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I thought I'd give Phil Jackson the offseason to prove himself, but after this I'm not too sure
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ChuckBuck
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2/29/2016  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2016  12:03 PM
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Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

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2/29/2016  12:01 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
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newyorker4ever wrote:H.Beck puts out a tweet saying Phil is sitting back and laughing about how people are taking his tweets.

http://b.bm324.com/t/l?ssid=10573&subscriber_id=bqfkvfrvyaslxvuhknxlowtgvfstbpj&delivery_id=azbcrljhrbulqlcuutmmktvrputxbeo&td=cFoiMddbPxPxnfd51V2i0gEo53iifUkwfUbEzWRdKLC3IJclXWbjKfmzWagsEdK5ZmPJyxHE6bcfGL1oN6_P0dYsoifYXxmu6__WLqev6XJsVtyYSfjGTZt_kTN1sxcB-MOmsoV4ByyVa7ldkI_6IWbPXgmHTkVkmyBTBmN4KGR3TslPxUIi6MiDex3Lz_xyX_uAjf_p4c2LXF_LIbC-bFIXy8wpGDj_44UYiegQf2ZdrbU3iJEh2_UkYMFqKJnKK3OwhsNkSsXvk

I think this is the sort of mind game he would play heading into a game against opposing players as a coach. He would use the media to get out the message he wanted. It was oddly effective. And annoying back then. Randomly tweeting potshots at a superstar because he feels threatened by the Warriors success? I don't see what the point is, other than to try to get in Steph's or the Warrior's head and make them miss out on breaking Phil's record.


He also explained his first tweet about the comparison with what he really meant in another tweet.

Right, when he embarrassed himself and said the comparison wasn't a comparison. How's that goink.

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2/29/2016  12:11 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

Honest question...you say "several free agents", i only remember Rondo saying something about the triangle. Who else has mentioned it specifically that is an upcoming free agent?

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2/29/2016  12:12 PM
Knixkik wrote:
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Knixkik wrote:
Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

Honest question...you say "several free agents", i only remember Rondo saying something about the triangle. Who else has mentioned it specifically that is an upcoming free agent?

We heard last summer that a few guys were not interested in the Triangle. I honestly don't remember who, but those were the whispers last summer.

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2/29/2016  12:17 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

Honest question...you say "several free agents", i only remember Rondo saying something about the triangle. Who else has mentioned it specifically that is an upcoming free agent?

We heard last summer that a few guys were not interested in the Triangle. I honestly don't remember who, but those were the whispers last summer.

I am just curious if Chuck can name these "several free agents". He has produced a ton of false information to support his claims recently on a variety of topics, which i have called him out for several times and he did not respond to. I won't say this is one of those times, i will give him the benefit of the doubt until he responds. I only remember Rondo saying something, i would like to know what other upcoming free agents said something about the triangle.

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2/29/2016  1:11 PM
Not sure why many of you are certain you understand what Phil is trying to say... they're not similar in height, speed or caliber of player. Clearly Curry is an MVP whereas MAR was a very good player for 4-5 years in the mid-90s. But if you watched MAR (I did as I spent some time in Denver in the 90s), it's very comparable and/or reflective to see a player from 20 years ago pulling up for long 3s off the dribble, with a great handle and ability to get his shot off despite defenses focusing on him. I've watched MAR pull up from 30, hit multiple 3pters in a row, clutch shots etc... So while MAR never came close to achieving what Curry is doing, it's strange why so many people are taking issue with Phil reflecting back to another great shooter who played a similar style. Maybe he is annoyed at Kerr, jealous of the record being broken... or maybe he's trying to say, "I've kinda seen something like this before."

But no doubt, Curry is taking things to an unprecedented level. From a fan perspective, Curry's performances remind me of how fans felt in the early 90s when Jordan was showing such a killer instinct and rising above all these other great players (Barkley, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Olajuwon). Don't remember getting that excited watching a player in today's current day, as his skill set and determination are remarkable. And the fact that he doesn't rely on athletic ability or speed suggests he should be able to perform at this level for years to come.

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2/29/2016  1:31 PM
Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

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2/29/2016  1:37 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

You still under the hot garbage delusion that Phil was saying that Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Curry are comparatively equal? Or perhaps there is some wiggle room there that each has some similar traits?

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2/29/2016  1:49 PM
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ChuckBuck wrote:Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

You still under the hot garbage delusion that Phil was saying that Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Curry are comparatively equal? Or perhaps there is some wiggle room there that each has some similar traits?

You know what's even sadder, is Abdul-Rauf was a very decent player. Now he's being brought back into the public spotlight for all the wrong reasons for Phil's unnecessary tweet.

Just like when Phil brought negative shine on Shawn Bradley's career to compare to Porzingis, even though he was a really good shot blocker, just not the gifted freak KP6 is.

That's the whole point of this thread...why bring these things up at all? All he does is shyt on players and teams on twitter. He should take a step back off that high horse once in awhile.

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2/29/2016  1:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2016  1:56 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
martin wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

You still under the hot garbage delusion that Phil was saying that Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Curry are comparatively equal? Or perhaps there is some wiggle room there that each has some similar traits?

You know what's even sadder, is Abdul-Rauf was a very decent player. Now he's being brought back into the public spotlight for all the wrong reasons for Phil's unnecessary tweet.

Just like when Phil brought negative shine on Shawn Bradley's career to compare to Porzingis, even though he was a really good shot blocker, just not the gifted freak KP6 is.

That's the whole point of this thread...why bring these things up at all? All he does is shyt on players and teams on twitter. He should take a step back off that high horse once in awhile.

Hey Chuck, still waiting for you to list these "several free agents" who spoke ill of the traingle, besides Rondo. Or are you just going to ignore it every time you get called out for posting lies and exaggerations?

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2/29/2016  2:00 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Not sure why many of you are certain you understand what Phil is trying to say... they're not similar in height, speed or caliber of player. Clearly Curry is an MVP whereas MAR was a very good player for 4-5 years in the mid-90s. But if you watched MAR (I did as I spent some time in Denver in the 90s), it's very comparable and/or reflective to see a player from 20 years ago pulling up for long 3s off the dribble, with a great handle and ability to get his shot off despite defenses focusing on him. I've watched MAR pull up from 30, hit multiple 3pters in a row, clutch shots etc... So while MAR never came close to achieving what Curry is doing, it's strange why so many people are taking issue with Phil reflecting back to another great shooter who played a similar style. Maybe he is annoyed at Kerr, jealous of the record being broken... or maybe he's trying to say, "I've kinda seen something like this before."

But no doubt, Curry is taking things to an unprecedented level. From a fan perspective, Curry's performances remind me of how fans felt in the early 90s when Jordan was showing such a killer instinct and rising above all these other great players (Barkley, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Olajuwon). Don't remember getting that excited watching a player in today's current day, as his skill set and determination are remarkable. And the fact that he doesn't rely on athletic ability or speed suggests he should be able to perform at this level for years to come.

Its interesting, when Phil brought up this comparison, i actually felt like i had heard that before. Sure enough, MAR is listed as the comparison from Curry's draft prospect profile on nbadraft.net. It doesn't mean anything, but just proof that stylistically this isn't the first time they have been compared. As far as on the court performance, there is no comparison. But as Phil clarified, he is referring more to style than substance.

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2/29/2016  2:00 PM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
martin wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

You still under the hot garbage delusion that Phil was saying that Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Curry are comparatively equal? Or perhaps there is some wiggle room there that each has some similar traits?

You know what's even sadder, is Abdul-Rauf was a very decent player. Now he's being brought back into the public spotlight for all the wrong reasons for Phil's unnecessary tweet.

Just like when Phil brought negative shine on Shawn Bradley's career to compare to Porzingis, even though he was a really good shot blocker, just not the gifted freak KP6 is.

That's the whole point of this thread...why bring these things up at all? All he does is shyt on players and teams on twitter. He should take a step back off that high horse once in awhile.

Hey Chuck, still waiting for you to list these "several free agents" who spoke ill of the traingle, besides Rondo. Or are you just going to ignore it every time you get called out for posting lies and exaggerations?

Stay on topic.

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2/29/2016  2:06 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
martin wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

You still under the hot garbage delusion that Phil was saying that Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Curry are comparatively equal? Or perhaps there is some wiggle room there that each has some similar traits?

You know what's even sadder, is Abdul-Rauf was a very decent player. Now he's being brought back into the public spotlight for all the wrong reasons for Phil's unnecessary tweet.

Just like when Phil brought negative shine on Shawn Bradley's career to compare to Porzingis, even though he was a really good shot blocker, just not the gifted freak KP6 is.

That's the whole point of this thread...why bring these things up at all? All he does is shyt on players and teams on twitter. He should take a step back off that high horse once in awhile.

Hey Chuck, still waiting for you to list these "several free agents" who spoke ill of the traingle, besides Rondo. Or are you just going to ignore it every time you get called out for posting lies and exaggerations?

Stay on topic.

Thank you for acknowledging.

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2/29/2016  2:15 PM
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Knixkik wrote:
Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

You do understand that we're in the middle of a rebuild right?? Phil walked into a horrible situation and hasn't had any assets to do anything with because that's the situation he came into. A rebuild takes time. Last year was the first year where he got rid of every bad contract he was able to and this year was the start of adding players with the limited amount of money he had to get players with which is why he had to sign guys like A.Afflalo and D.Williams and R.Lopez, cause those were what he could afford with needing so many pieces. I've been knowing he would need a good 3/4 years to get a real team together and i look at this year as his first year of building so in two years i expect to see a team that can not only make the playoffs but make a run in the playoffs.

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2/29/2016  2:16 PM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

Honest question...you say "several free agents", i only remember Rondo saying something about the triangle. Who else has mentioned it specifically that is an upcoming free agent?

Yeah i waqs wondering that myself. Lets see if ole Chucky can come up with a real answer on that one.

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2/29/2016  2:18 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
martin wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Hmm Phil, don't see Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on this list:

Must be a typo like Goink. Remember people that the 3 point line was shortened to 22 feet from the current 23'9 that it is now during Abdul-Rauf's prime(1994-1997), yet he still failed to leave a mark in NBA history. They restored it back to 23 feet 9 inches for the 1997-1998 season.

You still under the hot garbage delusion that Phil was saying that Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Curry are comparatively equal? Or perhaps there is some wiggle room there that each has some similar traits?

You know what's even sadder, is Abdul-Rauf was a very decent player. Now he's being brought back into the public spotlight for all the wrong reasons for Phil's unnecessary tweet.

Just like when Phil brought negative shine on Shawn Bradley's career to compare to Porzingis, even though he was a really good shot blocker, just not the gifted freak KP6 is.

That's the whole point of this thread...why bring these things up at all? All he does is shyt on players and teams on twitter. He should take a step back off that high horse once in awhile.

Hey Chuck, still waiting for you to list these "several free agents" who spoke ill of the traingle, besides Rondo. Or are you just going to ignore it every time you get called out for posting lies and exaggerations?

Stay on topic.

You have won the contest for the fakest Knicks fan. Good job Chucky.

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2/29/2016  2:21 PM
Even stylistically, it's not the same. Curry has one of the best handles...of all time and he worked on himself to get to that point. In Davidson he was more of a 2 or a combo guard with limited dribbling skill and creation for others, but he worked on his craft to be the dual threat he is today.

Comparing Steph to Chris would be a disservice to all the work Steph put in to get to this point.

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Nothing dumber than when people go along with the media's trick of deliberately misconstruing someones comments, and then provoke outrage at what they pretended they said.
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2/29/2016  3:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2016  3:26 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Funny, we were .500 a few weeks back and things were so "great." Now we lose some games and things are bleak. Did you think we were going to win 45 games this year? The vegas odds and espn odds had us winning 25-30 games. Our future is bright because we have a cornerstone player who is 20, all of our draft picks are in our possession after this season, and cap space will be available each summer from here on out. You made an absolute fool of yourself comparing our situation to brooklyn, comparing Melo to Stoudemire, and many other things. You should stop while you aren't too much further behind, if thats possible.

No draft pick this year, no head coach, Jackson will only pick from the triangle tree, several free agents have already balked at the triangle, many other teams have the same amount of cap space or more than the Knicks...

It's bleak, man. No lollipops, rainbows, or ray of sunshine until the June 2017 draft.

Honest question...you say "several free agents", i only remember Rondo saying something about the triangle. Who else has mentioned it specifically that is an upcoming free agent?

Yeah i waqs wondering that myself. Lets see if ole Chucky can come up with a real answer on that one.


He has done something to this effect in all of his arguments. He argued Melo is injury prone and sighting his games played the last 5 years as proof of this. He stated Melo has only played in 2/3 of his possible games, when in fact he has played in just over 80%. He also just claimed Melo's overall stats declined this year when he is averaging career high in assist and near career high in Rebounds (despite playing less minutes). This is just over the passed few days. His track record is poor.
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2/29/2016  3:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2016  3:45 PM
Phil is right tho. Curry and Mahmoud have the same basketball style mannerisms.
I thought I'd give Phil Jackson the offseason to prove himself, but after this I'm not too sure

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