HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:You trade Melo you need something proven back. Can't bank it all on hopefully the draft pick coming back turns into a stud.

Mavs let Steve Nash walk because they felt he was on the decline and they traded Jamison to the Wiz for there top 5 pick and grabbed Devin Harris. Harris turned into an average player, Nash turned into MVP(no Im not saying this will happen for Melo). Mavs then later on trade Harris for Jason Kidd since the Nets now wanted to rebuild with youth. Kidd helps Mavs win a championship. Harris helps Nets remain in the lottery.

And i'm sure there are stories of the reverse happening. At the end of the day the same amount of luck and hope is needed.

There are no guarantees of success in the draft, but at the same time there's a hard certainty that Melo won't win a ring in New York. It's fact already.

Do you want to wallow in mediocrity, or do you want to change course and at least have a chance?

So you think we should trade our best player, who even with bad knees has put up numbers we can use in the next three years, for let's say a Frank Kaminsky type pick (Lottery, a Gerian Grant (Late 1st rounder) type pick and a Second rounder (Cleanthony Early) type pick. Just because you dislike him because of whatever personal feeling you have of him? (Real rational)......ummm NO.

we are not good enough to win with him in the near future so why keep him? One reason ... cash cow! Dolan ... in a nutshell, and in no way does this help anyone but him.

And I ......disagree, which I am sure you noticed. We won 54 games with an okay group around him just a few years ago. Unless you think Chandler, Smith, Shump, Felton a retiring Kidd where the best in the NBA at the time. We are a solid coach, PG, consistent second scorer and a system with a pulse that's worth a ****. One that player's wanna play for. Not that far fetched of an expectation from Uncle Phil.

And I get it, trade Melo for draft picks, got it. What I don't get is talking about pie in the sky speculative crap. He has a NTC.. so first big speculation. Pretty big one as if he does name just a couple of teams he would want to go to, we would lose all levwrage. Good luck getting a lot of assets if that's the case. Last i checkes there has been no trade on table so we don't even know what anyone will offer, According to many on here, Boston offerrd every pick they will ever have for him and Melo turned them down. And if or once we get these picks, we just have to pick guys that are guaranteed to make it, easy. Cuz if you look at the success rate of the NBA draft, it's guaranteed. Cant wait for the posts of draft pick hooefulls that will be considered the next Frédéric Weiss, Renaldo Balkmon, Donell Harvey or Mike Sweetney. Cant wait. It's very similar to what teams like the Spurs did, traded guys like Duncan, Ginobli, Parker once they saw they were not 28 any longer so they can build from scratch.

Please don't put Melo in the same sentence of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. It's heresy.

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:You trade Melo you need something proven back. Can't bank it all on hopefully the draft pick coming back turns into a stud.

Mavs let Steve Nash walk because they felt he was on the decline and they traded Jamison to the Wiz for there top 5 pick and grabbed Devin Harris. Harris turned into an average player, Nash turned into MVP(no Im not saying this will happen for Melo). Mavs then later on trade Harris for Jason Kidd since the Nets now wanted to rebuild with youth. Kidd helps Mavs win a championship. Harris helps Nets remain in the lottery.

And i'm sure there are stories of the reverse happening. At the end of the day the same amount of luck and hope is needed.

There are no guarantees of success in the draft, but at the same time there's a hard certainty that Melo won't win a ring in New York. It's fact already.

Do you want to wallow in mediocrity, or do you want to change course and at least have a chance?

So you think we should trade our best player, who even with bad knees has put up numbers we can use in the next three years, for let's say a Frank Kaminsky type pick (Lottery, a Gerian Grant (Late 1st rounder) type pick and a Second rounder (Cleanthony Early) type pick. Just because you dislike him because of whatever personal feeling you have of him? (Real rational)......ummm NO.

we are not good enough to win with him in the near future so why keep him? One reason ... cash cow! Dolan ... in a nutshell, and in no way does this help anyone but him.

And I ......disagree, which I am sure you noticed. We won 54 games with an okay group around him just a few years ago. Unless you think Chandler, Smith, Shump, Felton a retiring Kidd where the best in the NBA at the time. We are a solid coach, PG, consistent second scorer and a system with a pulse that's worth a ****. One that player's wanna play for. Not that far fetched of an expectation from Uncle Phil.

And I get it, trade Melo for draft picks, got it. What I don't get is talking about pie in the sky speculative crap. He has a NTC.. so first big speculation. Pretty big one as if he does name just a couple of teams he would want to go to, we would lose all levwrage. Good luck getting a lot of assets if that's the case. Last i checkes there has been no trade on table so we don't even know what anyone will offer, According to many on here, Boston offerrd every pick they will ever have for him and Melo turned them down. And if or once we get these picks, we just have to pick guys that are guaranteed to make it, easy. Cuz if you look at the success rate of the NBA draft, it's guaranteed. Cant wait for the posts of draft pick hooefulls that will be considered the next Frédéric Weiss, Renaldo Balkmon, Donell Harvey or Mike Sweetney. Cant wait. It's very similar to what teams like the Spurs did, traded guys like Duncan, Ginobli, Parker once they saw they were not 28 any longer so they can build from scratch.

If we can't get good value or he is not willing to waive his NTC then we should keep him. Obviously.

The knicks 54 win season played super super small ball (which is far from what we are doing now) and melo was a much better melo.

They are not putting together a squad as good as that regular season squad - in the next few years.

Right now its just a starphuck pipe dream at best that we could put a winning team around melo that can go deep in the playoffs let alone make the playoffs.

SA was a really really bad example. C'mon.

Agree.

Agree.

Disagree. Just 2 or three away from that caliber.

Disagree.

Disagree. Insert any team that has won by keeping an experienced All Star and added a mix of young talent and FA around them. Yes Spurs on long list.

ChuckBuck wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:You trade Melo you need something proven back. Can't bank it all on hopefully the draft pick coming back turns into a stud.

Mavs let Steve Nash walk because they felt he was on the decline and they traded Jamison to the Wiz for there top 5 pick and grabbed Devin Harris. Harris turned into an average player, Nash turned into MVP(no Im not saying this will happen for Melo). Mavs then later on trade Harris for Jason Kidd since the Nets now wanted to rebuild with youth. Kidd helps Mavs win a championship. Harris helps Nets remain in the lottery.

And i'm sure there are stories of the reverse happening. At the end of the day the same amount of luck and hope is needed.

There are no guarantees of success in the draft, but at the same time there's a hard certainty that Melo won't win a ring in New York. It's fact already.

Do you want to wallow in mediocrity, or do you want to change course and at least have a chance?

So you think we should trade our best player, who even with bad knees has put up numbers we can use in the next three years, for let's say a Frank Kaminsky type pick (Lottery, a Gerian Grant (Late 1st rounder) type pick and a Second rounder (Cleanthony Early) type pick. Just because you dislike him because of whatever personal feeling you have of him? (Real rational)......ummm NO.

we are not good enough to win with him in the near future so why keep him? One reason ... cash cow! Dolan ... in a nutshell, and in no way does this help anyone but him.

And I ......disagree, which I am sure you noticed. We won 54 games with an okay group around him just a few years ago. Unless you think Chandler, Smith, Shump, Felton a retiring Kidd where the best in the NBA at the time. We are a solid coach, PG, consistent second scorer and a system with a pulse that's worth a ****. One that player's wanna play for. Not that far fetched of an expectation from Uncle Phil.

And I get it, trade Melo for draft picks, got it. What I don't get is talking about pie in the sky speculative crap. He has a NTC.. so first big speculation. Pretty big one as if he does name just a couple of teams he would want to go to, we would lose all levwrage. Good luck getting a lot of assets if that's the case. Last i checkes there has been no trade on table so we don't even know what anyone will offer, According to many on here, Boston offerrd every pick they will ever have for him and Melo turned them down. And if or once we get these picks, we just have to pick guys that are guaranteed to make it, easy. Cuz if you look at the success rate of the NBA draft, it's guaranteed. Cant wait for the posts of draft pick hooefulls that will be considered the next Frédéric Weiss, Renaldo Balkmon, Donell Harvey or Mike Sweetney. Cant wait. It's very similar to what teams like the Spurs did, traded guys like Duncan, Ginobli, Parker once they saw they were not 28 any longer so they can build from scratch.

Please don't put Melo in the same sentence of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. It's heresy.

Wait....you disagree? You don't like Melo? You want Melo traded for Jeremy Lin? Didn't realize you felt this way. You should really post your opinion more often on the subject. Why do you dislike Melo again?

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:You trade Melo you need something proven back. Can't bank it all on hopefully the draft pick coming back turns into a stud.

Mavs let Steve Nash walk because they felt he was on the decline and they traded Jamison to the Wiz for there top 5 pick and grabbed Devin Harris. Harris turned into an average player, Nash turned into MVP(no Im not saying this will happen for Melo). Mavs then later on trade Harris for Jason Kidd since the Nets now wanted to rebuild with youth. Kidd helps Mavs win a championship. Harris helps Nets remain in the lottery.

And i'm sure there are stories of the reverse happening. At the end of the day the same amount of luck and hope is needed.

There are no guarantees of success in the draft, but at the same time there's a hard certainty that Melo won't win a ring in New York. It's fact already.

Do you want to wallow in mediocrity, or do you want to change course and at least have a chance?

So you think we should trade our best player, who even with bad knees has put up numbers we can use in the next three years, for let's say a Frank Kaminsky type pick (Lottery, a Gerian Grant (Late 1st rounder) type pick and a Second rounder (Cleanthony Early) type pick. Just because you dislike him because of whatever personal feeling you have of him? (Real rational)......ummm NO.

we are not good enough to win with him in the near future so why keep him? One reason ... cash cow! Dolan ... in a nutshell, and in no way does this help anyone but him.

And I ......disagree, which I am sure you noticed. We won 54 games with an okay group around him just a few years ago. Unless you think Chandler, Smith, Shump, Felton a retiring Kidd where the best in the NBA at the time. We are a solid coach, PG, consistent second scorer and a system with a pulse that's worth a ****. One that player's wanna play for. Not that far fetched of an expectation from Uncle Phil.

And I get it, trade Melo for draft picks, got it. What I don't get is talking about pie in the sky speculative crap. He has a NTC.. so first big speculation. Pretty big one as if he does name just a couple of teams he would want to go to, we would lose all levwrage. Good luck getting a lot of assets if that's the case. Last i checkes there has been no trade on table so we don't even know what anyone will offer, According to many on here, Boston offerrd every pick they will ever have for him and Melo turned them down. And if or once we get these picks, we just have to pick guys that are guaranteed to make it, easy. Cuz if you look at the success rate of the NBA draft, it's guaranteed. Cant wait for the posts of draft pick hooefulls that will be considered the next Frédéric Weiss, Renaldo Balkmon, Donell Harvey or Mike Sweetney. Cant wait. It's very similar to what teams like the Spurs did, traded guys like Duncan, Ginobli, Parker once they saw they were not 28 any longer so they can build from scratch.

Please don't put Melo in the same sentence of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. It's heresy.

Wait....you disagree? You don't like Melo? You want Melo traded for Jeremy Lin? Didn't realize you felt this way. You should really post your opinion more often on the subject. Why do you dislike Melo again?

I don't dislike Melo and don't want him traded for Jeremy Lin.

I do dislike that 31 year broken down NTC Melo is on my favorite team for the next 3 years though. I'd ideally want him traded for at least some 1st rounders and/or role players before his trade value is nil.

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:You trade Melo you need something proven back. Can't bank it all on hopefully the draft pick coming back turns into a stud.

Mavs let Steve Nash walk because they felt he was on the decline and they traded Jamison to the Wiz for there top 5 pick and grabbed Devin Harris. Harris turned into an average player, Nash turned into MVP(no Im not saying this will happen for Melo). Mavs then later on trade Harris for Jason Kidd since the Nets now wanted to rebuild with youth. Kidd helps Mavs win a championship. Harris helps Nets remain in the lottery.

And i'm sure there are stories of the reverse happening. At the end of the day the same amount of luck and hope is needed.

There are no guarantees of success in the draft, but at the same time there's a hard certainty that Melo won't win a ring in New York. It's fact already.

Do you want to wallow in mediocrity, or do you want to change course and at least have a chance?

So you think we should trade our best player, who even with bad knees has put up numbers we can use in the next three years, for let's say a Frank Kaminsky type pick (Lottery, a Gerian Grant (Late 1st rounder) type pick and a Second rounder (Cleanthony Early) type pick. Just because you dislike him because of whatever personal feeling you have of him? (Real rational)......ummm NO.

we are not good enough to win with him in the near future so why keep him? One reason ... cash cow! Dolan ... in a nutshell, and in no way does this help anyone but him.

And I ......disagree, which I am sure you noticed. We won 54 games with an okay group around him just a few years ago. Unless you think Chandler, Smith, Shump, Felton a retiring Kidd where the best in the NBA at the time. We are a solid coach, PG, consistent second scorer and a system with a pulse that's worth a ****. One that player's wanna play for. Not that far fetched of an expectation from Uncle Phil.

And I get it, trade Melo for draft picks, got it. What I don't get is talking about pie in the sky speculative crap. He has a NTC.. so first big speculation. Pretty big one as if he does name just a couple of teams he would want to go to, we would lose all levwrage. Good luck getting a lot of assets if that's the case. Last i checkes there has been no trade on table so we don't even know what anyone will offer, According to many on here, Boston offerrd every pick they will ever have for him and Melo turned them down. And if or once we get these picks, we just have to pick guys that are guaranteed to make it, easy. Cuz if you look at the success rate of the NBA draft, it's guaranteed. Cant wait for the posts of draft pick hooefulls that will be considered the next Frédéric Weiss, Renaldo Balkmon, Donell Harvey or Mike Sweetney. Cant wait. It's very similar to what teams like the Spurs did, traded guys like Duncan, Ginobli, Parker once they saw they were not 28 any longer so they can build from scratch.

Please don't put Melo in the same sentence of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. It's heresy.

Wait....you disagree? You don't like Melo? You want Melo traded for Jeremy Lin? Didn't realize you felt this way. You should really post your opinion more often on the subject. Why do you dislike Melo again?

is this just a reaction post? Lin?? Not sure if you even know who you are responding to. I am not CB. Try again.

I like the way melo is playing this year.

I like the idea of trading him while he had value?

Responding to our loyal New York Knicks Fan (Except for CA of course)....Mr. Bucks comment about Duncan, Ginobli and Parker.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Once the playoffs became unrealistic a smartly run team would have preserved Melo, experimented with an offense revolving around Porzingis and Grant’s skills, and used two or three roster spots to try to find cheap talent to add to the team gong forward.

Preserve Melo for what? Another 29 win Larry Brown season? Hey, Mr. aptly named BGibberman, welcome to New York City, where we have all the patience of a microwave with the runs. Where every other line in every rag in this city is "THIRD YEAR WITHOUT THE PLAYOFFS". I love this line of logic. Preserve Melo, like adopting the Popovich approach is going to suddenly make Melo more attractive to other teams. "Hey look, our hands down best player is now going to sit the bench two or three times a week, and we're also instituting a nice minutes restriction! But please, don't take that to mean he's not worth that huge investment we made in him! Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled first round draft picks....pretty please...?"

Grant's skills? What exactly are those at this point? Being 6'6" with a fine lineage?

Preserve Melo for the physical for when we trade him after he waives his No Trade Clause.

are you confident that the kknicks can trade melo into something better..give me a time in the last 2 decades, that the knicks made a good move, trading their best player usually results in a even more fck up contract, weak role players, and garbage draft picks like nate robinson, ariza, sweetney, frye..oh gosh the list will never end

Just because our past GM's didn't always make good trades doesn't mean our new guys will make that same mistake. Any of our past GM's would of traded away our 2018 1st round pick at this past trade deadline that teams were asking for and would of traded W.Hermangomez that teams were asking for. Phil didn't do that and with things as bad as they were and are it had to be real tough to not trade any future picks or young players to get other players in here so why don't we look at that as a good thing and give Phil a chance to see what he can do in a big trade.

1st of all, how do you know what offers phil received, and 2nd, getting rid of melo means you made a horrible mistake signing him long term with a NTC, which goes in the right along with the other GM's that made bad moves.

Just because other GM's traded picks, doesn't make it a bad trade, we have no players on the current roster that had been drafted by the knicks, other than KP, early and grant... those guys look yrs away from having an impact, and surrounding them with more young talent is a 76ers recipe I want no part of.

nixluva wrote:It's not out of the question to see some significant growth from our young players next season. I can see them having a more positive impact after another summer of work and growth. They don't have to become superstars overnight to actually contribute to wins next season.

MELO is the only player in a hurry to win a title. The rest of the youth on the team has a much longer timeline. I think that Phil has shifted the focus of the team already. It's a more forward looking roster and will likely continue in that direction this summer. Phil is under no compunction to bend towards MELO's desires. If MELO is unhappy he can ask for a trade.

that's your thinking, I know damn well phill did't recently tell melo were going to focus on the developing of the young guns and your just here for the ride..

Galloway looked much better last season, so that tells you what direction we are going in

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not out of the question to see some significant growth from our young players next season. I can see them having a more positive impact after another summer of work and growth. They don't have to become superstars overnight to actually contribute to wins next season.

MELO is the only player in a hurry to win a title. The rest of the youth on the team has a much longer timeline. I think that Phil has shifted the focus of the team already. It's a more forward looking roster and will likely continue in that direction this summer. Phil is under no compunction to bend towards MELO's desires. If MELO is unhappy he can ask for a trade.

that's your thinking, I know damn well phill did't recently tell melo were going to focus on the developing of the young guns and your just here for the ride..

Galloway looked much better last season, so that tells you what direction we are going in

Phil wouldn't have to say anything as insulting as that! Just looking at things practically it's a low chance that we'll add players this summer that suddenly make this a title team so in essence what I suggest above is the only logical conclusion!

Using Gallo's season as an argument is weak IMO. The team got younger and will get younger still this summer! Wroten is an example! Willy is probably coming! I'm sure Phil will buy or trade for a pick as he often does. We still have camp invites that may make the team. I don't even know if Phil will use all of his cap space this summer or rather save some for 2017.

WROTEn IS A 4 YR VET, and is not that young, grant is 24, so how young are we

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not out of the question to see some significant growth from our young players next season. I can see them having a more positive impact after another summer of work and growth. They don't have to become superstars overnight to actually contribute to wins next season.

MELO is the only player in a hurry to win a title. The rest of the youth on the team has a much longer timeline. I think that Phil has shifted the focus of the team already. It's a more forward looking roster and will likely continue in that direction this summer. Phil is under no compunction to bend towards MELO's desires. If MELO is unhappy he can ask for a trade.

that's your thinking, I know damn well phill did't recently tell melo were going to focus on the developing of the young guns and your just here for the ride..

Galloway looked much better last season, so that tells you what direction we are going in

Phil wouldn't have to say anything as insulting as that! Just looking at things practically it's a low chance that we'll add players this summer that suddenly make this a title team so in essence what I suggest above is the only logical conclusion!

Using Gallo's season as an argument is weak IMO. The team got younger and will get younger still this summer! Wroten is an example! Willy is probably coming! I'm sure Phil will buy or trade for a pick as he often does. We still have camp invites that may make the team. I don't even know if Phil will use all of his cap space this summer or rather save some for 2017.

WROTEn IS A 4 YR VET, and is not that young, grant is 24, so how young are we

Wroten is going on 23! Jerian being 24 doesn't make him an old grizzled vet! The team is going to lose older guys and bring in younger players, so YES the team is getting younger.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not out of the question to see some significant growth from our young players next season. I can see them having a more positive impact after another summer of work and growth. They don't have to become superstars overnight to actually contribute to wins next season.

MELO is the only player in a hurry to win a title. The rest of the youth on the team has a much longer timeline. I think that Phil has shifted the focus of the team already. It's a more forward looking roster and will likely continue in that direction this summer. Phil is under no compunction to bend towards MELO's desires. If MELO is unhappy he can ask for a trade.

that's your thinking, I know damn well phill did't recently tell melo were going to focus on the developing of the young guns and your just here for the ride..

Galloway looked much better last season, so that tells you what direction we are going in

Phil wouldn't have to say anything as insulting as that! Just looking at things practically it's a low chance that we'll add players this summer that suddenly make this a title team so in essence what I suggest above is the only logical conclusion!

Using Gallo's season as an argument is weak IMO. The team got younger and will get younger still this summer! Wroten is an example! Willy is probably coming! I'm sure Phil will buy or trade for a pick as he often does. We still have camp invites that may make the team. I don't even know if Phil will use all of his cap space this summer or rather save some for 2017.

WROTEn IS A 4 YR VET, and is not that young, grant is 24, so how young are we

Wroten is going on 23! Jerian being 24 doesn't make him an old grizzled vet! The team is going to lose older guys and bring in younger players, so YES the team is getting younger.

Wroten is the second youngest guy on the team.

I know it's hard for some to accept but Wroten is young! He's also been in some bad situations for a young developing player. Plus when Willy comes in and we bring in Camp invites, the team is very likely to get even younger.

we just got all of our vets, so how much younger are you talking here