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There might be a changing of the guards soon (Wroten/Mccullom)
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reub
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3/4/2016  12:01 PM
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Sleeper pick


I watched the game and although Trice is a nice player his shooting was terrible. Even his foul shooting. He also isn't very strong and gets pushed around easily.
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3/4/2016  2:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2016  2:44 PM
I'm starting to wonder a little about Wroten's injury--why he hasn't played anywhere, why the Knicks, though interested for a couple of months now, haven't made a move on him. Per Wikipedia, here's his chronology from the injury up to getting cut by Sixers (I had to look up, wasn't sure):

On January 23, 2015, he was ruled out for the rest of the 2014–15 season after undergoing surgery on a partially torn ACL in his right knee. He was averaging career-highs in points (16.9), assists (5.2) and steals (1.6) prior to the injury.

On November 11, 2015, Wroten was assigned to the Delaware 87ers of the NBA Development League, sent there to practice as part of his return to play protocol. He was recalled by the 76ers on December 4, using the month-long stint to rehabilitate his ACL tear. He did not appear in a game for Delaware. The following day, he returned to action for the 76ers, playing in his first game for the team since injuring his right knee on January 13. He had four points in 13 minutes against the Denver Nuggets. On December 24, 2015, Wroten was waived by the 76ers.

Ok, so assigned to the DL (11/11/15 - 12/4/15) about 10 months post-surgery and never got in a game. Made it back to the NBA 12/5/15, put up poor numbers in about 11 games before being cut. Hasn't played anywhere since. I'm not even sure we worked him out--only heard "we had interest" going back 2 months now and we "meet with him recently." That's it. Strange... I mean what's up with this dude? Can he still play or what? Looks like Philly didn't think so--they cut him to add Ish Smith. Why didn't he get at least a couple of DL games under his belt before being recalled? Why no DL assignment since to prove to everyone he can still play at a competitive level? I dunno, man. Comes off like he's hiding something, no? May not be the same player. This might be what the hold up with the Knicks is all about.

Gonna try to take a look at some video of the games he did play for Philly this season before being cut to get a feel for what he can still do.

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3/4/2016  2:49 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that with the circus the Knicks have become - their inability to win games, the uncertain coaching situation and even questions about whether Phil will bolt or not or if Melo will waive his NTC are affecting the Knicks ability to sign any FA's?

What if the only the signing we can manage at this point is another 10 day for Jimmer?

It's gotten late early in NY for the orange and blue. How did everything become so unhinged so quickly?

The only thing I like about this team right now is Melo being honest and un-afraid to speak his mind. It is refreshing, and yet, depressing at the same time.

Carmelo Anthony said it is hard for him to watch his good friends head to the NBA playoffs again while he and his Knicks likely will miss the playoffs for the third straight year. “I don’t think envy is kind of the right word,” Anthony said. “I do look at my peers and say, ‘Damn, what am I doing wrong? I should be there.’ There was one point in time where they were looking at me like that. Made [the playoffs] 10, 11 years straight. Right now it’s kind of a rough patch for me. I’m trying to figure out a way to get out of it.” It was not clear if Anthony meant he was trying to figure out a way out of the rough patch or his time with the Knicks. Anthony, who has a no-trade clause, said last month he is committed to the Knicks. – via Newsday

“It’s been trying. For me to remain the same, remain positive throughout this whole situation, it’s definitely challenging from that standpoint. It is a test to me to see if I could get through this and stay strong throughout this situation, this whole process. So it has been challenging from that standpoint,” Anthony said. – via Newsday

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3/4/2016  5:12 PM
blkexec wrote:
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
fishmike wrote:
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I wonder why NY does not bring in one of these guys, what is there to lose? I agree that the chances of another Lin are small but what the heck! I would emphasize defensive, good driver and good shooter and bring in 2 D-League guards, now. 1 PG and 1 SG. Have them start the next game and learn on the fly.

Calderon, buy out and stretch.
AA - make his life miserable so he doesnt re-up.
Gallo\Grant - may get re-inspired - they would be the backups.

This happens when you have an organization run by forwards (phil and kurt) plus a triangle system that values forwards over guard talent

Yea but when the org was run by a tough defensive HOF PG what happened? We loaded up on crappy and soft bigs. Marbury trade aside...

Thats why you need diversity in management....we rarely have any balance during the Dolan era. All of his moves are motivated by team value, business sales and marketing......Boston is doing it the right way. And winning is the best way to sell your service. Phil needs a person on his staff like Isiah who has the scouting talent for dynamic guards....I wonder who on Phils staff saw greatness in MJ and Kobe? Or did they just land on his lap like KP did?

wow... totally unfair. After you play the game of your life whats your thought when I shrug it off and say you hit some lucky shots? As a player hows that make you feel? Picking KP took the kind of balls no other GM has shown here. Knock Phil all you want, I have no beef there but don't poopoo the KP pick, that's not being fair at all.

Just my opinion....but I don't think Phil wanted KP.....He wanted Towns and OK4. Thats why I said KP landed on his lap. I believe Phil would've took any of the top 3 picks ahead of KP, which is why I said Phil got lucky with KP. But what really messed up Phil was having a free agency period before the draft. Phil wouldn't have spent so much money on forwards and centers, if he had KP on his roster. So one of those forwards (Seraphin?) would've been a guard instead, which may have brought some balance.

So I'm not trying to "poopoo" the KP pick, and I really don't know what that means. But I am saying based on how Phil has built this team, he needs more diversity in his staff. Too many yes men, triangle type staff members behind him, with tunnel vision. And yes, I think he lucked up on KP, and would've taken OK4 instead, who can't even find time on a sixers team. Russell would've been is other option, who just became relevant by scoring 39 pts. Phil lucked up on KP, who could turn out to be the most stable pick of the draft and best two way player.

i know for a fact that phil wanted to draft WCS and sign Monroe to play next to him. However it was Mills and his crew who convinced him about KP. i told you that my friend works for mills but no one believes me lol. so i decided not to tell anymore stories about phil, mills, isiah and dolan. again, between Finestrg, BRIGGS, RonRon and others on here - im TELLING you we could run a better organization. lol. lets just say there are too many alpha personalities in the room - (including mills - who is a genius which no one talks about).

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/4/2016  5:27 PM
callmened wrote:
blkexec wrote:
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I wonder why NY does not bring in one of these guys, what is there to lose? I agree that the chances of another Lin are small but what the heck! I would emphasize defensive, good driver and good shooter and bring in 2 D-League guards, now. 1 PG and 1 SG. Have them start the next game and learn on the fly.

Calderon, buy out and stretch.
AA - make his life miserable so he doesnt re-up.
Gallo\Grant - may get re-inspired - they would be the backups.

This happens when you have an organization run by forwards (phil and kurt) plus a triangle system that values forwards over guard talent

Yea but when the org was run by a tough defensive HOF PG what happened? We loaded up on crappy and soft bigs. Marbury trade aside...

Thats why you need diversity in management....we rarely have any balance during the Dolan era. All of his moves are motivated by team value, business sales and marketing......Boston is doing it the right way. And winning is the best way to sell your service. Phil needs a person on his staff like Isiah who has the scouting talent for dynamic guards....I wonder who on Phils staff saw greatness in MJ and Kobe? Or did they just land on his lap like KP did?

wow... totally unfair. After you play the game of your life whats your thought when I shrug it off and say you hit some lucky shots? As a player hows that make you feel? Picking KP took the kind of balls no other GM has shown here. Knock Phil all you want, I have no beef there but don't poopoo the KP pick, that's not being fair at all.

Just my opinion....but I don't think Phil wanted KP.....He wanted Towns and OK4. Thats why I said KP landed on his lap. I believe Phil would've took any of the top 3 picks ahead of KP, which is why I said Phil got lucky with KP. But what really messed up Phil was having a free agency period before the draft. Phil wouldn't have spent so much money on forwards and centers, if he had KP on his roster. So one of those forwards (Seraphin?) would've been a guard instead, which may have brought some balance.

So I'm not trying to "poopoo" the KP pick, and I really don't know what that means. But I am saying based on how Phil has built this team, he needs more diversity in his staff. Too many yes men, triangle type staff members behind him, with tunnel vision. And yes, I think he lucked up on KP, and would've taken OK4 instead, who can't even find time on a sixers team. Russell would've been is other option, who just became relevant by scoring 39 pts. Phil lucked up on KP, who could turn out to be the most stable pick of the draft and best two way player.

i know for a fact that phil wanted to draft WCS and sign Monroe to play next to him. However it was Mills and his crew who convinced him about KP. i told you that my friend works for mills but no one believes me lol. so i decided not to tell anymore stories about phil, mills, isiah and dolan. again, between Finestrg, BRIGGS, RonRon and others on here - im TELLING you we could run a better organization. lol. lets just say there are too many alpha personalities in the room - (including mills - who is a genius which no one talks about).

Don't let a few foolish skeptics derail your passing of info, I'll take it and enjoy reading the tidbits. Pass them along my man!

How do you balance the fact that Phil's top scout highly recommended KP with all of what you just said about Mills and his need to convince Phil about KP?

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3/4/2016  5:40 PM
well apparently Dolan is PISSED off! lol. so he plans to be around the office more often. everyone is kinda laughing at this because hes such a nice guy so its hard to take him seriously when hes mad. at the same time, now everyone is afraid to talk since hes around he might fire them. NO ONE says anything bad about the knicks via email, phone if theyre connected to MSG WIFI (yes youre damn right dolan monitors everything). lol

Phil - 1000% committed and not leaving anywhere (now its a pride thing)
Fisher - wanted to do things HIS way, not phil's way
Rambis - is like a son or nephew to phil; their families are close (i wont be shocked if he remains coach next yr). all this talk about thibs and other coaches is nice but its rambis' job to lose. Mills is an outside the box thinker (he should be praised for that porzingus pick) but hes a quiet and nice company guy who wont cause trouble - hes hoping his princeton buddy coach blatt gets a shot at coaching.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
There might be a changing of the guards soon (Wroten/Mccullom)

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