Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Warriors are quickly becoming the greatest team of all time, no question about it. I don't care about how the eras compare. Old school players need to get real about today's basketball. While a lot of us may like the old school style NBA better, bottom line is in 2016 players are simply better. Players from the 70s, 80s, and 90s don't compare to today's players. Today's players are too skilled and athletic. Yes, many of yester-years stars would translate just fine in today's game, but the average rotation player would not. Today the league is faster, more athletic, and has much more depth. The players get better, not worst. GS would run circles around any championship teams from previous decades.

Not true. Not one of these players are as skilled and athletic as Jordan and Pippen in their prime. Maybe Lebron, but you think Curry could get off those ridiculous shots off with Jordan(9 ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAMS AND 1 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR) and Pippen(8 ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAMS, 1 SECOND TEAM) face guarding him all day? These guys were like Draymond Green before Draymond was fashionable. They could guard 3 or 4 positions like an octopus, then punish you on the offensive end. And I won't even bring up Rodman who won back to back defensive player of the year awards in Detroit before leading the league in rebounding for 7 years straight.

Get off your recency bias high horse. Warriors, though great, are a product of their no hand check no breathing on offensive player era.

Just stop. You couldn't be more wrong. Curry is the most skilled player of all time. Jordan, the greatest player of all time and greatest competitor of all time, is not as skilled as Curry. And he certainly could not guard Curry better than the best defenders in today's game. You are telling me that as dominant as Curry is, Jordan would be able to chase him around the perimeter and stop him from getting the stuff that he is getting now? Please. Jordan is the greatest of all time, but not a superhero like that. Curry has opened the game up. Jordan was a great defender, but the game was played 22 feet and in, not 30 feet and in like Curry is playing it today. Curry is faster than Jordan too. The Bulls might be the one team that could give this team problems today beccause Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Harper had a very unique versatility for that era which would translate well today, but in no way is anyone stopping what Curry is doing. He is doing it against better athletes today than existed in the 90s, bottom line. The rules were different, but it doesn't change how good players are today.

LMFAO! You don't think Phil Jackson couldn't devise a scheme to stop that bullshyt with his stable of thoroughbreds. His phucking disciple Kerr played on that 96 team!

No, Phil is not some wizard, he would not think of something that today's coaches can't. If he was, the Knicks would already be a contender. You and the rest of the old timers (retired players) need to stop acting like all those teams and players were better. Jordan would not average 40/10/10 today and hold Curry to 15 ppg, Big O would not average a triple double today, Wilt would not average 50 ppg and 25 rpg today, etc. It's just not happening. And while you mention Kerr, would he even be a high-quality NBA player today, when Jimmer can't even make a roster? The game has changed man, players and teams are better and have more depth. Bulls are the one timeless exception that could compete with today's warriors, but you are fooling yourself if you think they would dominate them.

If I could I world ban you for life for that bull****

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Warriors are quickly becoming the greatest team of all time, no question about it. I don't care about how the eras compare. Old school players need to get real about today's basketball. While a lot of us may like the old school style NBA better, bottom line is in 2016 players are simply better. Players from the 70s, 80s, and 90s don't compare to today's players. Today's players are too skilled and athletic. Yes, many of yester-years stars would translate just fine in today's game, but the average rotation player would not. Today the league is faster, more athletic, and has much more depth. The players get better, not worst. GS would run circles around any championship teams from previous decades.

Not true. Not one of these players are as skilled and athletic as Jordan and Pippen in their prime. Maybe Lebron, but you think Curry could get off those ridiculous shots off with Jordan(9 ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAMS AND 1 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR) and Pippen(8 ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAMS, 1 SECOND TEAM) face guarding him all day? These guys were like Draymond Green before Draymond was fashionable. They could guard 3 or 4 positions like an octopus, then punish you on the offensive end. And I won't even bring up Rodman who won back to back defensive player of the year awards in Detroit before leading the league in rebounding for 7 years straight.

Get off your recency bias high horse. Warriors, though great, are a product of their no hand check no breathing on offensive player era.

Just stop. You couldn't be more wrong. Curry is the most skilled player of all time. Jordan, the greatest player of all time and greatest competitor of all time, is not as skilled as Curry. And he certainly could not guard Curry better than the best defenders in today's game. You are telling me that as dominant as Curry is, Jordan would be able to chase him around the perimeter and stop him from getting the stuff that he is getting now? Please. Jordan is the greatest of all time, but not a superhero like that. Curry has opened the game up. Jordan was a great defender, but the game was played 22 feet and in, not 30 feet and in like Curry is playing it today. Curry is faster than Jordan too. The Bulls might be the one team that could give this team problems today beccause Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Harper had a very unique versatility for that era which would translate well today, but in no way is anyone stopping what Curry is doing. He is doing it against better athletes today than existed in the 90s, bottom line. The rules were different, but it doesn't change how good players are today.

LMFAO! You don't think Phil Jackson couldn't devise a scheme to stop that bullshyt with his stable of thoroughbreds. His phucking disciple Kerr played on that 96 team!

No, Phil is not some wizard, he would not think of something that today's coaches can't. If he was, the Knicks would already be a contender. You and the rest of the old timers (retired players) need to stop acting like all those teams and players were better. Jordan would not average 40/10/10 today and hold Curry to 15 ppg, Big O would not average a triple double today, Wilt would not average 50 ppg and 25 rpg today, etc. It's just not happening. And while you mention Kerr, would he even be a high-quality NBA player today, when Jimmer can't even make a roster? The game has changed man, players and teams are better and have more depth. Bulls are the one timeless exception that could compete with today's warriors, but you are fooling yourself if you think they would dominate them.

If I could I world ban you for life for that bull****

Great insight. Let me guess, you think every star from previous era would put up video game numbers in today's league right? It would be too easy for them. They were too big, quick, strong, athletic, skilled, smarter, better trained, mentally tougher, cooler, more swag, better hair, better shorts, better everything than today's players.

ChuckBuck wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The Warriors are a product of this eras rules.... that's why our Knicks were so great in the 90s. They dominated the rules of the time. If our 90s knicks played this golden state team with 90s era rules, knicks would sweep them in s 7 game series. In return this golden state team would likely beat our 90s era knicks in a 7 game due to rules.

I'm an old school cat too so it gives me a tingle watching centers shooting 3s and watching guys dance around the perimeter untouched. That's the way the nba wants to play the game.

One thing that will kill the league for good is outlawing hack a shack. These guys need to learn to shoot free throws. It's one thing is you want to protect the offense player on the perimeter and allow hither scoring games. It's another thing entirely when you start making it easy for big men to sit in the pick and roller all day and not take a single free throw all game. Makes the game so soft.

so biased and so wrong. The warriors sweep the knicks and they probably call it after just 2 games because of the 100 point mercy spread.

How am I bias if I said they would lose? I'm just not going to overstate like you did. Auto correct messed me up anyway. I meant to say they would win in a 7 game series too.... not a sweep though cuz the bodies would hit the floor before that would happen.

People don't seem to understand. There existed smallball and speedball teams in the past. In the 80s I think the Denver Nuggets under Doug Moe used to average 120 points a game. The Warriors in the past had Run TMC. I remember the Phoenix Suns at one point had like a 3 or 4 guard lineup with Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Rex Chapman, and Steve Nash in the 90s.

If these same GS Warriors played the Knicks in the 90s....

There's a good chance Starks would head butt Curry into oblivion, Mason would bear hug Klay into submission, Oak would make Draymond his bitch, then Ewing would scale the Empire State Building and shyt down Kerr's throat.

Actually, that's exactly what would happen.

wow you are missing the boat. Do you know that teams used to put up a lot more points than they do now? And that was without the 3 point line.

Does that mean that they must be playing the same brand of bball?

The nuggets while ahead of their time did not run anything like this. And, the diff in todays game is that they finally realized how efficient 3's are once the dummy's realized that calculating 2's and 3's equally.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The Warriors are a product of this eras rules.... that's why our Knicks were so great in the 90s. They dominated the rules of the time. If our 90s knicks played this golden state team with 90s era rules, knicks would sweep them in s 7 game series. In return this golden state team would likely beat our 90s era knicks in a 7 game due to rules.

I'm an old school cat too so it gives me a tingle watching centers shooting 3s and watching guys dance around the perimeter untouched. That's the way the nba wants to play the game.

One thing that will kill the league for good is outlawing hack a shack. These guys need to learn to shoot free throws. It's one thing is you want to protect the offense player on the perimeter and allow hither scoring games. It's another thing entirely when you start making it easy for big men to sit in the pick and roller all day and not take a single free throw all game. Makes the game so soft.

so biased and so wrong. The warriors sweep the knicks and they probably call it after just 2 games because of the 100 point mercy spread.

How am I bias if I said they would lose? I'm just not going to overstate like you did. Auto correct messed me up anyway. I meant to say they would win in a 7 game series too.... not a sweep though cuz the bodies would hit the floor before that would happen.

People don't seem to understand. There existed smallball and speedball teams in the past. In the 80s I think the Denver Nuggets under Doug Moe used to average 120 points a game. The Warriors in the past had Run TMC. I remember the Phoenix Suns at one point had like a 3 or 4 guard lineup with Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Rex Chapman, and Steve Nash in the 90s.

If these same GS Warriors played the Knicks in the 90s....

There's a good chance Starks would head butt Curry into oblivion, Mason would bear hug Klay into submission, Oak would make Draymond his bitch, then Ewing would scale the Empire State Building and shyt down Kerr's throat.

Actually, that's exactly what would happen.

wow you are missing the boat. Do you know that teams used to put up a lot more points than they do now? And that was without the 3 point line.

Does that mean that they must be playing the same brand of bball?

The nuggets while ahead of their time did not run anything like this. And, the diff in todays game is that they finally realized how efficient 3's are once the dummy's realized that calculating 2's and 3's equally.

The D'Antoni/Nash Phoenix Suns actually ran this same offense for years before Pop then Kerr borrowed it, so it's not anything revolutionary.

Nash won a couple MVP's running this system. Only difference is Curry's incredible 3 point shot making and that they won a championship. Otherwise offensively, we've seen this done in the past before.

Of course seeing the GS Warriors reach 73 is definitely to be applauded and is very much a high point in NBA history. Just don't discount the past teams that have paved the way for the Warriors or other great teams of other eras is all.

your point?

We know that PHX ran it with their decent talent. How'd that work out? Oh right .... THEY LOST! NO RING! CASE CLOSED?

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The Warriors are a product of this eras rules.... that's why our Knicks were so great in the 90s. They dominated the rules of the time. If our 90s knicks played this golden state team with 90s era rules, knicks would sweep them in s 7 game series. In return this golden state team would likely beat our 90s era knicks in a 7 game due to rules.

I'm an old school cat too so it gives me a tingle watching centers shooting 3s and watching guys dance around the perimeter untouched. That's the way the nba wants to play the game.

One thing that will kill the league for good is outlawing hack a shack. These guys need to learn to shoot free throws. It's one thing is you want to protect the offense player on the perimeter and allow hither scoring games. It's another thing entirely when you start making it easy for big men to sit in the pick and roller all day and not take a single free throw all game. Makes the game so soft.

so biased and so wrong. The warriors sweep the knicks and they probably call it after just 2 games because of the 100 point mercy spread.

How am I bias if I said they would lose? I'm just not going to overstate like you did. Auto correct messed me up anyway. I meant to say they would win in a 7 game series too.... not a sweep though cuz the bodies would hit the floor before that would happen.

People don't seem to understand. There existed smallball and speedball teams in the past. In the 80s I think the Denver Nuggets under Doug Moe used to average 120 points a game. The Warriors in the past had Run TMC. I remember the Phoenix Suns at one point had like a 3 or 4 guard lineup with Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Rex Chapman, and Steve Nash in the 90s.

If these same GS Warriors played the Knicks in the 90s....

There's a good chance Starks would head butt Curry into oblivion, Mason would bear hug Klay into submission, Oak would make Draymond his bitch, then Ewing would scale the Empire State Building and shyt down Kerr's throat.

Actually, that's exactly what would happen.

wow you are missing the boat. Do you know that teams used to put up a lot more points than they do now? And that was without the 3 point line.

Does that mean that they must be playing the same brand of bball?

The nuggets while ahead of their time did not run anything like this. And, the diff in todays game is that they finally realized how efficient 3's are once the dummy's realized that calculating 2's and 3's equally.

The D'Antoni/Nash Phoenix Suns actually ran this same offense for years before Pop then Kerr borrowed it, so it's not anything revolutionary.

Nash won a couple MVP's running this system. Only difference is Curry's incredible 3 point shot making and that they won a championship. Otherwise offensively, we've seen this done in the past before.

Of course seeing the GS Warriors reach 73 is definitely to be applauded and is very much a high point in NBA history. Just don't discount the past teams that have paved the way for the Warriors or other great teams of other eras is all.

your point?

We know that PHX ran it with their decent talent. How'd that work out? Oh right .... THEY LOST! NO RING! CASE CLOSED?

Case closed? There would be no GS Warriors without the PHX suns running their offense. Kerr probably would run the triangle.

ok ... your point?

seriously not sure what your are arguing here. You wouldn't be posting if your mother was born a boy.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The Warriors are a product of this eras rules.... that's why our Knicks were so great in the 90s. They dominated the rules of the time. If our 90s knicks played this golden state team with 90s era rules, knicks would sweep them in s 7 game series. In return this golden state team would likely beat our 90s era knicks in a 7 game due to rules.

I'm an old school cat too so it gives me a tingle watching centers shooting 3s and watching guys dance around the perimeter untouched. That's the way the nba wants to play the game.

One thing that will kill the league for good is outlawing hack a shack. These guys need to learn to shoot free throws. It's one thing is you want to protect the offense player on the perimeter and allow hither scoring games. It's another thing entirely when you start making it easy for big men to sit in the pick and roller all day and not take a single free throw all game. Makes the game so soft.

so biased and so wrong. The warriors sweep the knicks and they probably call it after just 2 games because of the 100 point mercy spread.

How am I bias if I said they would lose? I'm just not going to overstate like you did. Auto correct messed me up anyway. I meant to say they would win in a 7 game series too.... not a sweep though cuz the bodies would hit the floor before that would happen.

People don't seem to understand. There existed smallball and speedball teams in the past. In the 80s I think the Denver Nuggets under Doug Moe used to average 120 points a game. The Warriors in the past had Run TMC. I remember the Phoenix Suns at one point had like a 3 or 4 guard lineup with Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Rex Chapman, and Steve Nash in the 90s.

If these same GS Warriors played the Knicks in the 90s....

There's a good chance Starks would head butt Curry into oblivion, Mason would bear hug Klay into submission, Oak would make Draymond his bitch, then Ewing would scale the Empire State Building and shyt down Kerr's throat.

Actually, that's exactly what would happen.

wow you are missing the boat. Do you know that teams used to put up a lot more points than they do now? And that was without the 3 point line.

Does that mean that they must be playing the same brand of bball?

The nuggets while ahead of their time did not run anything like this. And, the diff in todays game is that they finally realized how efficient 3's are once the dummy's realized that calculating 2's and 3's equally.

The D'Antoni/Nash Phoenix Suns actually ran this same offense for years before Pop then Kerr borrowed it, so it's not anything revolutionary.

Nash won a couple MVP's running this system. Only difference is Curry's incredible 3 point shot making and that they won a championship. Otherwise offensively, we've seen this done in the past before.

Of course seeing the GS Warriors reach 73 is definitely to be applauded and is very much a high point in NBA history. Just don't discount the past teams that have paved the way for the Warriors or other great teams of other eras is all.

your point?

We know that PHX ran it with their decent talent. How'd that work out? Oh right .... THEY LOST! NO RING! CASE CLOSED?

Case closed? There would be no GS Warriors without the PHX suns running their offense. Kerr probably would run the triangle.

ok ... your point?

seriously not sure what your are arguing here. You wouldn't be posting if your mother was born a boy.

Huh?

Your point is to crown them GOAT after 1 ring and maybe a 73 win , but my point is the correct one, which is you need a body of work first.

did I crown them after 1 win???? Are we talking about needing to compile rings for GOAT or playing/winning a seven game series?

I don't think that the bulls were GOAT either. I think that this GS team can beat that bulls team but of course that is just my hunch. There is no way to figure that out.

ChuckBuck wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The Warriors are a product of this eras rules.... that's why our Knicks were so great in the 90s. They dominated the rules of the time. If our 90s knicks played this golden state team with 90s era rules, knicks would sweep them in s 7 game series. In return this golden state team would likely beat our 90s era knicks in a 7 game due to rules.

I'm an old school cat too so it gives me a tingle watching centers shooting 3s and watching guys dance around the perimeter untouched. That's the way the nba wants to play the game.

One thing that will kill the league for good is outlawing hack a shack. These guys need to learn to shoot free throws. It's one thing is you want to protect the offense player on the perimeter and allow hither scoring games. It's another thing entirely when you start making it easy for big men to sit in the pick and roller all day and not take a single free throw all game. Makes the game so soft.

so biased and so wrong. The warriors sweep the knicks and they probably call it after just 2 games because of the 100 point mercy spread.

How am I bias if I said they would lose? I'm just not going to overstate like you did. Auto correct messed me up anyway. I meant to say they would win in a 7 game series too.... not a sweep though cuz the bodies would hit the floor before that would happen.

People don't seem to understand. There existed smallball and speedball teams in the past. In the 80s I think the Denver Nuggets under Doug Moe used to average 120 points a game. The Warriors in the past had Run TMC. I remember the Phoenix Suns at one point had like a 3 or 4 guard lineup with Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Rex Chapman, and Steve Nash in the 90s.

If these same GS Warriors played the Knicks in the 90s....

There's a good chance Starks would head butt Curry into oblivion, Mason would bear hug Klay into submission, Oak would make Draymond his bitch, then Ewing would scale the Empire State Building and shyt down Kerr's throat.

Actually, that's exactly what would happen.

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GustavBahler wrote:Curry will go down as one of the greatest ever. My problem with some of the praise is Curry leapfrogging in the media, and the message boards, almost everyone that ever played. Yes, I know the numbers.

A lot of HOFers are saying that he isn't being guarded closely enough and I agree. Watch almost any GS game and watch how many times Curry is given a good 5-6 feet to operate, 5-6 feet of breathing room when he doesnt have the ball.

You have to suffocate Curry, get inside his head. When he's standing still, you stand as close to him as you can without getting called. You dont let him stand anywhere on the court freely for long unless its absolutely necessary. Ive seen Curry get rattled when players were in his grill for a stretch. I understand that he can put it on the floor, but I would rather he did that and run into some help than shooting what is for Curry a free throw, almost anywhere on the court.

I would also run a lot of P&R at the same time, make him collide into one hard pick after another. Wear him out physically and mentally on both sides of the court. Thats the only way I see to get him off his game. I havent seen this approach to defending Curry with any consistency.