NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

wargames wrote:

VCoug wrote:

dacash wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Melo and either Lance or Lou to Cleveland

Love to Boston

Knicks get David Lee (huge expiring), Mozgov (expiring),Marcus Smart, a #1 pick from Boston and a second rounder from Cleveland.

That works for me!

Yep! This trade makes a ton of sense. I wonder if we'd be able to flip Mozgov or Lee to another team that needs front court help.

if mozgov is the back up we can trade seraphin and/or koq for back court help or more second round pick

We'd get a better return if we traded Mozgov and he's a free agent this Summer. I would imagine he'll be more interested in signing somewhere he can start.

The Celtics were going to trade 4 1st rounders to move up for Frank Kaminsky. It's gonna be at least 3 for this, probably 5 considering their getting a star and shedding Lee...

I'm looking at the picks Boston and Cleveland have available to trade :http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

I think at a minimum here's what I'm asking for. Here's what I'm asking for from Boston: Brooklyn's 2016 1st, Minnesota's protected 2016 1st (will end up being two 2nds), and either Dallas' 2016 1st, one of the other two Brooklyn 1st, or Memphis' protected 2018 1st. From Cleveland I want to get the 2019 2nd that either LA or MN owes them and a future 1st. Don't really care about any players coming back to us other than Smart or Crowder but I'd sacrifice them for more 1st rounders and I'm including whatever other players Cleveland or Boston want other than KP obviously. Would prefer to keep Jerian Grant even though he hasn't shown much of anything.

I'm right there with your thinking about the picks but highly doubt the Celtics would give up pivotal players in their rotation, other than Jared Sullinger. Why would they want to tamper with the group that produced the 3rd best record in the East and the 6th best record in the league since they got Isiah Thomas? I suspect that whatever contracts we get in return would be attached to David Lee and recent players they drafted/acquired who are on the periphery i.e. Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter, James Young, Tyler Zeller, Jordan Mickey, with Kelly Olynk being included in a seperate deal for a rim protector. With the number of picks they have, they can more than supplement value that those contracts do no offer.

I also highly doubt that Timofey is included in the deal to us. The Cavs and Celtics both need rim protectors, which Mozgov offers whereas we already have ours in Lopez....who I wouldn't be surprised to see included in the deal.

But I'd be totally on board for this deal though I doubt Melo agrees to go to Cleveland, even with LeBron.

You can think the celts are in a position of strength or you can flip it around and question that

They already have a full roster. Eg rozier last years #1 has barely played. Smart is coming off the bench. What are they going to do w all of those picks? This isn't the Nfl. If they don't trade them for players or future picks they're screwed.

It's a matter of playing this hand right. This will be important for Phil to get right

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Knicks1969 wrote:Isola is FOS

What is a FOS? Fish of ****?

Full of ****.

The concern would be that the Knicks would now be going all in with Porzingis and this draft pick as the 2 main core pieces the team is built around. It could be something worthwhile if either (or both) became top 20 players in the league, but it's not a given either or both can get there. I love KP, and think he can get to that level, but you never know for sure.

There's risk, but when you look at Melo's contract, age and the Knicks immediate future, they do not have a championship contender on the horizon. Melo deserves to get a chance to win, and NY deserves to get a chance to try and truly re-build for the first time in decades. Just think what would have happened had Melo been healthier last season. We may have won something like 25 games, and wound up drafting a 7th or 8th pick in the draft. Look those guys aren't bad, but it's a far cry from having a Porzingis vs having a Kaminsky or Johnson or Winslow. So long as the Knicks have Melo and he plays 70 games a year, they'll be neither good enough to be a contender nor bad enough to truly re-build via the draft and capspace.

The bigger point in this isn't that I think Melo is gone by trade deadline. I think this shows that his time is coming up. That Phil is fully on board with making a complete overhaul. The only remaining piece from the previous tenure was Melo, and it seems like he's going to be traded sooner or later.

One has to wonder if Jackson even thinks adding a Mike Conley to the team they have today will even get them past Cleveland, Golden State or San Antonio. I think Phil's goals aren't just playoffs. He wants to give his team a shot at having enough talent to win a championship in a few years. Tough call, but I've been in support of a Melo trade for a while. I wish it weren't like this, but with his salary and the way the team is set up, looks awfully tough for us to contend for a championship within the next 2 seasons.

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WaltLongmire wrote:

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WaltLongmire wrote:Intriguing stuff...my gut feeling is that there is a ring of truth to it.

This has Lebron's fingerprints on it, IMO.

Have to figure he is desperate to win another title, and doesn't think Love can help him get it. The losses to GS were wake-up calls, no doubt.

He's great friends with Carmelo, and you figure he threw the idea out to Melo after Fisher got canned. James gets a player he trusts and respects, while Anthony can be the great complimentary player that he is when on our National teams.

Celtics have a pretty good group of players, and they seem to believe that Love can still be a valuable player.

I'd want Brooklyn's pick and a #1 for the next draft, and some of their 2nd round picks. I assume that we would also have to take back some contracts...No?

This trade sounds plausible, and it sounds like it centers around GS' greatness, James not loving Love, and Anthony's desperation with his situation.

To dismiss this rumor outright would be foolish.

I doubt we are getting the Nets pick. I bet its Cleveland's future late 1st rd picks. The best we can hope for is that they are unprotected. Maybe some Boston picks but not this years first when they have a shot at Simmons. I'm fine either way. This is about hitting the reset button and doing it in a realistic manor. I'm sure people thought we'd get more than the 60th pick in 2019 for Shumpert & JR too

The payoff in that trade was getting rid of Smith, who could have been playing with us this year if he had not been traded.

Cavs gave up two 1st rounders for Mosgov, because they were desperate for a center...

Cavs gave up the top pick in the draft and more for Love, who they though they needed.

We got a #19 for Hardaway, because Atlanta believed he could be important for their future.

If this trade rumor is true, The Cavs (a.k.a. Lebron) clearly believe they are a player away (Love) from being able to defeat GS (or SA) IN THE FINALS, and the Celtics believe that Love might allow them to take the next step in the EC.

Cleveland and the Celtics are the teams in need...we would be the facilitator in this 3 way, and we would be giving up our "star," a player we signed to a big contract instead of looking at other players in FA.

We would look like fools if we took back late Cleveland #1 picks, which were probably given up for Mosgov, anyway, so are not available.

Seems to me that we are the ones needed to make this trade go...so we should we benefit. Cavs in a win now mode, and we have what they want...and Boston seems to believe that the Cavs have what they need. We should get as much as we can if this is the case.

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That pic right there is my biggest reason why i don't want Melo to go. I would love to see what Melo and KP could do if they got a 3rd star to play with them and although i'm down with a Melo trade if we had assurance from a 3rd star that he wants to come to New York to play with Melo and KP then that alone would change my mind cause i'd much rather Melo stay with a real team then see him go but if we can't get that 3rd star then i'm fine with a Melo trade and building this team up around KP.

I agree.

It's just that for the first time, if someone makes the case for trading Melo my response isn't "STFU", it's more like "yeah, it kinda makes sense."

But god bless the dude if he wants to stay and build something here.

Sounds like he does for now:

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NardDogNation wrote:I see something like this plus 4 first round picks from Boston to us, happening.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h8rvoes

Ummmmmmmmm no thanks. That's a horrible trade and taking on 3 years of Varajo......no thanks again.

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Intriguing stuff...my gut feeling is that there is a ring of truth to it.

This has Lebron's fingerprints on it, IMO.

Have to figure he is desperate to win another title, and doesn't think Love can help him get it. The losses to GS were wake-up calls, no doubt.

He's great friends with Carmelo, and you figure he threw the idea out to Melo after Fisher got canned. James gets a player he trusts and respects, while Anthony can be the great complimentary player that he is when on our National teams.

Celtics have a pretty good group of players, and they seem to believe that Love can still be a valuable player.

I'd want Brooklyn's pick and a #1 for the next draft, and some of their 2nd round picks. I assume that we would also have to take back some contracts...No?

This trade sounds plausible, and it sounds like it centers around GS' greatness, James not loving Love, and Anthony's desperation with his situation.

To dismiss this rumor outright would be foolish.

I doubt we are getting the Nets pick. I bet its Cleveland's future late 1st rd picks. The best we can hope for is that they are unprotected. Maybe some Boston picks but not this years first when they have a shot at Simmons. I'm fine either way. This is about hitting the reset button and doing it in a realistic manor. I'm sure people thought we'd get more than the 60th pick in 2019 for Shumpert & JR too

The payoff in that trade was getting rid of Smith, who could have been playing with us this year if he had not been traded.

Cavs gave up two 1st rounders for Mosgov, because they were desperate for a center...

Cavs gave up the top pick in the draft and more for Love, who they though they needed.

We got a #19 for Hardaway, because Atlanta believed he could be important for their future.

If this trade rumor is true, The Cavs (a.k.a. Lebron) clearly believe they are a player away (Love) from being able to defeat GS (or SA) IN THE FINALS, and the Celtics believe that Love might allow them to take the next step in the EC.

Cleveland and the Celtics are the teams in need...we would be the facilitator in this 3 way, and we would be giving up our "star," a player we signed to a big contract instead of looking at other players in FA.

We would look like fools if we took back late Cleveland #1 picks, which were probably given up for Mosgov, anyway, so are not available.

Seems to me that we are the ones needed to make this trade go...so we should we benefit. Cavs in a win now mode, and we have what they want...and Boston seems to believe that the Cavs have what they need. We should get as much as we can if this is the case.

Would you give up lottery picks for a guy who is 32 and missed a boatload of games the past 2yrs with with bad knees? Sure I'd love that Nets pick and some but usually it's only the Knicks who give up lottery picks for damaged goods. Wiggins for Love was a huge mistake by Lebron & Cleveland but at least it was justified as Love was only 25 & putting up 20 & 12.

Cleveland and GM Lebron ever been good at at targeting players in trades and free agency. They've been bailed out by the draft. In this case Cleveland can benefit from adding this version of Olympic Melo without losing significant picks so this is very intriguing for all sides. Not 100% sold on Boston having interest in Love but they do have a boatload of picks and are the one team that can take him on. So hopefully we we can get the Nets pick or any other lottery picks they acquired. However if it came down to only getting a few of their own picks in the 15 range, 2nd rd pick from them and Cleveland I would still do the deal. We may not draft KP's running mate unless we get lucky but we will have ample cap space and KP to attrack significant FA's