3's with any consistency at all...In fact, I wouldn't bring in any player who can't shoot 3's above 36%

36 is pushing hit. How about we start with 30? Evan Turner is at 20% this year but he has fluctuated in his career. Don't think that he will do that much better here with our triangle spacing.

spacing...lol, there's no such thing in our triangle.. it's a bloody eye soar to watch this offense, I wanna puke sometimes

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3/22/2016  7:23 PM
dk7th wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:turner haters are also jackson haters. it's a simple equivalency test.

nobody even knows turner enough to hate him.

his advanced stats are bad, don't why you said they are good.

Why do you think everyone just watches the Knicks? I watch the Celtics all the time on the weekends because MSG is not available in my weekend home. Evan turner has played well this year but he is the benefactor of the Cs offense and the play of 5-9 isiah Thomas who by the way has more positive impact on games than Carmelo. I don't think turner would have the same impact here because of our spacing. It's going to cost starter money to get him and he's not a good shooter so you would almost be forced to start him as a 1 guard but he's not that. I would love for any fan of turner to explain how he fits on the Knicks????

he is a terrific pocket passer and in traffic. knicks need better passers. afflalo and williams are horrible passers. thomas is a little better but struggles there too. grant leaves his feet to pass every godammed time. clyde has pointed this out many times.

I always thought that LT is a horrible passer and - I don't why this is - even though Grant leaves his feet, I throw that off to rookie stuff just happening and I expect much better from him next year.

not so easy martin because not leaving his feet means maintaining his dribble. tony parker did it-- eventually. not sure if we have any other examples.

There are plenty of other examples of rookie PG's struggling, leaving feet, not shooting well. Time will tell.

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3/23/2016  2:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/23/2016  2:20 AM
Most of y'all are talking gibberish. I've seen the list of unrestricted shooting guards this summer and there isn't that much quality available.

Knicks fans, stop ya blood clat crying and whining

Turner would be a good look

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3/23/2016  9:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/23/2016  9:36 AM
wh4t wrote:Most of y'all are talking gibberish. I've seen the list of unrestricted shooting guards this summer and there isn't that much quality available.

Knicks fans, stop ya blood clat crying and whining

Turner would be a good look

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http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/future_free_agents/2017/U/Per_Game/0/NBA/position

Turner wouldn't be a bad player to have on this team at all especially if the following off season (2017) we get one of the many legit point guards that will be available instead of trying to make a R.Rondo fit with this team unless we can get Conley but i don't think any of us see that happening. So we could get E.Turner and whatever money we have left we can use on other good not great players and then finish it up in 2017 with a top point guard. So what we'd be looking at is a two year finish of this rebuild we're in right now and instead of trying to get it all done in one off season and forcing players to fit we can pick and choose this off season and finish the job the following off season.

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3/23/2016  10:25 AM
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callmened wrote:sigh...evan turner is not a good player. lol. i mean folks come on! but i realize that beggars cant be choosers. hes a solid 8-9th man on a good team and starter on a bad team. hes a wing that CANT shoot! in a system that needs spacing. lol.

the best thing i would like about signing ETurner is when melo says "WTF" and then demands a trade. thats why id be all on board with signing the immortal E. TUrner

we're talking about an upgrade over afflalo, not a core piece to a championship puzzle. patience!

i get it. but i can recognize that hes not a good player. i dont care what his metrics say. he simply doesnt pass my eye test...and i watch a lot of celtics games. but sure, id agree with the signing if it makes melo vomits and he forces a trade. in fact, mediocre stop gap free agents like turner and jennings are exactly what im advocating for- as long as we dont overpay. get rid of them by 2018.

PS no im not a phil hater. i think he's a brilliant bball mind - just stuck on this triangle philosophy

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/23/2016  10:35 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
VCoug wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Why are people using AA as a standard? He sucks and just because another player might be better than him in other areas doesn't mean they are good? Having the best below avg players isn't much to talk about. It's like when people called AA an improvement over JR/Shump, that's not saying much.

Seriously. He's decent as the 4th man on an ok Boston team that's going to win about 45 games. Guys like him, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, etc. do absolutely nothing for us and if those are the kinds of guys we sign this Summer we should expect to have basically the same record (unless Porzingis makes some sort of leap next year).


Well you better be ready for us to sign those types of players cause we won't be signing any max guys this off season. Those 3 names you mentioned and guys like that are exactly what i'm expecting this off season and i really don't think some of them would be bad choices for what we can afford. If we get the right guys in that come in committed and we can get a head coach that the players will respect and can coach then i think if we added a E.Turner and B.Jennings or R.Rondo to Melo, KP and R.Lopez that they could absolutely compete for the playoffs next year.

PG--R.Rondo or B.Jennings
SG--E.Turner
SF--Melo
PF--KP
C--R.Lopez
Bench--L.Thomas, D.Williams, Gallo, J.Grant, KOQ, W.Hermangomez and a couple of new lower priced veterans.

To be able to afford both Rondo or Jennings and E.Turner A.Afflalo will have to opt out and not re-sign but that team there would make the playoffs next year.

No one in the starting 5 is a great outside shooter. In today's league, that would be a huge problem.


Yeah that's a good point and for some reason i didn't even think about that when i was making that team. So we would need to get a point guard or SG that can shoot the rock. E.Turner can play the 2 or the 3 as well.

To me if we assume the front court will remain the same next season, than we need a PG who can penetrate and create for them while keeping the defense honest on his outside shot, and a SG who is a 2-way player and knock down outside shooter. The most fitting players on the open market are Jennings and Bazemore, especially considering age. They might not be perfect, but they make the most sense if we are trying to upgrade both positions this off season. Turner fits as a nice 6th man type with his all-around skills.
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3/23/2016  11:04 AM
id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/23/2016  11:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/23/2016  11:42 AM
Knixkik wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
VCoug wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Why are people using AA as a standard? He sucks and just because another player might be better than him in other areas doesn't mean they are good? Having the best below avg players isn't much to talk about. It's like when people called AA an improvement over JR/Shump, that's not saying much.

Seriously. He's decent as the 4th man on an ok Boston team that's going to win about 45 games. Guys like him, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, etc. do absolutely nothing for us and if those are the kinds of guys we sign this Summer we should expect to have basically the same record (unless Porzingis makes some sort of leap next year).


Well you better be ready for us to sign those types of players cause we won't be signing any max guys this off season. Those 3 names you mentioned and guys like that are exactly what i'm expecting this off season and i really don't think some of them would be bad choices for what we can afford. If we get the right guys in that come in committed and we can get a head coach that the players will respect and can coach then i think if we added a E.Turner and B.Jennings or R.Rondo to Melo, KP and R.Lopez that they could absolutely compete for the playoffs next year.

PG--R.Rondo or B.Jennings
SG--E.Turner
SF--Melo
PF--KP
C--R.Lopez
Bench--L.Thomas, D.Williams, Gallo, J.Grant, KOQ, W.Hermangomez and a couple of new lower priced veterans.

To be able to afford both Rondo or Jennings and E.Turner A.Afflalo will have to opt out and not re-sign but that team there would make the playoffs next year.

No one in the starting 5 is a great outside shooter. In today's league, that would be a huge problem.


Yeah that's a good point and for some reason i didn't even think about that when i was making that team. So we would need to get a point guard or SG that can shoot the rock. E.Turner can play the 2 or the 3 as well.

To me if we assume the front court will remain the same next season, than we need a PG who can penetrate and create for them while keeping the defense honest on his outside shot, and a SG who is a 2-way player and knock down outside shooter. The most fitting players on the open market are Jennings and Bazemore, especially considering age. They might not be perfect, but they make the most sense if we are trying to upgrade both positions this off season. Turner fits as a nice 6th man type with his all-around skills.


I agree with what you're saying (what are needs are), I just don't want to overspend on the "premium" choices -- Jennings, Rondo, Batum, Conley Jr...Bazemore and Crabbe are even gonna cost a pretty penny off their productive seasons. I'd prefer to target guys that fill our needs while remaining mindful of the cap.

For a lead guard upgrade, just looking at what's out there, I think I prefer Jerryd Bayless. I think he fulfills what we need at that spot--experienced but nowhere near over the hill, good speed/penetration/creativity, and he can keep guys honest with his jumper which has always been solid. Very solid overall talent level--an athletic, capable ball-handler who would add offensive punch--has the skills to succeed in the triangle and also get out and play in transition. I feel this dude is capable of running his own team--that could be the hook to get him. The big thing I like here is that he should cost less than these other guys, maybe a lot less the more I think about it--I don't know if anyone around the league would offer Bayless 30+ mins and a starting spot like I'm recommending. If we offered that along with a decent/fair contract, that might help keep the price in our favor. I think Bayless together with someone like Yogi Ferrell who I'd hope to get in the draft somehow (unlike other projected 1st rounders and the like, this is a guy we'd actually have a shot at getting)--I like that combo as far as bang for the buck...At 2G, same deal with Bazemore, Batum etc. -- nice players but they'll cost a premium. I'd rather turn my attention to PJ Hairston/Terrico White for a 2G--these dudes would cost less yet possess a very similar ceiling as an Allen Crabbe for example. Solomon Hill over Evan Turner for that type of player, same deal... Hey man, cap management is half the battle in the NBA. Wildly overspending for mediocrity is the worst possible thing you can do--we've all seen that approach far too many times. I'd prefer to keep costs down, maybe uncover a real good cost-effective player along the way while doing so (hopefully two or three of these types). And if Melo doesn't care for that approach, he can ask to leave at any point. Melo couldn't care less about the ramifications of mismanaging the cap but Phil certainly should. Loading up on overpriced players that doesn't = championship or in theory at least a deep playoff run just to placate Melo is the wrong approach if you ask me.

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3/23/2016  11:33 AM
callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

Can't get all 3 at that cost. Jennings should not get 13-15 mil, he just hasn't proven enough coming back from injury this season. I would love to pay for 1 season similar to Rondo so we have our options open again next summer for the strong PG free agent class. But Jennings to me is worth 10 mil per year on a longer deal, or maybe 12 mil on a one year deal if he is trying to regain his value again to get a big contract the following summer. Bazemore will definitely get 10-12 mil, and given his shooting, defense, and still having upside, he is worth it. We can afford both of those players i think. Turner would depend on Afflalo and DWill. I would only sign him to replace Afflalo as 6th man, and would not pay him more than 8 mil per year. For that, i'll just resign Afflalo, who definitely hasn't earned more than he is being paid right now, but would probably accept a similar amount in a multi-year offer.

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3/23/2016  12:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/23/2016  12:55 PM
Knixkik wrote:
callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

Can't get all 3 at that cost. Jennings should not get 13-15 mil, he just hasn't proven enough coming back from injury this season. I would love to pay for 1 season similar to Rondo so we have our options open again next summer for the strong PG free agent class. But Jennings to me is worth 10 mil per year on a longer deal, or maybe 12 mil on a one year deal if he is trying to regain his value again to get a big contract the following summer. Bazemore will definitely get 10-12 mil, and given his shooting, defense, and still having upside, he is worth it. We can afford both of those players i think. Turner would depend on Afflalo and DWill. I would only sign him to replace Afflalo as 6th man, and would not pay him more than 8 mil per year. For that, i'll just resign Afflalo, who definitely hasn't earned more than he is being paid right now, but would probably accept a similar amount in a multi-year offer.

If Afflalo and D.Williams opted out and we don't re-sign them and we use the stretch provision on Calderon we'll have right around $36/$38 million to spend and we'd probably be able to sign all 3 of those guys which would be a big improvement to our team.

PG--B.Jennings/J.Grant
SG--K.Bazemore/Gallo
SF--Melo/L.Thomas
PF--K.Porzingis
C--R.Lopez/KOQ
6th man--E.Turner.
That's a pretty good team that can clearly make the playoffs right away.

Knicks interested in Evan Turner in free agency.

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